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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 04:25 am
@coluber2001,
coluber2001 wrote:

If that's not insanity, then I don't know WTF is.


How about this?

Quote:
US energy officials appeared to rebrand natural gas produced in the country as "freedom gas", in a statement announcing an increase in exports.

The US Department of Energy said the expansion of a Texas facility meant more "molecules of US freedom" could be produced and exported worldwide.

The facility, based in Quintana, produces liquified natural gas (LNG).

The move was a clear indication of US commitment to promoting clean energy, the statement said.

But the rebranding comes amid a Trump administration push to roll back climate change legislation introduced by Mr Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama, which targeted vehicle emissions.

Shortly after taking office, Mr Trump announced the US would withdraw from the 2015 Paris climate change agreement, saying that he wanted to negotiate a new "fair" deal that would not disadvantage US businesses and workers.

The move was decried by climate change scientists and campaigners, and Mr Trump has faced accusations of hampering global efforts to cut carbon emissions.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48454674
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 30 May, 2019 05:58 am
@izzythepush,
The US Department of Energy is on its path to "energy dominance" with bizarre re-branding: two Department of Energy officials used the terms "freedom gas" and "molecules of US freedom" to replace the average, everyday term "natural gas":
- Under Secretary of Energy Mark W. Menezes unveiled the term "freedom gas" in the release, which notes that he highlighted the approval at the Clean Energy Ministerial in Vancouver, Canada.
- Steven Winberg, the assistant secretary for fossil energy, said the department is promoting an efficient regulatory system to enable "molecules of U.S. freedom to be exported to the world".

DoE release: Department of Energy Authorizes Additional LNG Exports from Freeport LNG
livinglava
 
  -1  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The US Department of Energy is on its path to "energy dominance" with bizarre re-branding: two Department of Energy officials used the terms "freedom gas" and "molecules of US freedom" to replace the average, everyday term "natural gas":
- Under Secretary of Energy Mark W. Menezes unveiled the term "freedom gas" in the release, which notes that he highlighted the approval at the Clean Energy Ministerial in Vancouver, Canada.
- Steven Winberg, the assistant secretary for fossil energy, said the department is promoting an efficient regulatory system to enable "molecules of U.S. freedom to be exported to the world".

DoE release: Department of Energy Authorizes Additional LNG Exports from Freeport LNG

I think they're just mocking Russian gas exports to Europe by creating a blatantly laughable marketing campaign that is sure to draw ridicule from anti-Americans globally.
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snood
 
  4  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:13 am
I’ve gone back and forth on the impeachment question. I can see both sides, and both sides have salient points. On one hand, impeachment would be the Congress doing the job they are sanctioned by the Constitution to do – it is the only remedy they are lawfully provided, for an out of control executive. To not impeach because of the potential backfire effect of improving Trump’s electoral position would be like cops not arresting a known criminal because it might enable him to get famous and write a book.

This side of the argument says it is urgent and imperative to impeach Trump now – because it is simply the right thing to do, and not doing it makes us weaker. Understandably our offended sense of justice makes us cry out for an urgent response to the ongoing damage of this presidency.

On the other hand, since impeachment now would most certainly end in acquittal in the Senate, it is not the best remedy for the disease to our system called Trump. It would allow him and his forces to focus and hone their message to a succinct, “that issue has been litigated and it’s time to move on”.

As it is now, Trump must constantly try to plug more holes in the dike than he has fingers for – many investigations on many fronts going on simultaneously. If he is impeached and acquitted, he could turn the 2020 election into a referendum on the Democrats’ methods in Congress, instead of the man’s wrongdoing in the presidency, in the campaign, and in private life.

As I said I’ve gone back and forth. As much as it grieves me to see this wretched, juvenile, addle-brained man continue day to day, today I am with those who say ‘wait’. Continue to collect and expose information about his financial, legal, and personal messes. Allow investigations by Congressional committees and state attorneys general to play out. Keep the spotlight on just how bad of a president and man he is, and don’t allow them to shrug it all off with an “it’s been litigated”.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:23 am
@snood,
It is hardly the right thing to do. Given that these leftist witch hunts have a history of fabricating obstruction charges against innocent people (Scooter Libby for example), there is no reason to think that the accusations against Trump are even true.

Even if the charges were actually true, the Democrats have already set a precedent with Bill Clinton that obstruction of justice does not warrant removal from office.

Trump is not in any way out of control. The only people who are out of control here are the Democrats. There is a strong argument for outlawing the Democratic Party for the good of the country.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:39 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Even if the charges were actually true, the Democrats have already set a precedent with Bill Clinton that obstruction of justice does not warrant removal from office.


Fine. Semantics over punishment doesn't really concern me. Being impeached for obstruction of justice will go down in American history. Fine him $25K, a drop in the bucket for him. Having that conviction for the American people? Priceless.
Brand X
 
  3  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:50 am
Michael Tracey

Verified account

@mtracey
29m29 minutes ago
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Two significant new backers of impeachment after the Mueller statement yesterday:

Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA) -- chairman of Rules Committee
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) -- chairman of Homeland Security Committee

As more chairs endorse, Pelosi's equivocation will be less tenable
livinglava
 
  -2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:52 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:

oralloy wrote:
Even if the charges were actually true, the Democrats have already set a precedent with Bill Clinton that obstruction of justice does not warrant removal from office.


Fine. Semantics over punishment doesn't really concern me. Being impeached for obstruction of justice will go down in American history. Fine him $25K, a drop in the bucket for him. Having that conviction for the American people? Priceless.

The whole idea of impeaching Trump for colluding with Russia is so ironic considering how much socialism was pursued at the global level throughout the 20th century.

It would be like if someone against the illegal drug trade figured out they could disrupt the trade by selling drugs laced with laxatives to drug users and then the dealers got angry about it and had the person arrested for drug dealing.

The Democrats are FOR global socialist economic coordination and that is why they hate Trump for making an issue out of international smuggling and raising tariffs to create trade wars and otherwise destabilizing global/socialist trade patterns.

Trump is making international trade more difficult so investment banks that fund the tax revenues of wealthy welfare states of Europe and other wealthy families globally can't exploit the US to their advantage.

If allowed to do so, the Democrats would keep the US in a perpetual state of maximum spending (government and consumer) in order to create opportunities for everyone in the world to capitalize on US economic waste, so that they can export and import the things they need to create good quality of life at a fraction of the level of expenditures taking place in the US.

How is that not economic collusion?
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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:54 am
@snood,
Quote:
Keep the spotlight on just how bad of a president and man he is, and don’t allow them to shrug it all off with an “it’s been litigated”.


You are right. Kind of what most of the conventional wisdom have concluded. I wish it were otherwise. I wish we had the same kind of people in office in congress as they had during the Nixon years. But we don't. We have the likes McConnell and Graham.
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 06:58 am
@izzythepush,
"Freedom gas?" Good lord. Rolling Eyes Might as have called it freedom fries. Sometimes we are so embarrassing.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 07:11 am
@revelette1,
Now, today, Trump acknowledged for the first time that Russia had helped him win in 2016.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/tZ3o6hJ.jpg


According to the Washington Post, however, shortly after posting the above tweet, he told reporters at the White House that Russia had not helped him get elected.
livinglava
 
  -1  
Thu 30 May, 2019 07:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Now, today, Trump acknowledged for the first time that Russia had helped him win in 2016.

Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/tZ3o6hJ.jpg


According to the Washington Post, however, shortly after posting the above tweet, he told reporters at the White House that Russia had not helped him get elected.

If Trump didn't collude, that means all he did was make an open public statement inviting assistance. Free speech allows you to say things like that. You're not offering payment or otherwise proposing a contract for services. You're just expressing a wish/hope that may or may not come true; like saying, "I hope it rains soon because it's been getting really dry lately." If someone hears your hope for rain and flies a bucket plane over your property to dump a load of water on your yard, that's not collusion; it's someone acting independently based on something they thought would be good to do based on something they heard someone else say.

Saying that Trump colluded with Russia is like saying that Greta Thunberg is colluding with the governments of the world to stop climate change. She is just speaking freely and making compelling arguments about what should be done; and it's up to those listening to make independent decisions about what actions would be good to take. In other words, it's voluntary cooperation; not collusion.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 07:25 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It is the thought that he didn't win on his own which offends him so much he resisted all the intelligence into the Russian meddling of the 2016 election. Which is why he obstructed justice to try and stop it all along the way, every chance he could and in some cases tried and was stopped by others in his administration. The fact the US was attacked by Russia in a propaganda war mattered not a bit to him. If Russia had attacked the US in a bid to help Hillary win the election and failed, it would have been a different kettle of fish.

And you know some posters on this thread act as though there was no reason to suspect Trump in regards to Russia in his public statements and actions both in his campaign and after he was sworn in as President when he in fact gave every appearance of being in favor of Russia. Of course that would make him look guilty. Moreover, there were contacts within the Trump campaign and Russian government and intelligence officials. For some reason those contacts never panned out into a collaboration. So the Russian investigation itself wasn't a witch-hunt, but a legitimate investigation with probable cause to conduct one. If only Trump had just let the investigation proceed in it's natural course, instead of obstructing justice, he would not have committed a crime which had the effect of making it seem he did in fact collaborate with Russia. But he did, but because you can't indict a President and we have a corrupt Senate, we are left with our hands tied.


Sorry for the rant. personally this whole thing upsets so much, I hate to see someone getting away with something.
snood
 
  2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 07:43 am
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:

Michael Tracey

Verified account

@mtracey
29m29 minutes ago
More
Two significant new backers of impeachment after the Mueller statement yesterday:

Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA) -- chairman of Rules Committee
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-MS) -- chairman of Homeland Security Committee


As more chairs endorse, Pelosi's equivocation will be less tenable


Do you think they should impeach?
livinglava
 
  -2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 08:17 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It is the thought that he didn't win on his own which offends him so much he resisted all the intelligence into the Russian meddling of the 2016 election. Which is why he obstructed justice to try and stop it all along the way, every chance he could and in some cases tried and was stopped by others in his administration. The fact the US was attacked by Russia in a propaganda war mattered not a bit to him. If Russia had attacked the US in a bid to help Hillary win the election and failed, it would have been a different kettle of fish.

And you know some posters on this thread act as though there was no reason to suspect Trump in regards to Russia in his public statements and actions both in his campaign and after he was sworn in as President when he in fact gave every appearance of being in favor of Russia. Of course that would make him look guilty. Moreover, there were contacts within the Trump campaign and Russian government and intelligence officials. For some reason those contacts never panned out into a collaboration. So the Russian investigation itself wasn't a witch-hunt, but a legitimate investigation with probable cause to conduct one. If only Trump had just let the investigation proceed in it's natural course, instead of obstructing justice, he would not have committed a crime which had the effect of making it seem he did in fact collaborate with Russia. But he did, but because you can't indict a President and we have a corrupt Senate, we are left with our hands tied.


Sorry for the rant. personally this whole thing upsets so much, I hate to see someone getting away with something.

The root cause of all this anti-Trumpism is a global network of socialists who abuse US government, elections, etc. as a means of making the US economy into a cog within a larger global economy.

There is nothing wrong with free trade globally, but it is not currently free. It is highly-structured trade, which is structured in the interest of investment banks that seek to control economies to exploit them for certain purposes so that certain other governments/welfare-states can benefit.

So, for example, China is used as a cheap industrial/manufacturing production region, while the US is used as a big-spending consumer market. If investors can produce unlimited cheap goods in China and ship them to the US where everyone is driving around in cars, buying expensive health care, driving up infrastructure costs, etc. then that makes the US a fatter calf for the vampires to extract blood/money from. Then, because China is producing so much so cheaply, they can use the money they make in the US to buy what little they need.

Keeping pharmaceutical cheaper outside the US also helps exploit the US for free drugs for everyone else. If you sell a pill for $200 in the US that costs $1 outside the US, you can buy 200 such pills by selling a single one in the US.

But how do you keep US people paying $200 per pill? By juicing up the insurance industry to pay the costs, as per ACA insurance mandate. How then do you make the economy churn up enough money to afford expensive insurance? By keeping everyone buying expensive cars, expensive houses, and everything else you can get them to buy in various ways.

Consumerism is how the US gets exploited to benefit everyone else globally, and the media is heavily invested to whitewash and promote consumerist values, not only by advertising but by all the sets and costumes designed to promote new purchases of everything from clothes to furniture to interior design. It is a massive money game that drives US people into debt, and causes politics to resist reforms that would make more affordable choices available to the public, including alternative transportation, more affordable/sustainable infrastructure, etc.

It is a bad joke to be angry at Trump and the Russians who made some silly political propaganda while ignoring the grand global collusion to make the US into an easy hunting ground for the sharks of global capitalism, who are leashed to the tax-masters of global welfare states to provide the tax-funding that all those people need to live for free, get free drugs/health-care, etc. etc.
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 30 May, 2019 09:23 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Having that conviction for the American people? Priceless.

Don't you mean having that conviction for the Leftists and DNC? The majority of the American people I don't think care either way. They see a political game, and I think it is going to work against the DNC.
revelette1
 
  1  
Thu 30 May, 2019 09:26 am
@Baldimo,
Do you have poll which says if American's believe Trump committed obstruction of Justice or not? Bear in mind, that question is a whole different question of impeachment or "collusion." To your mind who fits in the category of leftist? What about all the opinions of learned constitutional lawyers and other kind of specialized lawyers out there, do you naturally conclude they are leftist?
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 30 May, 2019 09:30 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Do you have poll which says if American's believe Trump committed obstruction of Justice or not?

No, I talk to people who don't follow politics, like we do on A2K. The majority of people I talk to don't care. They think this is all a political stunt by both parties.

Quote:
Bear in mind, that question is a whole different question of impeachment or "collusion."

They don't want to see impeachment, mostly because they don't fully understand what is going on.

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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 30 May, 2019 09:42 am
@coluber2001,
Quote:
If that's not insanity, then I don't know WTF is.

The insanity is complaining about a president doing things that he can do. Everyone does not have to like it, and it means nothing in this case if they do not. Period.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 30 May, 2019 09:48 am
@izzythepush,
How about this?
Quote:
British hostage-keeper reveals extent of his horrific role within Islamic State

Quote:
But for the first time, Kotey has confessed to helping organise the plot and direct funds to help finance terrorism around the world.
Kotey has admitted to extracting information from ISIS hostages

These people roam freely in your country and the ones that are caught have no remorse or regret. The UK turns out killers nurtured in the UK on Islam.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-hostage-keeper-reveals-horrific-16215523
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