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snood
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:16 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

What could possibly be wrong with offering to buy something?


Because it’s ridiculous- tantamount to offering to buy the Indian Ocean. Makes him an even bigger laughingstock and gives fuel to anyone who doubts his mental acuity.

The fact that you can’t see it is a commentary on yours...
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:17 am
@oralloy,
Because it has absolutely no bearing on the status of the United States. It's another slight of hand move, something to grab attention. There's no aim to this, zig-zagging around to nothingness.

And you're buying into this. I just don't get it. Why?
izzythepush
 
  0  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:21 am
@neptuneblue,
How will they sell it to the citizens? You can have a **** healthcare that you have to pay through the nose for, chicken soaked in bleach plus 250 carcinogenic food additives and GM crops that have not been properly tested.

The NRA will murder your children, and anyone else who is out shopping or just minding their own business.

One last thing, you know when you go on holiday and when people find out you're Danish, they're really nice? Well that's not going to happen any more.

Who wouldn't want that?
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snood
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:22 am
@neptuneblue,
You don’t get it? What antic of Trump does Oralloy not buy into?
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:23 am
@oralloy,
do the Greenlanders get a say in this And WTF is he thinking of doing with a country-wide glacier the global warming he doesn't believe in is melting?
hightor
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 07:38 am
With Trump as President, the World Is Spiraling Into Chaos

Trump torched America’s foreign policy infrastructure. The results are becoming clear.

Quote:
Earlier this week, Pakistan’s ambassador to the United States, Asad Majeed Khan, visited The New York Times editorial board, and I asked him about the threat of armed conflict between his country and India over Kashmir. India and Pakistan have already fought two wars over the Himalayan territory, which both countries claim, and which is mostly divided between them. India recently revoked the constitutionally guaranteed autonomy of the part of Kashmir it controls and put nearly seven million people there under virtual house arrest. Pakistan’s prime minister compared India’s leaders to Nazis and warned that they’ll target Pakistan next. It seems like there’s potential for humanitarian and geopolitical horror.

Khan’s answer was not comforting. “We are two big countries with very large militaries with nuclear capability and a history of conflict,” he said. “So I would not like to burden your imagination on that one, but obviously if things get worse, then things get worse.”

All over the world, things are getting worse. China appears to be weighing a Tiananmen Square-like crackdown in Hong Kong. After I spoke to Khan, hostilities between India and Pakistan ratcheted up further; on Thursday, fighting across the border in Kashmir left three Pakistani soldiers dead. (Pakistan also claimed that five Indian soldiers were killed, but India denied it.) Turkey is threatening to invade Northeast Syria to go after America’s Kurdish allies there, and it’s not clear if an American agreement meant to prevent such an incursion will hold.

North Korea’s nuclear program and ballistic missile testing continue apace. The prospect of a two-state solution in Israel and Palestine is more remote than it’s been in decades. Tensions between America and Iran keep escalating. Relations between Japan and South Korea have broken down. A Pentagon report warns that ISIS is “re-surging” in Syria. The U.K. could see food shortages if the country’s Trumpish prime minister, Boris Johnson, follows through on his promise to crash out of the European Union without an agreement in place for the aftermath. Oh, and the globe may be lurching towards recession.

In a world spiraling towards chaos, we can begin to see the fruits of Donald Trump’s erratic, amoral and incompetent foreign policy, his systematic undermining of alliances and hollowing out of America’s diplomatic and national security architecture. Over the last two and a half years, Trump has been playing Jenga with the world order, pulling out once piece after another. For a while, things more or less held up. But now the whole structure is teetering.

To be sure, most of these crises have causes other than Trump. Even competent American administrations can’t dictate policy to other countries, particularly powerful ones like India and China. But in one flashpoint after another, the Trump administration has either failed to act appropriately, or acted in ways that have made things worse. “Almost everything they do is the wrong move,” said Susan Thornton, who until last year was the acting assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, America’s top diplomat for Asia.

Consider Trump’s role in the Kashmir crisis. In July, during a White House visit by Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, Trump offered to mediate India and Pakistan’s long-running conflict over Kashmir, even suggesting that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had asked him to do so. Modi’s government quickly denied this, and Trump’s words reportedly alarmed India, which has long resisted outside involvement in Kashmir. Two weeks later, India sent troops to lock Kashmir down, then stripped it of its autonomy.

Americans have grown used to ignoring Trump’s casual lies and verbal incontinence, but people in other countries have not. Thornton thinks the president’s comments were a “precipitating factor” in Modi’s decision to annex Kashmir. By blundering into the conflict, she suggested, Trump put the Indian prime minister on the defensive before his Hindu nationalist constituency. “He might not have had to do that,” she said of Modi’s Kashmir takeover, “but he would have had to do something. And this was the thing he was looking to do anyway.”

To be sure, most of these crises have causes other than Trump. Even competent American administrations can’t dictate policy to other countries, particularly powerful ones like India and China. But in one flashpoint after another, the Trump administration has either failed to act appropriately, or acted in ways that have made things worse. “Almost everything they do is the wrong move,” said Susan Thornton, who until last year was the acting assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, America’s top diplomat for Asia.

Consider Trump’s role in the Kashmir crisis. In July, during a White House visit by Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, Trump offered to mediate India and Pakistan’s long-running conflict over Kashmir, even suggesting that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had asked him to do so. Modi’s government quickly denied this, and Trump’s words reportedly alarmed India, which has long resisted outside involvement in Kashmir. Two weeks later, India sent troops to lock Kashmir down, then stripped it of its autonomy.

Americans have grown used to ignoring Trump’s casual lies and verbal incontinence, but people in other countries have not. Thornton thinks the president’s comments were a “precipitating factor” in Modi’s decision to annex Kashmir. By blundering into the conflict, she suggested, Trump put the Indian prime minister on the defensive before his Hindu nationalist constituency. “He might not have had to do that,” she said of Modi’s Kashmir takeover, “but he would have had to do something. And this was the thing he was looking to do anyway.”

At the same time, Modi can be confident that Trump, unlike previous American presidents, won’t even pretend to care about democratic backsliding or human rights abuses, particularly against Muslims. “There’s a cost-benefit analysis that any political leader makes,” said Ben Rhodes, a former top Obama national security aide. “If the leader of India felt like he was going to face public criticism, potential scrutiny at the United Nations,” or damage to the bilateral relationship with the United States, “that might affect his cost-benefit analysis.” Trump’s instinctive sympathy for authoritarian leaders empowers them diplomatically.

Obviously, India and Pakistan still have every interest in avoiding a nuclear holocaust. China may show restraint on Hong Kong. Wary of starting a war before the 2020 election, Trump might make a deal with Iran, though probably a worse one than the Obama agreement that he jettisoned. The global economy could slow down but not seize up. We could get through the next 17 months with a world that still looks basically recognizable.

Even then, America will emerge with a desiccated diplomatic corps, strained alliances, and a tattered reputation. It never again play the same leadership role internationally that it did before Trump.

And that’s the best-case scenario. The most powerful country in the world is being run by a sundowning demagogue whose oceanic ignorance is matched only by his gargantuan ego. The United States has been lucky that things have hung together as much as they have, save the odd government shutdown or white nationalist terrorist attack. But now, in foreign affairs as in the economy, the consequences of not having a functioning American administration are coming into focus. “No U.S. leadership is leaving a vacuum,” said Thornton. We’ll see what gets sucked into it.

nyt/goldberg
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:00 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
do the Greenlanders get a say in this

The Greenland Premier's Office published a Short comment from Government
Quote:
”We have a good cooperation with USA, and we see it as an expression of greater interest in investing in our country and the possibilities we offer. Of course, Greenland is not for sale. “


The Greenlandic diplomatic mission in Washington will have to get more diplomats, I think.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:11 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
Because it's ridiculous- tantamount to offering to buy the Indian Ocean.

Not really. Assuming global warming, adding Greenland to the US would be quite beneficial to us.


snood wrote:
Makes him an even bigger laughingstock and gives fuel to anyone who doubts his mental acuity.

The left's hatred for Trump says more about the left than it does about Trump.


snood wrote:
The fact that you can't see it is a commentary on yours...

Yes. I'm pretty awesome.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:15 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Because it has absolutely no bearing on the status of the United States.

If we acquired Greenland, that would have considerable bearing on the United States.


neptuneblue wrote:
It's another slight of hand move, something to grab attention. There's no aim to this, zig-zagging around to nothingness.

I see no reason to conclude that his offer is insincere.


neptuneblue wrote:
And you're buying into this.

It's more that I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with him making an offer.
revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:18 am
@hightor,
Quote:
sundowning demagogue


That was certainly on display last at his NH rally. I think he is losing it, unfortunately. He rambled and repeated himself. He mocks a protestor for being fat (has he looked in the mirror?) when in fact the protestor was a fan. I didn't see much excitement like there used to be. They showed clips this morning on MSNBC before I turned it off. I usually watch a bit of morning jo if I get up early enough and then turn the channel.

Trump mocked a man he thought was a protester for being overweight, but it turned out he was actually a supporter

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oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 08:18 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
do the Greenlanders get a say in this

In today's world, I assume that they would.


MontereyJack wrote:
And WTF is he thinking of doing with a country-wide glacier the global warming he doesn't believe in is melting?

Presumably he thinks that global warming is real, and is trying to get in on some land that will be quite valuable in the future.

We should also think about colonizing Antarctica when the climate warms a bit.

Two hundred years from now, Alaska might be the part of the current US with a reasonable climate. If we could add Greenland and Antarctica to that, we'd be a lot better off.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 09:11 am
@oralloy,
Which means your bunker in the woods would be s bunker in a 130 dregree desert hotter in the summer.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 09:14 am
@MontereyJack,
I don't have a bunker. I have better things to spend my money on.

I also doubt that I'll be alive to worry about it 200 years from now.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 09:40 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

oralloy wrote:

What could possibly be wrong with offering to buy something?


Because it’s ridiculous- tantamount to offering to buy the Indian Ocean. Makes him an even bigger laughingstock and gives fuel to anyone who doubts his mental acuity.

The fact that you can’t see it is a commentary on yours...


Let's see, … Thomas Jefferson bought the Louisiana territory (which encompassed most of the Western United Stated from a then desperate Napoleon, and later we purchased Alaska from the then shaken Russian empire following the Crimean war.. Both actions were criticized by some contemporaries, however both have worked out rather well for us.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 09:42 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

I don't have a bunker.


I bet you don't even have a golf club.
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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 10:50 am
This is all so sad, so terribly, terribly sad.
Quote:
While vacationing at his golf club in New Jersey, President Donald Trump has been fretting about some gloomy economic forecasts — and the effect they’ll have on his reelection chances.

According to the Washington Post, Trump has been calling business friends and financial executives to gauge their reactions. He also has begun peddling the conspiracy theory that the media is skewing the economic data to undermine his campaign.

Administration officials have reportedly not prepared for a recession, worrying that details of any plan would leak and create a negative narrative.

Trump is aware that his consistently strongest polling metric is his handling of the economy, and fears that a recession would hemorrhage his support, per the Post.
TPM

MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 10:58 am
@oralloy,
Nice of you to be comfortable with throwing our future country under the tubes.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 10:59 am
@blatham,
Which is exactly why the MSM is going to push any and all recession forecasts that look bad for Trump, it's an effect do push the voters. You will notice the media doesn't give a good stock market much play or the trade deals that get signed...
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:03 am
@oralloy,
oralloy says
.
Quote:

The left's hatred for Trump says more about the left than it does about Trump.

What it shows about the left is that the left recognizes reality when it sees an autocratic bigot screwing over the country when it sees one,
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neptuneblue
 
  1  
Fri 16 Aug, 2019 11:17 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
If we acquired Greenland, that would have considerable bearing on the United States.


Ok, but it's not for sale. No one came up to Trump and said, "hey, we have some land for sale, want it?"


oralloy wrote:
I see no reason to conclude that his offer is insincere.


I do. He didn't run this by Appropriations or the American public.



oralloy wrote:
It's more that I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with him making an offer.


Again, without going through proper channels, him making an offer to purchase land is extremely bizarre. And wrong.

 

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