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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:25 am
Mueller just repeated what we have already heard. He more or less repeated Democratic talking points and wants impeachment because the conspiracy to get Trump failed miserably.
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revelette1
 
  1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:29 am
Mueller resigns as special counsel, addresses Russia report
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:31 am
@coldjoint,
Why do you think he consulted exoerts? He doesnt believe in them. He goes by his gut, a notoriously part of human anatomy.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:32 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Why do you think he consulted exoerts?

You made the claim, back it up. If you cannot say so.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:38 am
@coldjoint,
Its your claim.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 29 May, 2019 09:49 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Its your claim.

No. You said his injuries were not what was reported, now prove it. In fact, prove anything you say. Until then it is just your opinion and you are a brainwashed useful idiot that stopped thinking for himself long ago.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 29 May, 2019 10:47 am
Quote:
US National Security Adviser John Bolton has said "naval mines almost certainly from Iran" were to blame for the damage to oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.

Mr Bolton provided no evidence to support the allegation, which Iran said was "laughable".

The attacks off the eastern coast of the United Arab Emirates on 12 May left holes in the hulls of four ships.

The incident came amid an escalation in tensions between Iran and the US.

Last Friday, US Vice Admiral Michael Gilday said he believed "with a high degree of confidence that this [attack] stems back to the leadership of Iran at the highest levels".

Mr Bolton, a long-standing advocate for regime change in Iran, echoed the admiral's words during a visit to the UAE on Wednesday, telling reporters it was "clear that Iran is behind" the attack.

"There's no doubt in anybody's mind in Washington who's responsible for this," he said. "Who else would you think is doing it? Someone from Nepal?"

But Abbas Mousavi, Iran's foreign ministry spokesman, rejected Mr Bolton's accusations.

"Raising this ludicrous claim in a meeting of those with a long history of anti-Iran policies is not strange," he told Fars news agency.

"Iran's strategic patience, vigilance and defensive prowess will defuse mischievous plots made by Bolton and other warmongers."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48443454
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 29 May, 2019 10:50 am
@coldjoint,
I thought you were talking avouut the previous post. ne You went much farther back. It was oraalloywho reintroduced trayvn. You will notice he gave no factss, just his opinion. Why don't you give him ****. Following his lead, I put in what I took away from following the case in some detail. Oralloy really had a lot of imaginary details in his past posts on reayvon. I'm not going to gites for your previous posts above. yOURE NO MORE RELIAVLE THAN HE IS, AND I AM FLAT NOT GOING TO GO THRU THE WHOLE THING AGAIN. Zimmerman was bogus and gave every indication of lying as he did with great facility. bad wanna-be cop, bad shooting,
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:24 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The Trayvon case was about a kid returning home from a convenience store to watch the b-ball game, talking on his cellphone with his friend,

Unfortunately Trayvon decided to try to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch on his way home.


MontereyJack wrote:
The Trayvon case was about a kid returning home from a convenience store to watch the b-ball game, talking on his ceollphone with his friend, who was profiled by an unknown guy not ion uniform, eho Trayvon thought was crazy. Trayvon ran away to escape confrontation with the crazy guy.

The evidence shows very clearly that Trayvon came up to Mr. Zimmerman, initiated the confrontation, and attempted to murder Mr. Zimmerman.


MontereyJack wrote:
The crazy guy pursued him, for two blocks, cornered him in his own backyard,

There was no pursuit to Trayvon's back yard. Trayvon tried to murder Mr. Zimmerman far away from his back yard.


MontereyJack wrote:
grabbed him

Mr. Zimmerman did not grab Trayvon. Trayvon assaulted Mr. Zimmerman and was on top of him pounding his head against the concrete sidewalk.


MontereyJack wrote:
and pulled a gun on him, which Trayvon in danger for his life by the crazy guy had every right to try to take the gun away.

Black people who are in the process of murdering police officers (or neighborhood watch captains) do not have any right to seize the guns of those police officers and neighborhood watch captains.


MontereyJack wrote:
The crazy guy, shown by his history before and after to be an inveterate liar, concoted a false story

I don't know about any evidence that Mr. Zimmerman lied. However, whatever Mr. Zimmerman said doesn't even matter. It is the actual physical evidence that shows that Trayvon was trying to murder Mr. Zimmerman, and that Mr. Zimmerman only fired in self defense.


MontereyJack wrote:
and got awasy with murder at the trial, according to jurors.

Defending yourself when a black person is trying to murder you is not murder.


MontereyJack wrote:
That''s the Trayvon real story, as borne out by physical and auditory evidence.

The evidence shows that Trayvon tried to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch, and was shot in self defense.


MontereyJack wrote:
Bad wanna-be cop, bad shooting.

When people defend themselves from a black person who is trying to murder them, that's a good shooting.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:26 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The auditory evidence was from his phone conversation with his friend.

You mean the friend who was proven to be lying about the entire event?


MontereyJack wrote:
Zimmerman is a known multiple liar.

I don't know about that, but what he said doesn't even matter. The physical evidence speaks for itself.


MontereyJack wrote:
he had one minor cut on his head which didn't need treatment inconsistent with claimed multiple pounding of his head on ground.

Being cut and bleeding on the back of his head is quite consistent with having his head banged against concrete.


MontereyJack wrote:
Also no zim dna on trayvon inconsistent with claimed attack.

The evidence that Mr. Zimmerman had stopped his pursuit, and that the fight occurred when Trayvon came up to Mr. Zimmerman, is certainly consistent with the claimed attack.
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hightor
 
  3  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:27 am
The Trump administration takes climate denial to new heights

Quote:
Fifty or 100 years from now, we may well say that President Trump’s concerted effort to exacerbate climate change — and that’s precisely what it is — was the single worst thing he did in a presidency full of horrors. A new report from the New York Times gives new details about just how diabolical his administration’s actions have been:

In the next few months, the White House will complete the rollback of the most significant federal effort to curb greenhouse-gas emissions, initiated during the Obama administration. It will expand its efforts to impose Mr. Trump’s hard-line views on other nations, building on his retreat from the Paris accord and his recent refusal to sign a communiqué to protect the rapidly melting Arctic region unless it was stripped of any references to climate change.

And, in what could be Mr. Trump’s most consequential action yet, his administration will seek to undermine the very science on which climate change policy rests.


The goal appears to be to keep the government from ever confirming that climate change exists and, failing that, to do everything it can to make it look less serious than it is. The administration also plans to create a new panel to downplay climate change and discredit legitimate science on the topic, led by National Security Council senior director William Happer, who once said, “The demonization of carbon dioxide is just like the demonization of the poor Jews under Hitler.”

But I have to draw particular attention to this part of the Times report, discussing how the administration wants to neuter the National Climate Assessment, which the government produces every few years:

A key change, he said, would be to emphasize historic temperatures rather than models of future atmospheric temperatures, and to eliminate the “worst-case scenarios” of the effect of increased carbon dioxide pollution — sometimes referred to as “business as usual” scenarios because they imply no efforts to curb emissions.

While this is going on, the administration has taken a broad range of actions seemingly designed to increase carbon emissions, including moving to roll back emissions-limiting regulations on power plants and vehicles and open up public land to fossil-fuel development. (You can read a list of the actions here.)

So while the Trump administration is doing everything it can to prevent any reduction in carbon emissions, it is simultaneously trying to stop government scientists from explaining what will happen if we don’t reduce carbon emissions. That is simply mind-boggling.

This is on its way to becoming the most radically pernicious administration on climate change in history. In fact, the Trump administration is placing itself on the outer edge of opinion even within the Republican Party. With the evidence of climate change becoming impossible to deny and young voters in particular increasingly contemptuous of politicians who try, many Republicans are gingerly stepping out of the denialist bubble, even if what they propose to do about the problem is modest at best. “Denying the basic existence of climate change is no longer a credible position,” said Republican political consultant Whit Ayres.

So it isn’t as though there’s some kind of political benefit to be gained from this kind of attack on the future of humanity and every other species on the planet. You couldn’t even argue that Trump is doing it because it’s something he feels strongly about. Though it’s true that the president used to believe that climate change is a hoax concocted by the Chinese and now takes a denialist position that is only slightly less deranged (“Something’s changing, and it’ll change back again”), it’s not like he cares so deeply about this issue that he’d be demanding this kind of full-bore assault on every shred of climate-science integrity in the federal government if the people he appointed weren’t pushing in that direction. It’s not that he objects, but I’d guess that he’s only vaguely aware of the particulars of what’s going on in his administration on this issue.

So the explanation may lie in a theory I’ve had for some time about why a president with no real commitment to conservative ideology — something that in 2016 made many conservatives extremely nervous — could wind up running the most extreme right-wing administration in memory. Outside of a couple of issues including trade and immigration, Trump has almost no interest in the details of policy. Combine that with his intense focus on appealing to only his base, and the fact that working for Trump necessarily entails a substantial risk to one’s reputation.

The result is that the Trump administration is overwhelmingly staffed with two kinds of people: grifters who see in Trump a model for their own corrupt ambitions, and extremist ideologues who see in his indifference to policy an opportunity to indulge their wildest fantasies of swinging the United States in a retrograde direction.

A different Republican president might at least impose some guardrails on this war on science, if for no other reason than to pretend for political purposes that they cared about the fate of the Earth. But precisely because he doesn’t much care what most of the federal government does, Trump is letting the radicals he appointed run wild.

Imagine that the government decided to provide subsidies to tobacco companies, actively encouraged people to take up smoking, then instructed the National Institutes of Health to not only shut down its cancer research but to also cease all mentions of the word “cancer.” That is pretty much what the Trump administration is doing on climate. And we’re all going to pay the price.

wp
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:28 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It was oraalloy who reintroduced trayvn.

Not exactly. You had incorrectly stated that none of the BLM cases were about attempts to murder cops.

That brought up the issue of all the cases where BLM goons were in fact trying to murder law enforcement.


MontereyJack wrote:
You will notice he gave no facts, just his opinion.

Wrong. I gave facts.


MontereyJack wrote:
Why don't you give him ****.

Probably because everything that I said is true.


MontereyJack wrote:
Following his lead, I put in what I took away from following the case in some detail.

It is noteworthy that everything that you said is contradicted by evidence.


MontereyJack wrote:
Oralloy really had a lot of imaginary details in his past posts on reayvon.

Everything that I said is backed up by evidence.


MontereyJack wrote:
Zimmerman was bogus and gave every indication of lying as he did with great facility.

Nothing that Mr. Zimmerman said changes the fact that the evidence shows that Trayvon was trying to murder him and that he fired in self defense.


MontereyJack wrote:
bad wanna-be cop, bad shooting,

That is incorrect. When people defend themselves from black people who are trying to murder them, that's a good shooting.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:45 am
@oralloy,
White people succeeded in murdering innocent black people. /Yjat was the monstrous truth BLM was protesting.Allbthey have wanted is not to be killed. Zim chase Trayvon, grabbed him and pulled his gun. Trasyvon didn't wabt to be killed. that was all. zim killed him.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 11:57 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
White people succeeded in murdering innocent black people.

Self defense is not murder.


MontereyJack wrote:
That was the monstrous truth BLM was protesting.

BLM is about protesting the fact that police officers are allowed to defend themselves when black people try to murder them.


MontereyJack wrote:
All they have wanted is not to be killed.

Then they should stop trying to murder police officers.


MontereyJack wrote:
Zim chase Trayvon, grabbed him and pulled his gun.

The evidence shows that Mr. Zimmerman did not chase Trayvon and did not grab him.

Rather, the evidence shows that Travon attacked Mr. Zimmerman and tried to murder him.


MontereyJack wrote:
Trayvon didn't want to be killed. that was all.

Then he shouldn't have been trying to murder the captain of the neighborhood watch.


MontereyJack wrote:
zim killed him.

People have the right to defend themselves when black people try to murder them.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:02 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
The Trump administration takes climate denial to new heights

Meh. Since the science is based on tainted data, who cares what it says?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:03 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
US National Security Adviser John Bolton has said "naval mines almost certainly from Iran" were to blame for the damage to oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman earlier this month.

I hope I live to see the day when Iran has to answer for all of their atrocities.
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livinglava
 
  0  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

White people succeeded in murdering innocent black people. /Yjat was the monstrous truth BLM was protesting.Allbthey have wanted is not to be killed. Zim chase Trayvon, grabbed him and pulled his gun. Trasyvon didn't wabt to be killed. that was all. zim killed him.

Why define it in terms of race? How do we know that both Zim and Martin weren't engaged in some kind of transaction that turned conflictual and the subsequent fight and eventual shooting didn't result from that? E.g. what if Martin was bringing drugs to Zimmerman and they got in a dispute over the price, or what if Martin was coming to pick up drugs from Zimmerman, who was a larger distributor, and Martin failed to bring enough money to satisfy him? What if there was prostitution or some other kind of sexual thing going on?

Anyway, the point is that when people get into fights and kill each other, race might be involved, but other issues might be involved too and if those other issues weren't involved, racism might not have led to fighting/killing. This doesn't make racism less of an issue, but it does mean that every fight killing isn't just about people killing each other over their race; though that may happen in some cases too. How can we ever really know what all is behind a fight/killing unless the people involved have shared everything about their thought-process with you and kept no secrets? Do you think people involved in crime have not learned to keep secrets from even the people closest to them? If Zimmerman and/or Martin were involved in drug trafficking activity that their closest family members would be in on it, or would they keep it a secret from even them to protect everyone involved from detection. In fact, who's to say whether Martin was killed to keep him quiet for some reason and/or whether Zimmerman is still under threat to keep quiet or have his family killed?

The principle of stand-your-ground is reasonable, but that doesn't mean people can't and won't abuse it. The alternative to it is to allow people to threaten and bully others into retreating and then punish them if the victims stand up for themselves. If stand-your-ground laws were revoked, do you think the number of instances of threats, harassment, bullying, etc. wouldn't increase? It is a tragedy when anyone is killed because of stand-your-ground laws or otherwise, but it is also a tragedy that so many people abuse and bully others in various ways, so there is no way out that doesn't involve legalizing some violence against some people, one way or the other.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:15 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
Why define it in terms of race?

Because BLM goons want black people to be allowed to murder police officers with impunity. They are not advocating for anyone else to be allowed to murder police officers.


livinglava wrote:
How do we know that both Zim and Martin weren't engaged in some kind of transaction that turned conflictual and the subsequent fight and eventual shooting didn't result from that?

Because Mr. Zimmerman was the captain of the neighborhood watch and was reporting Trayvon's suspicious behavior to the police.


livinglava wrote:
The principle of stand-your-ground is reasonable, but that doesn't mean people can't and won't abuse it.

This case didn't have anything to do with stand your ground laws. Trayvon had Mr. Zimmerman on the ground and was on top of him pounding his head against a concrete sidewalk.
livinglava
 
  0  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:36 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

livinglava wrote:
Why define it in terms of race?

Because BLM goons want black people to be allowed to murder police officers with impunity. They are not advocating for anyone else to be allowed to murder police officers.

I don't pay attention to 'movements' because anyone can gain access to the media to say whatever they want in the name of 'the movement.' What's more, anyone can pay anyone involved to say whatever they want them to say, if the person's speech is for sale, and many people's speech is.

Quote:
livinglava wrote:
How do we know that both Zim and Martin weren't engaged in some kind of transaction that turned conflictual and the subsequent fight and eventual shooting didn't result from that?

Because Mr. Zimmerman was the captain of the neighborhood watch and was reporting Trayvon's suspicious behavior to the police.

How does that prove innocence or guilt in any way? You can use a drug-rehabilitation center as a user-den or a drug-distribution center if you want as long as everyone involved keeps quiet about what really going on. Do you think there's no such thing as police corruption, btw?

Quote:
livinglava wrote:
The principle of stand-your-ground is reasonable, but that doesn't mean people can't and won't abuse it.

This case didn't have anything to do with stand your ground laws. Trayvon had Mr. Zimmerman on the ground and was on top of him pounding his head against a concrete sidewalk.

The issue with stand-your-ground was that, without SYG, Zimmerman was supposed to retreat instead of getting his gun and coming back. If that had happened, Martin would probably still be alive and maybe in jail or maybe not. It would have been good to hear what he could have told about the situation, assuming he would have told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 29 May, 2019 12:41 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
How does that prove innocence or guilt in any way?

It shows that Mr. Zimmerman was not party to a drug deal with Trayvon.


livinglava wrote:
The issue with stand-your-ground was that, without SYG, Zimmerman was supposed to retreat instead of getting his gun and coming back.

Mr. Zimmerman had no ability to retreat, as he was lying on the ground with Trayvon on top of him.

Mr. Zimmerman also did not go get a gun and come back. He had no ability to go anywhere, and did not ever try to approach Trayvon.
 

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