@MontereyJack,
Quote:Nothing violent bout putting up a flag.
When it's a US facility that was already flying the US flag, not violent but wrong. You ignored the Antifa guy who attacked the ICE facility... why am I not surprised. No comment means you agree with his actions but don't want to admit it.
Quote:It's a political protest is all, and protected free speech.
You also ignored the vandalism to the other flag that was flying with the US flag. Free speech was protesting on the outside of the facility, not gaining access to it and raising the flag of another nation.
Quote:Or do you hate the constitution as righties so often seem to do?
Don't claim to have respect for something you have already proven to detest and want to fully change. Your continued false understanding of what the Constitution says and means tells me you have no respect for it. I served my country to defend the Constitution, that's more respect then you've shown.
@hightor,
Quote:Your best bet might be to stop watching national television.
Haven't watched the idiot box for almost nine years. It's all mudrock press now, anyways. He's not about to expose his partners in crime, now, is he?
Quote:what planet do you live on?
The one where we expect justice to prevail, and it most certainly isn't the one you're living on.
@Olivier5,
Quote:George W. Bush deserves the electric chair for causing the death of hundred of thousand of people
And Blair, and Cheney, and Rumsfeldt, and Rice, and Howard, and anyone else who voted to "stay the distance" in that criminal invasion.
Thanks for demonstrating your complete ignorance, once again.
Quote:Against the backdrop of war propaganda, Libya’s economic and social achievements over the last thirty years, have been brutally reversed:
The [Libyan Arab Jamahiriya] has had a high standard of living and a robust per capita daily caloric intake of 3144. The country has made strides in public health and, since 1980, child mortality rates have dropped from 70 per thousand live births to 19 in 2009. Life expectancy has risen from 61 to 74 years of age during the same span of years. (FAO, Rome, Libya, Country Profile,)
The NATO invasion and occupation marks the ruinous “rebirth” of Libya’s standard of living That is the forbidden and unspoken truth: an entire Nation has been destabilized and destroyed, its people driven into abysmal poverty.
The objective of the NATO bombings from the outset was to destroy the country’s standard of living, its health infrastructure, its schools and hospitals, its water distribution system.
And then “rebuild” with the help of donors and creditors under the helm of the IMF and the World Bank.
The diktats of the “free market” are a precondition for the instatement of a Western style “democratic dictatorship “.
About nine thousand strike sorties, tens of thousands of strikes on civilian targets including residential areas, government buildings, water supply and electricity generation facilities. (See NATO Communique, September 5, 2011. 8140 strike sorties from March 31 to September 5, 2011)
An entire nation has been bombed with the most advanced ordnance, including uranium coated ammunition.
Already in August, UNICEF warned that extensive NATO bombing of Libya’s water infrastructure “could turn into an unprecedented health epidemic “ (Christian Balslev-Olesen of UNICEF’s Libya Office, August 2011).
Meanwhile investors and donors have positioned themselves. “War is Good for Business’. NATO, the Pentagon and the Washington based international financial institutions (IFIs) operate in close coordination. What has been destroyed by NATO will be rebuilt, financed by Libya’s external creditors under the helm of the “Washington Consensus”:
source
Which part of that are you thinking was justified? And, in case your ignorance is more complete than I imagined, there's been no attempt at rebuilding anything destroyed in the NATO invasion, and under international law, the invasion had no justification. So who is the dictator in this situation?>
Worthy of attention. The right wing people are working very hard to reject the notion that Trump is behaving as a racist. Fox is pounding this one. Today, McConnell said he wished
both sides would cool the whole racism thing.
They aren't doing this because the idea is wrong. They're doing so because, I have no doubt, they deem it electorally dangerous. Trump's statements and behaviors, the white nationalist contingent, the refusal of Republicans to stand up and criticize Trump, the behaviors and rhetoric surrounding immigrants, the rhetoric around Black Lives Matter, the paucity of people of color in the GOP (not to mention women) make it a hell of a stretch for the GOP to pass itself off as anything but racist. They'll try, of course, but they know this is one issue that could continue to galvanize citizens who vote or might vote for Dem candidates and a Dem president.
Edit: This is perfect
Quote:It’s obvious the message was racist. Indeed, racists have been using nearly identical phrasing for generations. The challenge for the White House was defending the indefensible and urging the public not to believe their lying eyes.
The official line, evidently, was that
Trump wasn’t being racist; he was simply being authoritarian. The whole mess, the argument goes, is just a big misunderstanding, perpetuated by confused people who are too quick to pick on the poor president.
Consider this message Stephanie Grisham, the new White House press secretary, published last night.
Quote:“So typical to watch the mainstream media and Dems attack [Trump] for speaking directly to the American people. His message is simple: the U.S.A. is the greatest nation on Earth, but if people aren’t happy here they don’t have to stay.”
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/under-fire-white-house-suggests-trump-hates-dissent-not-women-color#break
@blatham,
I think this is spot on. I suppose it's how he convinces himself he 'matters'. I don't know what frightens him, but it must be powerful because he lies, he tells outrageous lies to keep people frightened. Maybe its also why he cozies up to some of the most reviled dictators in modern history, he hopes the sheen of savagery will rub off on him. It's nothing all that new, Trump never puts in the work, he just claims unearned glory. He's a fraud.
"Trump is different. He wants to be thought of as dangerous to others. This seems to over-ride everything else. The ambassador got this exactly right."
Credit @djrothkopf:
Yes, It's the racism. But it's not just the racism. It's sex crimes. But it's not just the sex crimes. It's the concentration camps. But it's not just the concentration camps. It's the corruption. But it's not just the corruption. It's being a traitor. But it's not just being a traitor. It's the obstruction of justice, but its not just the obstruction of justice. It's the attacks on rule of law. But it's not just the attacks on the rule of law. It's the assault on freedom of the press. But it's not just the assault on freedom of the press. It's the pathological lying. But it's not just the pathological lying. It's the unfitness for office. But it's not just the unfitness for office. It's the incompetence. But it's not just the incompetence. It's the attacks on our most important allies and alliances. But it's not just the attacks on most important allies and alliances. It's the systematic destruction of our environment. But it's not just the systematic destruction of our environment. It's the violation of international treaties and agreements. But it is not just the violation of international treaties and agreements. It's the embrace of our enemies.
But it is not just the embrace of our enemies. It's the defense of murdering dictators but it is not just the defense of murdering dictators. It is the serial undermining of our national security. But it is not just the serial undermining of our national security. It is the nepotism. But it's not just the nepotism. It's the attacks on our federal law enforcement and intelligence communities. But it is not just the attacks on our federal law enforcement and intelligence communities. It's the fiscal recklessness. But it's not just the fiscal recklessness. It's the degradation of the office and of public discourse in America. But it's not just the degradation of the office and of public discourse in America. It's the support of Nazis and white supremacists.
But it's not just the support of Nazis and white supremacists. It's the dead in Puerto Rico and the at the border. But it's not just the dead in Puerto Rico and at the border. It's turning the US government into a criminal conspiracy to empower and enrich the president and his supporters. But it's not just the turning the US government into a criminal conspiracy to empower and enrich the president and his supporters. It's weaponization of politics in America to attack the weak. But it's not just the weaponization of American politics to attack the weak.
It's all these things together and the threat of worse to come. It is the damage that can not be undone. It is pathology that has overtaken our politics and our society, the revelation that 40 percent of the population and an entire political party are profoundly immoral. It is a disease that has infected our system and is killing it. At the moment, we still have the wherewithal to fight back. But even those who recognize the dangers of this litany of crimes are proving too complacent, too inert in the face of this threat. It is one of those moments in the history of a country when there is a choice to be made, a choice between having a future and not, between growth and decay, between democracy and oligarchy, between what we dreamt of being and what even our founders feared we might become. The litany of crises and crimes is so long that we are becoming numb. You have heard of the fog of war. This is the fog of Trump. The volume of wrongs becomes its own defense. Is the president accused of being a rapist? Well, then remind them he is a racist and they'll forget.
This is a moment for leaders to step up. To challenge each of these abuses via every legal means available. To organize and draw attention to them. To blow the whistle if you are in government and you are being asked to violate your oath. To resist and refuse to be complicit. If you can't do those things that make your voice heard and join a movement, support a political candidate, donate money, register voters, fight voter suppression. But whatever you do, resist becoming numb. Resist the temptation to let the recitation of old crimes and new......become a deadening drone. Every one matters in times like these. Every one must stand up for what is right. In their homes. In their schools. In the workplace. In their churches and synagogues and mosques.
We are approaching a great national decision about whether the American experiment will succeed or fail, whether this moment does what two world wars, a civil war and countless past misjudgments and missteps could not. We will make it together, resist, offer a better alternative, embrace that alternative and the best leaders we can find...or succumb, let the inertia of some among us mark the end of what for two and half centuries was an idea so compelling it inspired the world. (Credit David Rothkopf) #StayWoke
@Builder,
I never said the bombing of Kadafi regime was a good idea. Or maybe I did at some point when it happened but quickly realised that it was ******* up this part of the world way beyond Libya. But I don't care for Kadafi's death much.
My point is that among all the injustice around, there's no reason I can see to obsess about Hillary Clinton's. The danger presently lies in Trump. And then most of the repukes party is downright criminal, the rest is idiotic. They are screwing the rntire planet for money, but they DO want you to focus on Hillary, thank you very much...
@Olivier5,
Quote:I never said the bombing of Kadafi regime was a good idea. Or maybe I did at some point
Hmmmm, don't know if you're artie or martie?
Why does this not surprise me at all?
@Olivier5,
Here's what you're missing: Hillary is bright, accomplished and a Democrat. Certain Republicans can't stand that, they desperately want her to be identified as evil...because then they think it gives them free reign to subject this country to authoritarianism...you know...Trump molests women (hohum no biggie)...Hillary (lock her up)( ran a fictitious child slave ring out of a non-existant basement in a pizza joint.) See...it equals out..at least in the minds of loathsome people, like McConnell, Ted Cruz, that frigging asshole Lindsey Graham and just too many to list...
@glitterbag,
Quote:Hillary is bright, accomplished and a Democrat.
I can list her career criminal activity for the audience, if you prefer.
@Builder,
Why are you always so dense. Start your own thread about Hating America or Freedom or whatever floats your boat.....and stop whining for Christ's sake, its unbecoming.
I would love to see what you've been brainwashed into believing her "career criminal activity" actually is....we can all get a good laugh. Just print it all out on a paper towel, then roll it up tightly and then shove it way up where the sun don't shine.
@glitterbag,
So you have the internet, but not quite sure how it works?
Hmmm, that doesn't surprise me much, going on your past input.
@glitterbag,
You're about as effective as the French quarter in posting anything of note on this board, meaning wholly and soully ineffective.
Nice try, kids, but best you get a new party plan.
@blatham,
Quote:A couple of quibbles: First, though it is necessary to understand the broad dynamics of Taibbi's or Chomski's indictments, maintaining that framing of the subject tends to gloss over the real differences in media voices. Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity are not the same (nor are those who employ them). Taibbi and Limbaugh are not the same.
Not to delve into this too deeply, but I suspect that what he's getting at is similar to some of the Frankfurt School criticism. The form of our political culture is corrupted and debased by using a platform so intimately connected with the culture industry — taste-making and money-making. When I mildly criticized Maddow a few months ago it was for that — yup, definitely not Hannity, but I still see the signs of Madison Avenue and Hollywood. The artful pause, the coy tilt of the head, the dramatic revelation, that sort of thing. It all blurs together in the collective mind as packaged opinion waiting to be consumed.
@Builder,
Quote:Why does this not surprise me
You've lost the capacity for surprise, because you cannot consider or process ideas that contradict your worldview.
@glitterbag,
I don't even think Hillary is particularly bright. She didn't even see Trump coming. A freak footnote in history is what she is.
This said, you're probly right the reason why the cretins keep obsessing about her is that she's their excuse for Trump, their apparent reason to support Trump. She's the equivalent of Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984, whom the people are encouraged to hate as strongly as they can, in order to reinforce their ideological unity and allegiance to Big Brother.
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
I don't even think Hillary is particularly bright. She didn't even see Trump coming. A freak footnote in history is what she is.
This said, you're probly right the reason why the cretins keep obsessing about her is that she's their excuse for Trump, their apparent reason to support Trump. She's the equivalent of Emmanuel Goldstein in 1984, whom the people are encouraged to hate as strongly as they can, in order to reinforce their ideological unity and allegiance to Big Brother.
An honest assessment of the widespread shock on the morning of November 9, 2016 would tell you that Hillary Clinton wasn’t the exception in “not seeing Trump coming”. Pundits, politicians and rank-and-file folks all over the country (even Trump himself by most accounts) did not think Trump would win - right up until he won. So you’re saying they
all weren’t “particularly bright”?
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Quote:A couple of quibbles: First, though it is necessary to understand the broad dynamics of Taibbi's or Chomski's indictments, maintaining that framing of the subject tends to gloss over the real differences in media voices. Rachel Maddow and Sean Hannity are not the same (nor are those who employ them). Taibbi and Limbaugh are not the same.
Not to delve into this too deeply, but I suspect that what he's getting at is similar to some of the Frankfurt School criticism. The form of our political culture is corrupted and debased by using a platform so intimately connected with the culture industry — taste-making and money-making. When I mildly criticized Maddow a few months ago it was for that — yup, definitely not Hannity, but I still see the signs of Madison Avenue and Hollywood. The artful pause, the coy tilt of the head, the dramatic revelation, that sort of thing. It all blurs together in the collective mind as packaged opinion waiting to be consumed.
I’ve followed Maddow since she was an up and coming radio broadcaster on Air America. I’ve seen the change in her content and delivery and I think you’re right that it’s the taint of 24-hour-cable-news-Hollywood-hucksterism.