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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:28 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Nonsense. Barr isn't acting in the country's interest. He is only interested in acting to protect a corrupt president. Personal loyalty preempts constitutional loyalty for him.

The Constitution says that his job is to serve the President. By helping our President do his job, he is serving the country's interest.

You cannot provide any evidence of corruption by Mr. Trump.
snood
 
  3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:28 pm
@neptuneblue,
A true legend in his own mind
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:30 pm
@snood,
You leftists get childish when people stand up to your hate.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:31 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
No he is acting as a defense attorney for Donald Trump.

His job is to serve the President.

His job is not to help Democrats conduct a witch hunt against the President.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:32 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Barr's prepared press conference remarks ascribed "non-corrupt motives" to President Trump's consideration of impeding Mueller's probe, on the theory that Trump "was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks," even though "there was in fact no collusion."

Yet frustration and anger provide no legal excuse for impeding a lawful investigation, and Barr has acknowledged the investigation was lawful. So how does this provide Trump any excuse?

This interpretation of the obstruction statute that the Democrats are pushing is both illogical and unconstitutional. But setting that aside for a moment, this "interpretation" says that it is illegal for officials to shut down an investigation for a corrupt motive.

A "non-corrupt motive" would excuse the President from this interpretation by not being a corrupt motive.

The silly moron whose article you are quoting from seems to have forgotten that the President does not need an excuse for exercising his Constitutional powers.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:35 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
It has been catastrophic. Not in my memory has a sitting attorney general more diminished the credibility of his department on any subject. It is a kind of trope of political opposition in every administration that the attorney general--whoever he or she is--is politicizing the Justice Department and acting as a defense lawyer for the president. In this case it is true.

Barr has consistently sought to spin his department's work in a highly political fashion, and he has done so to cast the president's conduct in the most favorable possible light. Trump serially complained that Jeff Sessions didn't act to "protect" him. Matthew Whitaker never had the stature or internal clout to do so effectively. In Barr, Trump has found his man.

An AG that the President can trust, instead of one who will help the Democrats perpetrate a witch hunt against the President, is not a catastrophe.


Quote:
Ironically, the redactions on the report--the matter on which I urged giving Barr the benefit of the doubt--are the one major area where his performance has been respectable. On this matter, he laid out a time frame for the release of the report. He met it. His redactions, as best as I can tell, were not unreasonable, though they were aggressive in some specific areas. To whatever extent he went overboard, Congress has a far-less-redacted version. The public, in any event, has access to a detailed account of Mueller's conclusions. On this point, Barr did as he said he would.

Where Barr has utterly failed, by contrast, is in providing "honest leadership that insulates [the department] from the predations of the president." I confess I am surprised by this. I have never known Barr well, but I thought better of him than that.

It is the job of the Justice Department to serve the President and do what he tells them to do.

What the left doesn't like about Barr is the fact that he upholds the Constitution.


Quote:
The core of the problem is not that Barr moved, as many people worried he would, to suppress the report; it is what he has said about it. I have spent a great deal of time with the Mueller report, about which Barr's public statements are simply indefensible. The mischaracterizations began in his first letter. They got worse during his press conference the morning he released the document. And they grew worse still yesterday in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Barr did not lie in any of these statements. He did not, as some people insist, commit perjury. I haven't found a sentence he has written or said that cannot be defended as truthful on its own terms, if only in some literal sense. But it is possible to mislead without lying. One can be dishonest before Congress without perjury. And one can convey sweeping untruths without substantial factual misstatement. This is what Barr has been doing since that first letter. And it is utterly beneath the United States Department of Justice.

The dishonesty only begins with the laughably selective quotation of Mueller's report in Barr's original letter, the scope of which Charlie Savage laid out in a remarkable New York Times article shortly after the full report was released. I urge people to look at Savage's side-by-side quotations. The distortion of Mueller's meaning across a range of areas is not subtle, and it's not hard to understand why Mueller himself wrote to Barr saying that the attorney general's letter "did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions.

There was no justification for a report in the first place.

The only job of the independent counsel was to bring charges or not bring charges.

Complaining about the characterization of a report that Barr rightfully should have simply ran through a shredder is pretty silly, even by leftist standards of silliness.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:37 pm
@Brand X,
@TulsiGabbard wrote:
Shameless. Some members of Congress are acting as the mouthpiece for the theocratic dictatorship of Saudi-Arabia—literally reading off a script—as the Saudis spend millions to lock up American support for their genocidal war in Yemen & push for war w/ Iran

This Gabbard nutcase is something else.

The only genocidal organization in this war are the al-Qa'ida terrorists that the US and Saudi Arabia are fighting against.

Shameless indeed. What a nutcase.
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neptuneblue
 
  4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:44 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The Constitution says that his job is to serve the President. By helping our President do his job, he is serving the country's interest.


I disagree.

A federal Attorney General serves the United States, not a President.

OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
The position of Attorney General was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789. In June 1870 Congress enacted a law entitled “An Act to Establish the Department of Justice.” This Act established the Attorney General as head of the Department of Justice and gave the Attorney General direction and control of U.S. Attorneys and all other counsel employed on behalf of the United States. The Act also vested in the Attorney General supervisory power over the accounts of U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

The mission of the Office of the Attorney General is to supervise and direct the administration and operation of the Department of Justice, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Drug Enforcement Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Bureau of Prisons, Office of Justice Programs, and the U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals Service, which are all within the Department of Justice.

The principal duties of the Attorney General are to:

Represent the United States in legal matters.

Supervise and direct the administration and operation of the offices, boards, divisions, and bureaus that comprise the Department.

Furnish advice and opinions, formal and informal, on legal matters to the President and the Cabinet and to the heads of the executive departments and agencies of the government, as provided by law.

Make recommendations to the President concerning appointments to federal judicial positions and to positions within the Department, including U.S. Attorneys and U.S. Marshals.

Represent or supervise the representation of the United States Government in the Supreme Court of the United States and all other courts, foreign and domestic, in which the United States is a party or has an interest as may be deemed appropriate.

Perform or supervise the performance of other duties required by statute or Executive Order.

https://www.justice.gov/jmd/organization-mission-and-functions-manual-attorney-general
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:02 pm
@neptuneblue,
Let's look at what the Constitution says:

"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:05 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
This is a good example of why Tulsi has some progressive credibility.

And that's a good example of how the left are total nutcases.

That the left would approve of this Gabbard nutcase falsely accusing Saudi Arabia of being the genocidal party in the Yemen war shows just how deranged the left truly is.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:06 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
In my view there's no perfect system for representative democracy. The two-party system is here to stay, I would think, and rather than fantacize about getting rid of it (not saying that's what you're doing but a lot of people bitch about it) it would be more productive to try and make it work more for the people and less for the lobbies.

The lobbies are the voice of the people.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:07 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Sure. And McCain blew it by choosing Palin. Gore didn't know whether to run as Clinton's third term or try to be "his own man" -- he ended up choosing the latter and it may have been a mistake. We can all point to mistakes made by sub-optimal candidates.

All candidates make mistakes. If they lose, those mistakes seem like the cause of the loss. If they win, the mistakes seem like harmless errors.

And it's probably true on some level. But it's probably also true that the same mistake will be viewed very differently depending on whether the candidate wins or loses in the end.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:09 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I have never reported on you for your many, many personal attacks on myself and on others.
But the frequency and severity of this sort of post from you is increasing. I'm going to ask you to knock it off.

I haven't seen any personal attacks from Lash.

YOU, on the other hand, engage in quite vicious personal attacks whenever you get out of your intellectual depth.

For you, of all people, to moralize over alleged personal attacks is a level of hypocrisy that could only come from the left.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:14 pm
@oralloy,
You went there.. Ok,

The Constitution grants the president the following exclusive powers: (1) he is commander in chief of the armed forces; (2) he can require "heads of departments" to give him their opinions in writing; (3) he receives ambassadors, and; (4) he grants pardons for federal offenses. In addition, he shares with the Senate the treaty power and the appointment authority ("advise and consent"), and can make "recess appointments" if Congress is not in session. He can veto a bill, subject to override by 2/3 of both Houses. He can convene Congress on "extraordinary occasions," but ordinarily may not force it to adjourn. He is required to send a state of the union message "from time to time," and he shall "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

I don't see anywhere the Attorney General serves the President.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/06/constitutional-myth-3-the-unitary-executive-is-a-dictator-in-war-and-peace/239627/
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:27 pm
@oralloy,
If you could point out any, and no matter how obscure it may be, that actually SUPPORTS your claim that a federal U.S. Attorney main role to to serve a President rather than advise to the Best Interest of the United States, I'd take a gander at it.

If you can.

Or not.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:33 pm
@neptuneblue,
"The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:34 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
You went there.. Ok,

Of course I went there. I always go there.


neptuneblue wrote:
The Constitution grants the president the following exclusive powers: (1) he is commander in chief of the armed forces; (2) he can require "heads of departments" to give him their opinions in writing; (3) he receives ambassadors, and; (4) he grants pardons for federal offenses. In addition, he shares with the Senate the treaty power and the appointment authority ("advise and consent"), and can make "recess appointments" if Congress is not in session. He can veto a bill, subject to override by 2/3 of both Houses. He can convene Congress on "extraordinary occasions," but ordinarily may not force it to adjourn. He is required to send a state of the union message "from time to time," and he shall "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."
I don't see anywhere the Attorney General serves the President.

It's in the part where the Constitution says that the President is 100% of the executive branch.



There are limits to the President's power. He does not pass laws or interpret laws.

And there are a few limited cases where the Constitution puts a certain power in someone else's hands (the power to declare war for instance). But those cases are limited and situational. Declarations of war are not an everyday occurrence.

This has a practical effect of the President being required to abide by court rulings. If he defies court rulings, that would be grounds for impeachment.

But so long as the President is not defying any court rulings, he is within his rights to order the executive branch to do what he wants.

If the American people are not happy with the President's performance, they can vote him out of office next election.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:48 pm
@oralloy,
Nice bait and switch.

When the Attorney General defies subpoenas, that's breaking the law.



oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:51 pm
@neptuneblue,
There was no bait and switch.

If the courts say that the Attorney General has to comply with a subpoena, I expect that the President will allow him to comply with it.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 09:53 pm
@oralloy,
Ok. We'll see him in Court then.
 

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