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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 01:42 pm
@Baldimo,
Considering that pretty much everything trump has sad then and since is a lie its hard to be positive about that. Also consider that 2 thirds of the country dont want the goods he is peddling and never have.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 01:50 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Also consider that 2 thirds of the country dont want the goods he is peddling and never have.

When are you going to say something you can actually prove? You certainly cannot prove that. Hyperbole and rhetoric mean nothing.
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Baldimo
 
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Wed 3 Jul, 2019 01:55 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Considering that pretty much everything trump has sad then and since is a lie its hard to be positive about that.

I have a hard time taking the "lies" into account seeing as how we have proof of the media lying about the things he has said and making stories out of nothing burgers. The media themselves have been caught in enough lies to make the majority of the US not trust the MSM. Trump calling MS-13 animals? Twisting his words about the Charletsville response? How about Russian collusion for the last 2 1/2 years? Covington kids? I could go on and on with the lies the media has been telling and pushing. Jussie Smolette? How about the lack of covering Antifa and their violence, just this past weekend a journalist was attacked and sent to the hospital with a brain bleed, 2 other elderly men were also attacked and sent to the hospital.

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Also consider that 2 thirds of the country dont want the goods he is peddling and never have.

2/3 of the country? Were do you get those numbers, more polls? The economy is responding just fine to what Trump is doing, in fact it is still doing better under Trump than it did under Obama. Income is up, uneployment is down and people are seeing the results, regardless of the BS the DNC is trying to sell.
coluber2001
 
  3  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:01 pm
@MontereyJack,
I think just calling Trump a liar is insufficient.I think he is an opportunistic egocentric and whether a statement is true or false is irrelevant to him. Convenience is the only consideration. If you lack a conscience lies and truths are the same, and to an egocentric other viewpoints don't exist.
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:04 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
2/3 of the country? Were do you get those numbers, more polls? The economy is responding just fine to what Trump is doing, in fact it is still doing better under Trump than it did under Obama. Income is up, uneployment is down and people are seeing the results, regardless of the BS the DNC is trying to sell.


The economy did wonderful for a time under both Hitler and Mussolini also.
Baldimo
 
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Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:06 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
I think just calling Trump a liar is insufficient.I think he is an opportunistic egocentric and whether a statement is true or false is irrelevant to him. Convenience is the only consideration. If you lack a conscience lies and truths are the same, and to an egocentric other viewpoints don't exist.

You just described a majority of the politicians in Congress and around the US. This is why there was so little "fact" checking of the DNC candidates on their debates performance. Here's a big lie, trans-women can't abortions, they don't have a uterus, why wasn't this simple lie not called out by the MSM?
BillRM
 
  2  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:13 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
I think just calling Trump a liar is insufficient.I think he is an opportunistic egocentric and whether a statement is true or false is irrelevant to him. Convenience is the only consideration. If you lack a conscience lies and truths are the same, and to an egocentric other viewpoints don't exist.

You just described a majority of the politicians in Congress and around the US. This is why there was so little "fact" checking of the DNC candidates on their debates performance. Here's a big lie, trans-women can't abortions, they don't have a uterus, why wasn't this simple lie not called out by the MSM?


LOL I just know I am going to regret answering this but who did claimed that Trans-women was having abortions?
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:14 pm
@BillRM,
Weakest response yet. Obama was much closer to those 2 than Trump any day. People like Hitler, Mussolini,Stalin, Obama and the rest of the DNC candidates with maybe 2 exceptions, are regulation happy, they want to control economies, not let them flourish. Every single "proposal" put out by the DNC candidates would kill our economy, Obama's own stagnant economy at the end of his 2nd term proved this. Trump reversed many of Obama's economy restrictions and we can see the results, in 2 years Trump has almost doubled Obama's MSM approved numbers.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 02:18 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
LOL I just know I am going to regret answering this but who did claimed that Trans-women was having abortions?


Julian Castro claimed he would provide them for free to trans-women... did you not watch the debate? That implies that they are getting them now and paying for them...

The media should have pointed out that it isn't possible for trans-women to have abortions, only biological women can have abortions.
BillRM
 
  1  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 05:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
LOL I just know I am going to regret answering this but who did claimed that Trans-women was having abortions?


Julian Castro claimed he would provide them for free to trans-women... did you not watch the debate? That implies that they are getting them now and paying for them...

The media should have pointed out that it isn't possible for trans-women to have abortions, only biological women can have abortions.


Sorry but a fast google search will show it is all over the media that error is not being hidden.

Next it is amusing that at least one democrat is as dumb as Trump.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 3 Jul, 2019 05:22 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Weakest response yet. Obama was much closer to those 2 than Trump any day. People like Hitler, Mussolini,Stalin, Obama and the rest of the DNC candidates with maybe 2 exceptions, are regulation happy, they want to control economies, not let them flourish. Every single "proposal" put out by the DNC candidates would kill our economy, Obama's own stagnant economy at the end of his 2nd term proved this. Trump reversed many of Obama's economy restrictions and we can see the results, in 2 years Trump has almost doubled Obama's MSM approved numbers.


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. snort
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 05:37 pm
@glitterbag,

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. snort

Clever? Never. Laughing Laughing Laughing
RABEL222
 
  2  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 06:29 pm
@coldjoint,
Considering that you believe that everything that comes out of the conservative mouth is truth and proven fact your not particularly clever yourself.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 07:14 pm
@RABEL222,
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Considering that you believe that everything that comes out of the conservative mouth is truth and proven fact your not particularly clever yourself.

A moving opinion piece there. Anything on topic or a recent post?
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MontereyJack
 
  -1  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 11:04 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo:
Quote:
Weakest response yet. Obama was much closer to those 2 than Trump any day. People like Hitler, Mussolini,Stalin, Obama and the rest of the DNC candidates with maybe 2 exceptions, are regulation happy, they want to control economies, not let them flourish. Every single "proposal" put out by the DNC candidates would kill our economy, Obama's own stagnant economy at the end of his 2nd term proved this. Trump reversed many of Obama's economy restrictions and we can see the results, in 2 years Trump has almost doubled Obama's MSM approved numbers

This is utter nonsense. AS has been ppointed out repeatedly,, Obama, applying Keynesian economics rescued the economy from the precipice of a new Depression which the GOP left him with W Trump inherited a stable growing economy which he essentially continued. There has been no .s deregs and starving regulatory agencies which llet the PRIVATE sector create risky new financial instruments which they falsely thought were essentially risk free. As a result of Obama's work the US economy showed steady growth and job gains for six solid years, no stagnant last two years. Trump inherited a stable growing economy from Obana and essentially kept it intact. There were no upticks in the graph lines for job growth or economic growth. The economy Obama left him was just a few months shy of reaching essentially full employment. Trump hit it on Ibama's schedule and of course claimed undeserved credit for it. Obama did the heavy lifting, not Trump. The regulations yo're bitching about reflevted, amng other things, essons learned from the Great Depression which kept us from suffering snother one for seventy years, until W. and the GOP forgot them and almost trashed the world as a result. And Trump is likelyheading us down the sae old fatal GOP track.
MontereyJack
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jul, 2019 11:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/05/09/trumps_economy_is_strong_obamas_was_better_140284.html the facts have been cited several times, and they never seem to sink in with the ideologically blindered right.
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hightor
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2019 05:54 am
Why Trump Likes Tanks

These hulking relics are part of the insidious nostalgia that undergirds his “Make America Great Again” ideology.

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In the winter of 2001, as a trainee at the Army’s combat engineer school at Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., I learned how to stop a tank dead in its tracks. I learned how to use tubular 40-pound cratering charges wrapped in blocks of C-4 to blow a ditch as deep and wide as a school bus. I learned to lay mines capable of blowing the tracks off a tank.

But even as I was learning those skills, they were already outdated. The collapse of the Soviet Union a decade earlier made it improbable that American troops would ever have to defend Western Europe against tanks. In 21st-century wars, we soldiers would almost never confront an enemy tank, though all of us would come to fear the enemy’s capacity to make a mockery of American armor using kitchen explosives.

With a few exceptions — the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the battle of Falluja in 2004 — the tank has become as irrelevant to modern warfare as the horse cavalry it replaced. Primarily designed to roll over fences and trenches and to knock out other tanks in World War I-type and World War II-type battles, tanks have been reduced to serving, in effect, as heavy, expensive bunkers. They struggle to maneuver anywhere but open terrain (which means they are as likely to become an obstacle as they are to breech one) and they bleed the supply chain (it takes about 10 gallons of fuel just to start an M1 Abrams tank, and its engines get fewer than two miles per gallon).

So what are we supposed to make of President Trump’s fascination with these hulking relics and his determination to display them in Washington during Thursday’s Fourth of July celebration?

Mr. Trump seems to see tanks as a symbol of military strength, of America’s ability to bend the world to its will by means of brute force and threats of “fire and fury.” Having avoided service in the Vietnam War by way of draft deferments, Mr. Trump has presumably never been closer to warfare than has a child playing on the floor with toy tanks and green plastic army men.

When your Persian rug is the battlefield, the tank does appear invincible. But American soldiers today are not fighting our enemies in our living rooms.

On the actual battlefields of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria, troops have been fighting local insurgencies and international jihadists who have perfected the art of the roadside bomb, but whose real strength lies in their mastery of the human terrain, winning “hearts and minds.” On this battlefield — the contested ground of policing and politics that endures years after the guns fall silent — tanks have no role. And this is the battlefield on which the United States has been losing.

We’re also fighting our enemies in cyberspace, where our defenses are notoriously weak. Tank pageantry ignores our vulnerabilities in the face of cyberthreats that go far beyond Russian interference in American elections. In 2011, Iran’s cyberwarfare unit hacked an American drone, landed it and went on to reverse-engineer it. North Korean hackers are trying to attack critical American infrastructure like banks, utilities and energy companies. Mr. Trump is conspicuously quiet about those threats, against which tanks, jets, warships and drones are powerless.

Mr. Trump’s fondness for tanks is part of the insidious nostalgia that undergirds his entire “Make America Great Again” ideology. It evokes a “simpler” time, when Gen. George Patton’s tanks saved the world from the Nazis, when winning the Cold War meant winning the arms race — a time before the Vietnam War forced the country to question the morality and wisdom of its “defense” industry, before an increasingly skeptical media revealed the truth about the My Lai massacre, the Iran-contra affair and torture at Abu Ghraib. Mr. Trump has promised his followers that he can take them back to that time — and they seem ready to believe him.

Mr. Trump is a wannabe strongman, and no doubt he sees in the tank what all strongmen see in tanks: a weapon to be used against his enemies, foreign or domestic. Though tanks over the past half century have been used only rarely in their strategic combat role, they have been used often to repress popular uprisings — a tool of practical and psychological warfare against unarmed civilians from the Eastern Bloc of the Soviet Union to Tiananmen Square. By displaying tanks in our nation’s capital, Mr. Trump signals that he is willing to use the military for personal political purposes, as he did in May when the White House asked the Navy to hide the U.S.S. John McCain during his trip to Japan.

Apparently, during Thursday’s Fourth of July celebration, Mr. Trump’s cherished tanks will have to be stationed in a “static display,” because driving them into position would damage Washington’s streets. A stationary display is all too fitting, for it is the most common posture of tanks on the modern battlefield. Like President Trump’s false promises, they won’t be going anywhere.

nyt
coldjoint
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2019 06:46 am
@hightor,
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Why Trump Likes Tanks

Kennedy liked tanks, Eisenhower liked tanks, Dukaukis actually drove one during his failed presidential campaign in 1988. Trump is celebrating an American holiday.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jul, 2019 10:14 am
@coldjoint,
Trump has showm his narcissistic love for grandiose military parades most often held by autocratic rulers of authoritarian states and now he's figured out a way to hold what amounts to a masive asmpaign rally at taxpayer expense and make itall about what he sees as his own ma.gnificence. Not patriotism, sheer self-aggrandizement.
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glitterbag
 
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Thu 4 Jul, 2019 10:26 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:

Why Trump Likes Tanks

Kennedy liked tanks, Eisenhower liked tanks, Dukaukis actually drove one during his failed presidential campaign in 1988. Trump is celebrating an American holiday.


Ahem...Kennedy, Eisenhower and Dukakis all served in the Military. Corporal Bone Spurs is attempting to co-op Independence Day and rebrand it as a Republican celebration of Trump.
 

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