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izzythepush
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 01:32 pm
@BillRM,
Look at the Wikipedia page. El Arish is mentioned as is an attack on the Golan Heights.

It's not your theory, it's just an excuse to have a go at me for being English.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 01:43 pm
@izzythepush,


izzythepush wrote:

Look at the Wikipedia page. El Arish is mentioned as is an attack on the Golan Heights.

It's not your theory, it's just an excuse to have a go at me for being English.


Odd way of thinking as once more I never expressed an opinion one way or the other on the Suez canal other then the US should had been in the loop an if my time line is correct one of my heroes was in charge of England at the time IE Churchill.
hightor
 
  -2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 02:08 pm
And, here — with the weekend coming right up:

Being and drunkenness: how to party like an existentialist

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Existentialism has a reputation for being angst-ridden and gloomy mostly because of its emphasis on pondering the meaninglessness of existence, but two of the best-known existentialists knew how to have fun in the face of absurdity. Simone de Beauvoir and Jean-Paul Sartre spent a lot of time partying: talking, drinking, dancing, laughing, loving and listening to music with friends, and this was an aspect of their philosophical stance on life. They weren’t just philosophers who happened to enjoy parties, either – the parties were an expression of their philosophy of seizing life, and for them there were authentic and inauthentic ways to do this.

For de Beauvoir in particular, philosophy was to be lived vivaciously, and partying was bound up with her urge to live fully and freely, not to hold herself back from all that life had to offer. She wrote that sometimes she does ‘everything a little too crazily … But that is my way. I have rather not to do the things at all as doing them mildly.’

Sartre loved the imaginative playfulness that alcohol facilitated: ‘I liked having confused, vaguely questioning ideas that then fell apart.’ Too much seriousness hardens the world, pinning it down with rules, they felt, suffocating freedom and creativity. Taking parties too seriously dissipates their effervescence. Seriousness flattens them into institutions, hollow shams of gratuitously flaunted wealth and materialism, pathetic pleas for acknowledgement through the gazes of others, or hedonistic indulgences in sordid ephemeral pleasures that serve only to distract participants from their stagnating lives. A serious party neglects the underlying virtues of playfulness and generosity that make a party authentic. De Beauvoir tried smoking joints but, no matter how hard she inhaled, she remained firmly planted to the ground. She and Sartre self-medicated with amphetamines to remedy hangovers, heartbreaks and writers’ blocks. Sartre tripped on psychedelics for academic purposes: he took mescaline to inform his research on hallucinations. But alcohol would always be their drug of choice for partying.

A party isn’t a party without others, of course, and, although Sartre is renowned for his line ‘Hell is – other people!’ in No Exit (1944), that was far from the whole story for him: both he and de Beauvoir discovered themselves in their relations with other people. ‘In songs, laughter, dances, eroticism, and drunkenness,’ de Beauvoir writes in The Ethics of Ambiguity (1947), ‘one seeks both an exaltation of the moment and a complicity with other men.’ For her, complicity and reciprocity are the foundation of ethical relationships because other people provide the context of our lives. And because our world is infused with the meanings that other people are giving it, our existence can be revealed only in communication with them.

Parties can cultivate our connections to others, bring meaning to one another’s lives, and reveal the world with them. They can also confirm one another’s existences, serving as a reminder to friends that they matter, and that one matters to one’s friends. Moreover, the warmth and laughter that authentic partying sparks can help people cope with the chaos of life. De Beauvoir wrote of her wartime parties in occupied Paris: they saved up food stamps and then binged on food, fun and alcohol. They danced, sang, played music and improvised. The artist Dora Maar mimed bullfights, Sartre mimed orchestra-conducting in a cupboard, and Albert Camus banged on saucepan lids as if in a marching band. De Beauvoir wrote that: ‘We merely wanted to snatch a few nuggets of sheer joy from this confusion and intoxicate ourselves with their brightness, in defiance of the disenchantments that lay ahead.’ These were small acts of rebellion in the face of real fears for the future.

Critics of de Beauvoir and Sartre would try to discredit them with accusations of inspiring orgies, encouraging hedonism, and being what the philosopher Julia Kristeva in 2016 called ‘libertarian terrorists’ who formed a ‘shock commando unit’ to seduce their sexual victims. Nevertheless, they weren’t encouraging all-out hedonism, because they didn’t value personal pleasure over responsibility. For de Beauvoir, there’s nothing philosophically wrong with having orgies, it’s the same as with any other aspect of life: it matters how you approach the situation. If a person, she wrote, ‘brings his entire self to every situation, there can be no such thing as a “base occasion”’. And it’s true that de Beauvoir and Sartre had many lovers, but casual sex wasn’t part of their repertoire. They thought that promiscuity was a trivial use of freedom and, instead, wanted intense love affairs and friendships. (Nevertheless, people were hurt in these relationships, and although de Beauvoir acknowledged responsibility for this, neither she nor Sartre were ever held morally accountable by others in any meaningful way.)

Rejecting social norms is a process of destruction: refusing to be defined primarily by what others think you should be, how you are supposed to act, and the choices you are supposed to make. Partying can involve a similar act of destroying such expectations, as well as expending time, money, food, drink and brain cells. Some might call this a waste, but what are we saving ourselves for? A good life isn’t always a long one, and a long life isn’t necessarily a happy or fulfilled one. Rather, what’s important is to embrace life passionately. Existence is a process of spending ourselves, and sometimes requires leaving our former selves behind to create ourselves anew, thrusting forward into the future, disclosing our being into new realms. We do this by opening ourselves to, and playing with, possibilities.

Yet partying like an existentialist also calls for caution. While it can be a reprieve from a world full of despair and distractions, it’s bad faith to use it as a means to escape one’s situation. Running away from life or succumbing to peer pressure reduces oneself to what de Beauvoir called an absurd ‘palpitation’. For partying to be authentic, it must be freely and actively chosen, done purposefully, and in a way that reflects one’s values. Furthermore, too much partying can become exhausting and monotonous when it siphons off the zest from life and becomes a repetitive and meaningless series of encounters, which is why existentialist parties tended to be only occasional events. Camus would ask de Beauvoir if it’s possible to party as hard as they did and still work. De Beauvoir replied no. To avoid stagnation, she thought that existence ‘must be immediately engaged in a new undertaking, it must dash off toward the future’.

Authentic existential partying, then, requires a kind of self-mastery: to hold oneself in the tension between freedom and responsibility, playfulness and seriousness, and to nurture our connections without denying our situations. It encourages us to create our own links with the world, on our own terms, vigilantly detaching ourselves from internal chains, including habits or dependencies such as alcoholism. Such partying also incites us to challenge external chains, such as institutional restrictions, and so the stubborn insistence on living life as one chooses and in ways that strengthen our bonds to one another can be an act of revolt. An existential approach to partying recognises that although life can be menacing, it can and should be enjoyable, and being with others in the playful mode of partying can help us bear the darkness through a shared sense of euphoria, harmony and hope.

Both de Beauvoir and Sartre spent their rich lives embracing new undertakings, but took their whiskey and vodka bottles with them. This led to serious health problems, including cirrhosis, but they never regretted their partying or drinking, and by their own philosophy, there is no reason they should have done. They chose it freely, did it on their own terms, and took responsibility for the consequences. That’s what partying like an existentialist is all about.

aeon/cleary
oralloy
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 02:44 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You know why the Liberty was attacked? It was because it was witnessing Israeli war crimes.

It isn't a crime for Jews to defend themselves.
oralloy
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 02:45 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Israeli fearing if we knew how well they was then doing in the 7 day war we would had pressure them to stop just like we had pressure them and the Europeans including the UK a few years before to give back the Suez canal.

The evidence shows that the reason why the Liberty was attacked is because they were dumb enough to sail into a war zone and were mistaken for an enemy vessel.
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 02:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Of course the pilots and the boats crews was both blind

The flag was easy to miss.


BillRM wrote:
and unless you are sure of who the target is you do not attack a ship in international waters just in case it might be hostile to you an flying a false flag.

They did not simply attack the Liberty in case it was hostile. They had a report that an Egyptian warship had just shelled their positions, and the Liberty was a warship sailing away from the scene of the reported attack and towards Egypt.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 02:48 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
I never hear in the 7 days war war crimes by either sides other then the attack on our ship.

Collateral damage is not a war crime.
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izzythepush
 
  -2  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 03:36 pm
@BillRM,
Churchill wasn't prime minister during Suez, it was Eden.
nimh
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 04:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
Maybe worth pointing out that Trump got a roughly similar % against any of the Democrats in this Fox News poll (39-42%). Warren and especially Harris did less well against him than Biden rather because more respondents ended up in the 'Other' / 'Don't know' categories.

This might be because they spark less enthusiasm. It might also just indicate that there are still many voters who feel they just don't know (enough about) them yet.

Code: TRUMP DEMOCRAT OTHER/WOULDN’T VOTE DON’T KNOW

vs Biden 39% 49% 8% 5%
vs Sanders 40% 46% 9% 5%
vs Warren 42% 41% 10% 7%
vs Harris 41% 40% 11% 8%
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blatham
 
  -3  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 04:45 pm
@hightor,
Such a pity those two weren't the people who set up the Girl and Boy Scouts.

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(Nevertheless, people were hurt in these relationships, and although de Beauvoir acknowledged responsibility for this, neither she nor Sartre were ever held morally accountable by others in any meaningful way.)
I don't know the details referred to here but I've never had a relationship without some degree of hurt in the mix.
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oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 05:01 pm

US Supreme Court: Trump can redirect $2.5 Billion to border wall

http://apnews.com/5d893d388c254c7fa83a1570112ae90e
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blatham
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 05:16 pm
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After recruiting thousands of donors for the American Conservative Union — the powerful organization behind the annual CPAC conference — a Republican political operative pushed the same contributors to give millions to a PAC that promised to go after then-President Barack Obama, but then steered much of their donations to himself and his partners.

The PAC, called the Conservative Majority Fund, has raised nearly $10 million since mid-2012 and continues to solicit funds to this day, primarily from thousands of steadfast contributors to conservative causes, many of them senior citizens. But it has made just $48,400 in political contributions to candidates and committees.

Public records indicate its main beneficiaries are the operative Kelley Rogers, who has a history of disputes over allegedly unethical fundraising, and one of the largest conservative fundraising companies, InfoCision Management Corp., which charged millions of dollars in fundraising fees.


The roots of this stuff go back a half century; all along, there have been conservatives who saw their own voters as a bunch of gullible marks just waiting to be separated from their money.
WP
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blatham
 
  -3  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 05:37 pm
If there is a smarter political writer working in the US presenently, I don't know who that might be. Link
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Is ‘Doing the Right Thing’ Worth Increasing the Risk of a Second Trump Term?
By Ed Kilgore

A new argument for impeaching President Trump has gained attention in the wake of Robert Mueller’s testimony in the House on Wednesday, during which the special counsel confirmed his understanding that Trump could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice (or any other crimes he might have committed) after leaving office. There’s a problem with that scenario, notes Brown University’s Corey Brettschneider:

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Mueller’s answer needs to be front and center as Congress decides its next move. If the president is reelected and serves his full term, the five-year statute of limitations on obstruction of justice will run out before he leaves office. Thus, reelection would almost guarantee that Trump will never stand trial for his crimes. The only way Congress can ensure Trump is ever held accountable is to begin impeachment proceedings.


But it is as certain as anything in this life that the Republican-controlled Senate will not remove Trump from office under any foreseeable set of facts (and no, the Nixon precedent is not especially relevant). A failed impeachment effort — whether the House doesn’t formally take up articles of impeachment, or it takes them up and they are defeated, or the Senate acquits — would not only leave the president in office, but could even look like an exoneration (which is precisely how Trump would depict it). So what would be the point? A theoretical discharge of duty?

Perhaps so. Enthusiasts for the project of impeaching Donald Trump often scorn Democrats (notably House Speaker Nancy Pelosi) who have opposed this path as elevating politics over principle, and subordinating their constitutional duty to bring a scofflaw president to justice to the less lofty prospect of beating him in a mere election. Yes, some impeachment fans think initiating proceedings will actually help Democrats in 2020 (though the process whereby that is supposed to happen is generally left hazy), but the more prevalent position is that it’s a question that shouldn’t be given a lot of attention in light of the precedent that letting Trump evade impeachment might set for the future. Here’s Brian Beutler on the moral calculus:

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[T]he Pelosi standard will commit Democrats to the course of consciously, publicly choosing to proceed no further, to say Congress will take no position on Trump’s obstruction of justice, his violation of the emoluments clause, and his criminal schemes. That might or might not be the safest political course of action for the party, but it will establish a new precedent in our country that presidents can make themselves untouchable, to the law and to Congress, if only they’re willing to be as selfish and malevolent as Trump. And it will do so at a moment when one of the country’s two political parties has fully embraced an ethos of corruption, greed, and will to power.


This is a compelling enough argument. But to take it seriously, one needs to follow its logic and admit that it suggests a second Trump term is an acceptable price to pay if it’s necessary to warn future Trumps that they cannot simply do whatever they want with impunity.

While I doubt any impeachment fans feel equanimity toward a Trump reelection, you have to wonder if they are really thinking through what it means to brush off 2020 concerns as “political” and less important than engaging in a quixotic effort to pretend Trump can be removed from office any way other than at the polls. Talk about untouchability! A reelected Trump would be rampant, vengeful, and (of course) unrepentant. The Supreme Court and the entire federal judiciary would likely become a confirmed enemy to progressivism for a generation. With one or two more Trump appointees to SCOTUS, reproductive rights would almost certainly be vaporized. Climate change might well become truly irreversible. Trumpism (or something worse) would complete its conquest of one major political party, and the other would be truly in the wilderness and perhaps fatally embittered and divided. As I argued a few months ago, this is no matter of “mere politics”:

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For those left of center, 2020 is an emergency, and those activists or observers who would increase the risk of a second Trump term to promote candidate or factional interests ought to attract a lot of pushback. A 2021 with Trump in charge is a progressive hellscape. Avoiding it is really important.


Impeachment is not, of course, the only matter that is — and ought to be — overshadowed by the specter of this terrible man remaining in office. The selection of a Democratic opponent to minimize the risk of “Hellscape ’21” cannot be rationally discussed without the much-maligned concept of “electability.” Yes, of course, “electability” is a slippery concept, and sometimes voters choose poor metrics for measuring that quality. But in 2020, you really cannot blame them for becoming consumed with this issue.

In choosing presidential candidates, partisans usually have to balance electability against the possibility that this or that less-electable candidate might produce better results if they do win. One of the great engines of progressive candidacies is the belief that the pain and struggle (and risk) involved in carrying them to victory is justified by the payoff that only a transformational presidency could produce. But what if the risk factor includes raising the odds of a second Trump term? Let’s just stipulate for the sake of argument that a Warren or Sanders presidency would yield a progressive legacy twice as valuable as that of a Biden presidency, but would also increase the odds of a Trump 2020 win by ten percent (again, this is all hypothetical). Is that politically — is that morally — justifiable?

I have no ready answer to that question, and it’s not ripe for an answer until we get further down the road and have more data on the vision and the electability of various candidates. But at some point it will become the critical question. With respect to a doomed impeachment drive or following one’s heart rather than one’s head in the nominating process, these are abnormal times when “doing the right thing” is much easier said than done. “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” is a tired cliché often used to dismiss bold thinking and decisive action. But sometimes, the choice is between “the good” and the unimaginably bad. Those are crossroads progressives may arrive at very soon.
BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:24 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Churchill wasn't prime minister during Suez, it was Eden.


Thanks for the info and correcting my time line error.
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BillRM
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:30 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

izzythepush wrote:
You know why the Liberty was attacked? It was because it was witnessing Israeli war crimes.

It isn't a crime for Jews to defend themselves.


True however it is indeed a crime to attack a foreign ship not involve with the fighting in international water flying their large flag in a very open manner an as a result killing plus thirty crew members of the ship.
BillRM
 
  0  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:34 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
Israeli fearing if we knew how well they was then doing in the 7 day war we would had pressure them to stop just like we had pressure them and the Europeans including the UK a few years before to give back the Suez canal.

The evidence shows that the reason why the Liberty was attacked is because they were dumb enough to sail into a war zone and were mistaken for an enemy vessel.


Complete nonsense I will later see if I can find the very large US flag with bullet holes in it that the ship was flying at the time of the attack.

So you are such a supporter of Israel that you are supporting the murder of US citizen by them!!!!!!
oralloy
 
  1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:46 pm
@BillRM,
Not nonsense. The evidence shows that the Liberty was attacked because they were dumb enough to sail into a war zone and were mistaken for an enemy vessel.

Pointing out that an act is not murder, is not supporting murder.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:47 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
If the president is reelected and serves his full term, the five-year statute of limitations on obstruction of justice will run out before he leaves office. Thus, reelection would almost guarantee that Trump will never stand trial for his crimes. The only way Congress can ensure Trump is ever held accountable is to begin impeachment proceedings.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to their witch hunts against people who disagree with them.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:49 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
it is indeed a crime to attack a foreign ship not involve with the fighting in international water flying their large flag in a very open manner an as a result killing plus thirty crew members of the ship.

That is incorrect. Collateral damage is not a crime.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 26 Jul, 2019 06:51 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

BillRM wrote:
it is indeed a crime to attack a foreign ship not involve with the fighting in international water flying their large flag in a very open manner an as a result killing plus thirty crew members of the ship.

That is incorrect. Collateral damage is not a crime.


Nonsense it is a crime to attack a ship that is clearly mark, killing it crew by so doing while it sail in international waters.

That is not and never will be collateral damage.

It is a damn shame that we did not cut off all war fighting supplies to them until the men who had order the attack on a US ship in international water was turn over to us.

Collateral damage indeed.........
 

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