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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 12:36 pm
@izzythepush,
Trump announced today that Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Tex.), his embattled nominee to lead the nation’s intelligence community, was withdrawing from consideration and would remain in Congress.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/wJVwDWw.jpg
RABEL222
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 12:46 pm
@izzythepush,
They are getting what they wanted. Attention.
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Baldimo
 
  3  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 12:52 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
In the first years there were periodic releases, including
larger groups of prisoners. Those released had to report daily to the police where they lived.
In the concentration camp I know a bit better, even in 1942 prisoners released.

You stated that there were "periodic releases", does that equal a mandated 20 day release period? There is zero comparison between the ICE facilities and concentration camps. The fact that you a German would think there is a comparison is amazing. Illegal immigrants "asylum seekers" are there on temporary basis while family are found or their parents are released. People caught crossing the border are the only people detained. No one presenting themselves at a border crossing ends up in those facilities, unless it's found that the child with the adult isn't really a family member, then the child ends up there while real families members are found. Can we be honest and real about what is really going on and leave the purposely charged political language on the back burner.
blatham
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 03:53 pm
Continuing our famous and much-loved series - Voices From The Right
Quote:
First, the GOP shrinks. Next it should get crushed.

...Since Trump’s election I’ve suggested that the current Republican Party is irredeemable. A party so thoroughly corrupted and devoid of intellectual and moral integrity cannot be rescued from itself.

...The only plausible path at this point is to crush the Republican Party so resoundingly at every level that it is forced to abandon Trumpism, recruit an entirely different generation of leadership and devise an agenda that is not based on right-wing nationalism.

Jennifer Rubin

Hear! Hear! Hear!
georgeob1
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 03:59 pm
@blatham,
Unfortunately for you and the author It is the Democrat party that appears to be locked in a very vigorous effort to enhance the odds for Republicans and Trump in the next election.
oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 04:41 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
You mean like Obama did to Libya's people?

You mean where Obama prevented that lunatic Kadaffy from massacring Libyan citizens?
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oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 04:42 pm
We got Hamza (maybe)

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-has-intel-osama-bin-laden-s-son-heir-n1037236


Five left (if we got Hamza):

Ayman al-Zawahiri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri

Saif al-Adel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Adel

Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Ahmed_Abdullah

Ezedin Abdel Aziz Khalil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezedin_Abdel_Aziz_Khalil

Ali Sayyid Muhamed Mustafa al-Bakri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sayyid_Muhamed_Mustafa_al-Bakri
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blatham
 
  -1  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 05:40 pm
@georgeob1,
I gather you refer to the notion of "Dems in disarray"? That's a constant theme each election with an element of truth to it. When inclusiveness is highly valued with its inevitable conflicts of ideas and values, you're likely to get something like the opposite of North Korea.

But of course, Rubin's piece is not about predictions of electoral victory. Rather, it is about the corrupt and morally ugly depths to which the GOP has fallen. The GOP, she states, needs to be crushed. For the good of your country. And of course she is far from alone as a high profile and lifelong Republican who has come to reject the party. I hope you aren't pretending this is normal.
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 05:52 pm
@Baldimo,
You keep talking about a mandatory 20 day release period, and the Trump admoinistrationb keeps ignoring t. Keeping people, particularly kids for much longer periods, sometimes losing track of them, and mesanwhile petitioning the courts to do away with the reg. which they don't follow anyway.
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MontereyJack
 
  0  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 05:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Let Texas have him/ Better them than us.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 2 Aug, 2019 06:17 pm
@blatham,
I haven't seen much in the way of the inclusiveness to which you referred among the Democrat Presidential contenders. Instead the atmosphere appears to be exclusive and suggesting "conform (to our new socialist agenda ) or be shouted down" as their unspoken motto. The result appears to be a rather monotonous recitation of an agenda which I believe is rather perfectly designed to create a setback for them in the next election. Rather alarming to see enthusiastic, such self destructive behavior.

On a distinct but related issue, namely your earlier discussions with others here about gradualism vs swift revolutionary change, I find myself supporting your view and preference for gradualism. It takes time for new policies to reveal their effectiveness and perhaps unforeseen side effects. I believe this is particularly true particularly for new extensions of government control of social and economic issues, whether Republican or Democrat in origin. Moreover those who most avidly advocate for swift revolutionary change appear to be those least interested in discovering (or dealing with) flaws or unexpected side effects in their own proposals.
Builder
 
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Fri 2 Aug, 2019 09:11 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
You could say that but it's a stretch. There was already a civil war going on..


No, not until the US-UK funded jihadists arrived. It was a peaceful nation, before that time. Libya's leader fronted the UN general assembly, and outlined his plans for his nation, which clearly didn't tie in with their plans.

Shame about those US folks that had to "take one for the team" at Ben Ghazi.

Sometimes your paid mercenaries get a bit carried away with all that loot and amphetamines they're given, to keep them on the job.

Builder
 
  2  
Sat 3 Aug, 2019 12:34 am
@Builder,
And to invade a nation unilaterally, without any threat from that nation, on the grounds of "humanitarian interests", without any plan for what was going to happen after destroying the infrastructure and control mechanisms, is literally and figuratively, and imperatively, the definition of criminal intent.

Just lucky there's no oversight for such matters today, or Obama and Clinton, and Blair, would be swinging from the gallows, just like Hussein did.
oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 3 Aug, 2019 02:12 am
@Builder,
Bringing a murderer like Kadaffy to justice is hardly a criminal offense.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Sat 3 Aug, 2019 02:14 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
No, not until the US-UK funded jihadists arrived.

They weren't jihadists, and they weren't funded by the US or UK. They were ordinary civilians that Kadaffy was about to massacre.


Builder wrote:
It was a peaceful nation, before that time.

The people that Kadaffy murdered would beg to differ.
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hightor
 
  0  
Sat 3 Aug, 2019 03:26 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
It takes time for new policies to reveal their effectiveness and perhaps unforeseen side effects.

I agree. The idea that some complex social problem will be adequately addressed by some complicated program is ludicrous. The ACA is a perfect example. But the proper way to address this is to take stock of how a program is working at regular intervals and make the necessary adjustments. The GOP was so focused on trying to make Obama a one-term president that they were unwilling to improve the law and insisted the entire thing had to be scrapped. So for the past ten years many USAmericans have been saddled with excessively high premiums — especially the self-employed. Meanwhile many of the ameliorating provisions were challenged in the courts instead of being further negotiated in a spirit of compromise for the benefit of the consumers.

The problems with the ACA were evident quite soon — it doesn't happen that way all the time and the 1994 Crime Act is a case in point. An effort (much of which I think was mean-spirited — like eliminating higher education for inmates) was made to address a recognized and growing problem, but it took years to see how ineffective these measures were as a deterrent and instead people patted themselves on the back for "getting tough on violent crime", as if vengeance were the sole point of justice. The damage done to poor communities (predominantly non-white) was considerable. Had some sort of oversight mechanism been put into place it's possible that the numbers would have shown what was going on and the social implications recognized much earlier.

Here where I think it's unfair to try to hang the responsibility for this misbegotten effort on Biden (and no, I'm not endorsing him), or any one individual . Responding to the panic and addressing the public outcry was definitely the responsibility of government. But that doesn't excuse Congress and government agencies for ignoring the social ramifications, identifying the problems, evaluating the long-term consequences, and making subsequent changes to a wide-ranging piece of legislation. Enacting new programs and laws doesn't mean a social problem has been solved, merely addressed. It's ridiculous to think they're going get everything right the first time and they have a responsibility to correct their miscalculations and mistaken assumptions. I think this is the essence of "incrementalism" — continual attention and necessary revision to laws and programs as their practical effects are discerned.
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hightor
 
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Sat 3 Aug, 2019 04:08 am
Zardoz wrote:
Trump claimed in the run up to the election that he would not take a vacation but in Trumps first year in office he spent more on travel in his first year in office than Obama spent in 8 years in office. Trump’s trips to Mar-a-Lago cost $3 million each and he went every other week. Trump just happens to go to his own businesses so the government money profits him. This is a conflict of business and should be outlawed. The taxpayers paid Trump $60,000 just to rent golf carts for the secret service at Mar-a-Lago. Once Trump had spent all the money Congress had budgeted for presidential travel Congress had to allocate an additional $120 million. Of course, all of Trumps relatives traveled in style using government money. The annual Kushner family ski trip to Aspen cost the taxpayers $330,000, Trump has three wives and children with all of them and they all take lavish vacation on the taxpayer’s hard-earned money. Trump’s youngest daughter Tiffany went on a German tour and Mediterranean yachting holiday in July. Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost the secret service $100,000.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 3 Aug, 2019 05:37 am
@hightor,
Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/ky22WD3l.jpg

Trump golf outings over 2 and a half years

1 of 193 outings were to the President’s Cup
2 of 193 outings were in Japan
3 of 193 outings were at Trump’s Ireland course
190 of 193 outings were to Trump’s golf properties
20 flights to Bedminster, New Jersey, to visit Trump’s course
24 flights to Mar-a-Lago
At his current pace Trump will visit his golf properties about 310 times and if he is re-elected it would 620.

From a combination of an analysis from the HuffPost, the GAO or General Accounting Office, Politico and the Washington Post using costs from both Obama and Trump golf trips the estimated cost of Trump’s visits so far come to a range of $105 to $108 million. (Forbes)
snood
 
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Sat 3 Aug, 2019 07:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/ky22WD3l.jpg

Trump golf outings over 2 and a half years

1 of 193 outings were to the President’s Cup
2 of 193 outings were in Japan
3 of 193 outings were at Trump’s Ireland course
190 of 193 outings were to Trump’s golf properties
20 flights to Bedminster, New Jersey, to visit Trump’s course
24 flights to Mar-a-Lago
At his current pace Trump will visit his golf properties about 310 times and if he is re-elected it would 620.

From a combination of an analysis from the HuffPost, the GAO or General
Accounting Office, Politico and the Washington Post using costs from both Obama and Trump golf trips the estimated cost of Trump’s visits so far come to a range of $105 to $108 million. (Forbes
)


I can probably guess the answers, but it’s still an interesting thing to see...

So, Baldimo, Oralloy, Finn, et al...

Is 105 million dollars of taxpayers money for golf trips okay by you, or nah?
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 3 Aug, 2019 08:12 am
@snood,
‘For 45 years people have been trying’: An oft-repeated time frame in Trump’s false claims
Quote:
At a Cabinet meeting two weeks ago, President Trump returned to a dubious claim he has made at least five times since June.

“For 45 years, people have been trying to get Mexico to do what they’re doing now, and they weren’t able to get it,” Trump said, boasting about a deal he struck with Mexico to deter irregular migration across its territory toward the United States. “And we got it in one day — everything.”

Except that Mexico had worked with the Obama administration to deter migration. Mexico said there was little new in the deal with the Trump administration, and it had been detaining Central American migrants at its southern border for decades.

As the rate of Trump’s false or misleading claims has increased over his presidency, so too has his willingness to attach a false “45-year” time frame to bolster those claims. He has done this repeatedly over the past three years while claiming multiple achievements, examples of which you can watch in the video above.

Toward the end of the 2016 campaign, Trump said the national murder rate was “the highest it’s been in 45 years.” In fact, the rates of homicide and violent crime were near 45-year lows.

On 17 occasions, Trump touted “right to try” legislation, involving investigational medications, that he signed in 2018 by claiming at times that advocates had fought for it for 45 years. The current push for “right to try” legislation started in 2014.

In 2018, Trump touted efforts (since partially blocked) to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling, saying, “They’ve been trying to do it for 45 years.” The issue had been a political fight only since 1977.

In January 2018, Trump said nationwide unemployment claims hit a 45-year low. It was only a six-week low.

In November, Trump said, “Jobless claims in Georgia just fell to their lowest level in 45 years.” Unemployment claims have been near record lows, but states including Georgia cut the duration of jobless benefits, contributing to the decline. And federal data for Georgia jobless claims goes back only to 1986.

And on 57 occasions, Trump falsely claimed that he signed the Veterans Choice health-care program into law, at times touting his ability to overcome a 45-year effort to pass it.

“They’ve been working on that one for 45 years; we got it passed,” Trump said last August. “I’m good at getting things passed.”

The program was signed into law by President Barack Obama in 2014.
 

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