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@oralloy,

Muller said if they found Trump innocent they would have said so in the report. Conservatives have declared Muller a liar, a truthful individual back and forth since this investigation started. Could one of you clarify which he is?

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@RABEL222,

Is there something confusing about the principle of innocent until proven guilty?

I don't know if Mueller is lying or not because I have not paid any attention to anything that he has said.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

Muller said if they found Trump innocent they would have said so in the report. Conservatives have declared Muller a liar, a truthful individual back and forth since this investigation started. Could one of you clarify which he is?

You can't ever find anyone innocent. They are considered innocent until proven guilty.

Saying that someone hasn't been found innocent, therefore, is a way of implying they are not innocent for an audience who fails to presume innocence prior to a guilty verdict.

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@livinglava,

I see no evidence that the leftists who post in this thread are innocent of bank robbery.

Twisted Evil

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@oralloy,

I have seen no evidence that shows oralloy is innocent of genocide.

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@RABEL222,

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Muller

Is a hack tasked with bringing the president down. So far he has failed. All he said is keep going until you find or can make up a crime.

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@MontereyJack,

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to these witch hunts.

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@oralloy,

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I don't know if Mueller is lying or not because I have not paid any attention to anything that he has said.

Then you have nothing to add to the conversation.

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@livinglava,

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“As set forth in our report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that,” he said.

source

It really don't take a rocket scientist to decipher that sentence.

Mueller did not decide on Trump guilt of obstruction because you can't indict a president. If there was no evidence of an obstruction charge they would simply said that. The investigators left it up to congress in their role as oversight to take the evidence Mueller collected in the reported on and decide for themselves whether to impeach the President on charges of obstruction.

All the spin in the world really can't take away from the above conclusion.

You know if Trump would have just let the investigation play itself out, it would went far better for him. But he didn't. Instead he acted as a criminal with something to hide and tried his best to stop the investigation. He wasn't interested at all in the role Russia played in the election because in his mind I guess it makes it look like he didn't win on his own.

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@revelette1,

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Then you have nothing to add to the conversation.

No one has anything to add because the conversation is over. It is now just a matter of beating the dead horse some more.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Then you have nothing to add to the conversation.

Sure I do.

For instance, I can point out that these leftist witch hunts have an established history of fabricating obstruction charges against innocent people (Scooter Libby for example), so there is no reason to trust their accusations this time.

And I can point out that when Bill Clinton committed the very same obstruction that Trump is accused of, Democrats saw to it that he was not removed from office and only had to pay a $25,000 fine. It would now be wrong to hold Trump to a different standard.

I can also suggest solutions to the problem, like outlawing the Democratic Party so that they are no longer able to conduct witch hunts against everyone who disagrees with them.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

It really don't take a rocket scientist to decipher that sentence.
Mueller did not decide on Trump guilt of obstruction because you can't indict a president. If there was no evidence of an obstruction charge they would simply said that.

I see no evidence that you're not a bank robber. Can you prove that you're innocent?

revelette1 wrote:

You know if Trump would have just let the investigation play itself out, it would went far better for him. But he didn't. Instead he acted as a criminal with something to hide and tried his best to stop the investigation.

Witch hunters never like it when their victims try to defend themselves.

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The White House asked the Navy to hide a destroyer named after Senator John McCain in order to avoid having the ship appear in photographs taken while President Trump was visiting Japan this week, White House and military officials said Wednesday.

Navy Times: White House tells Navy to keep destroyer McCain ‘out of sight’ during Trump visit to Japan

NYT: White House Asked Navy to Hide McCain Warship

AIS-data

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@Walter Hinteler,

The NYT is such a credible source, and guess what, no one cares except the haters.

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@coldjoint,

Neither the Navy Times report nor the AIS-data nor the President's tweet are via the NYT.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The White House asked the Navy to hide a destroyer named after Senator John McCain in order to avoid having the ship appear in photographs taken while President Trump was visiting Japan this week, White House and military officials said Wednesday.

Navy Times: White House tells Navy to keep destroyer McCain ‘out of sight’ during Trump visit to Japan

NYT: White House Asked Navy to Hide McCain Warship

AIS-data

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If that's not insanity, then I don't know WTF is.

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@coluber2001,

Maybe just petty.

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@roger,

That reminds my about my navy time, when ships returned after a longer absence to their home port, only the starboard side had been freshly painted ... and they had to lay alongside with the port side.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

revelette1 wrote:
It really don't take a rocket scientist to decipher that sentence.
Mueller did not decide on Trump guilt of obstruction because you can't indict a president. If there was no evidence of an obstruction charge they would simply said that.

I see no evidence that you're not a bank robber. Can you prove that you're innocent?

revelette1 wrote:
You know if Trump would have just let the investigation play itself out, it would went far better for him. But he didn't. Instead he acted as a criminal with something to hide and tried his best to stop the investigation.

Witch hunters never like it when their victims try to defend themselves.

I am confused as who the victims you are referring to, is it the men and women who gave funds to the so call Trump University, is it the workers who was never paid for the work they did on the Trump Casinos,was it the members of the NJ Muslim community who Trump claim falsely was cheering on roof tops while the twin towers came down, or was it the children taken from their parents at the US border????

With such a vast universe of victims could you narrow it down somewhat please?

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@BillRM,

The victims would be all the Republicans that you are mounting an unjustified witch hunt against -- people like Donald Trump and Scooter Libby.

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