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Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 9 May, 2019 12:12 pm
@revelette1,
Deserved vote of contempt? He legally can't release the whole report and the DNC knows that, why the stupid games? They want to win in 2020, damn the laws.
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 01:03 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
But Democrats said they did not expect Mr. Barr to break the law and unilaterally release grand jury secrets, but rather to join them in petitioning a judge to unseal material for the grand jury for committee use.

Mr. Nadler said after the vote that Democrats intended to go to the judge on their own authority.

Democrats view the president’s executive privilege claim as nonsense, since much of the report and evidence has either been released publicly or shared with lawyers.

Still, Mr. Trump’s invocation of privilege could tie up the material in court and significantly complicate Democrats’ efforts to call other witnesses. Mr. Nadler said Wednesday it could delay a potential hearing with Mr. Mueller in the Judiciary Committee. And it could also limit testimony by Donald F. McGahn II, a former White House counsel and key witness in the special counsel’s investigation, scheduled under subpoena for May 21.

Democrats’ frustration in the hearing room was clear. “I can only conclude that the president now seeks to take a wrecking ball to the Constitution of the United States of America,” Representative Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/08/us/politics/trump-executive-privilege-mueller-report.html

I imagine all of this will eventually end up in some kind of court. The democrats want this evidence (rightfully so) in furtherance of impeachment proceedings. IMO They may have to start impeachment proceedings in order to get the evidence approved by a court. I am not sure, we'll see. Nevertheless, I stand by my statement. Even excluding the grand jury evidence, there is still some underlying evidence that can and should be released but now Trump has exerted executive privilege. He may have a tough time with that considering most of it, 92%, has already been released without Trump exerting executive privilege. It's complicated and in my opinion, we'll just have to see how it all plays out.

All that aside, what do you make of the Trump Jr. being subpoenaed by the republican controlled senate?
Baldimo
 
  1  
Thu 9 May, 2019 01:10 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
But Democrats said they did not expect Mr. Barr to break the law and unilaterally release grand jury secrets, but rather to join them in petitioning a judge to unseal material for the grand jury for committee use.

They are lying to cover their asses. They have screamed since the day the report was released that they want a FULL unredacted version of the report... to now claim that they don't is them lying and I'm not surprised that the MSM continues to cover the DNC's ass when they lie and move the goal posts.

Rep Jim Jordan has called this scam out for what it really is, a scam.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 9 May, 2019 01:44 pm
Such a dick
Quote:
Trump Downgrades ‘No Obstruction’ To … ‘Essentially No Obstruction’

President Donald Trump seemed to hedge a bit on his months-long chant of “no obstruction, no collusion,” saying that the redacted Mueller report revealed “essentially no obstruction” during a bill signing Thursday.

“At the end of the testimony, no collusion,” he said. “And essentially no obstruction.”
http://bit.ly/2HbNZV3

What does that even mean? Essentially no crimes. Essentially no rape. Essentially no murder.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 02:02 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
the deserved vote of contempt

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to these witch hunts.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 02:23 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
His base has never got over the hostage crisis of the 80s. The death of the Ayatollah and a new generation of politicians hasn't changed that.

Why should we get over it? We have yet to receive any justice.

And there was a lot more than just the hostages at our embassy in Tehran.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_United_States_embassy_bombing_in_Beirut
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_embassy_annex_bombing_in_Beirut
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_hostage_crisis

A good thorough pummeling of Iran by the US Air Force would be nothing more than long-awaited justice.


izzythepush wrote:
conveniently ignoring the CIA coup that deposed a Democratic government putting the autocratic Shah in power

The CIA's role was minimal. The driving force behind the coup against Mosaddegh was the same Iranian clerics who rule Iran today.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121954311?storyId=121954311
http://newrepublic.com/article/71731/the-great-satan-myth

The Iranian clerics are trying to blame the US for their own coup simply because the US sided with them in it. Their claim is rejected.


izzythepush wrote:
and Iranian passenger airlines shot down by American forces.

Iran shouldn't have been attacking our warships if they didn't want them to defend themselves from potential threats.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Samuel_B._Roberts_(FFG-58)

Collateral damage is unfortunate, but the ultimate cause of this tragedy was Iranian aggression.


izzythepush wrote:
These people just see Iran as the focus for their Islamophobia, they don't want to know the truth, it gets in the way of bigotry.

Nonsense. We're the ones who post the truth.

Telling the truth is neither phobia nor bigotry.
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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 9 May, 2019 02:31 pm
@izzythepush,
Lets not forget the weapons they sent to Iraq to kill American military personal, lets also not forget the training they provided to Iraqi terrorists who killed American military personal.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 9 May, 2019 02:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Yes. That too.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 02:49 pm
I'm put in mind of the Wizard of Oz. I'm sure I heard the Lobotomy League welcoming me to Trumpkin Land.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 03:43 pm
Actually I have seen an uptick in Trump's approval ratings alongside all this going on with congress. I think it will a bad effect on the dems chances in 2020 elections but in my own opinion, it is still the right course to take.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 9 May, 2019 04:01 pm
@revelette1,
Witch hunts are never the right thing to do.
neptuneblue
 
  5  
Thu 9 May, 2019 09:54 pm
@oralloy,
Seeking the truth is always the right thing to do.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 9 May, 2019 10:58 pm
@neptuneblue,
The Democrats are not seeking the truth and have no interest in the truth. They only want to abuse the law to harm people who disagree with them.
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Fri 10 May, 2019 12:54 am
Quote:
The US has more than doubled tariffs on $200bn (£153.7bn) worth of Chinese products, in a sharp escalation of the countries' damaging trade war.

Tariffs on affected Chinese goods have risen to 25% from 10%, and Beijing has vowed to retaliate.

China said it "deeply regrets" the move and will have to take "necessary counter-measures."

The move comes as high-level officials from both sides are attempting to salvage a trade deal in Washington.

Only recently, the US and China appeared to be close to ending months of hostilities.

China's Commerce Ministry confirmed the latest US tariff hike on its website.

"It is hoped that the US and the Chinese sides will work together ... to resolve existing problems through cooperation and consultation," it said in a statement.

Chinese stock markets were little changed after the deadline passed, with the Hang Seng index trading up 0.6% and the Shanghai Composite 1.5% higher.

The market took a beating earlier this week after US President Donald Trump flagged the tariff hike on Sunday.

The 10% duties on $200bn worth of Chinese products - including fish, handbags, clothing and footwear - were due to rise at the start of the year.

That was delayed as negotiations advanced, but Mr Trump is now saying talks are progressing "too slowly".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48210313
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 10 May, 2019 01:10 am
@izzythepush,
Trump's 25% tariffs on steel and 10% on aluminum are a good start.

Now we need to extend that to include 25% tariffs on auto parts from outside North America, and 25% tariffs on autos made outside North America.

If Trump does that, we'll end up with cars made in America from parts made in America with steel made in America.


I know, my above comments are not about China and that's what your post was about. I'm not really following the spat with China. I assume that both sides will work out something in the end. All I really care about (when it comes to tariffs) are tariffs for the steel/aluminum and auto industry.
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 10 May, 2019 02:47 am
Surely It's a Coincidence That a Firm Tied to a Russian Oligarch Is Pouring Millions Into Kentucky
Lash
 
  0  
Fri 10 May, 2019 03:37 am
@revelette1,
It is solidifying his second term.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 10 May, 2019 08:13 am
Giuliani’s remarkable admission about seeking Ukraine’s assistance for Trump
Quote:
“This is the first instance of which I am aware in which a private lawyer for the president of the United States has, in his own words, ‘meddled’ in a foreign criminal investigation of a third party in order to politically benefit the president," said Tim Meyer, an international law expert at Vanderbilt University. “Mr. Giuliani’s actions undermine the longstanding U.S. foreign policy of promoting the rule of law in Ukraine generally and in the Ukrainian general prosecutor’s office specifically.”
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 10 May, 2019 08:14 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Two of the three votes needed to maintain the sanctions against goons like Deripaska came from senators representing a state into which his company was pumping money he'd obtained god knows where or how, and one of whom is the Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate into whose PAC Deripaska's partner dumped $3.5 million between 2015 and 2017. Oddly, one of the stories that has sunk like a stone over the past few years is the story of how much Russian ratfcking money went into Republican campaigns generally over the past few cycles.
Can these people get any worse?
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 10 May, 2019 08:21 am
@Walter Hinteler,
There have been a lot of reasons to criticize past presidencies and party leadership persons but I've never seen anything close to this transparent lust for personal wealth and power.
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