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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 03:36 pm
@blatham,
That's fair, thank you.
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RABEL222
 
  4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 04:14 pm
@Olivier5,
You don't understand the difference between bitching and criticism.Lash and Bernie bitched about the democratic party not treating him like a god even though he was not and is not a democrat unless it fits in with his political goals. He ,as far as I am concerned, is directly responsible for Trump. And I am not going to forget it. If he is the democratic candidate I will vote for him. But it will be like swallowing a egg whole. I haven't convinced myself he dident convince his supporters to stay home. Vote wink wink, if you want to.
glitterbag
 
  7  
Mon 6 May, 2019 04:16 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

No you are not. Not with me anyway. You keep agressing and insulting me. Either you calm down, or you'll be ignored.


OK, I'm not trying to take sides here, but you do seem to quickly get defensive with other members who post here and you're not always a picnic to deal with. I'm not exactly an example of diplomacy, but it might be a good idea to count to ten before you decide you've been attacked or insulted. Just an opinion.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 May, 2019 05:10 pm
Draining the Swamp
Quote:
"Former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly has joined the board of Caliburn International, the parent organization of the company that runs the largest facility housing migrant children in the United States."
https://wapo.st/2YcE1bD

These people are repugnant. And their supporters are too.
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 05:39 pm
Modern GOP morality
Quote:
A staffer for former Rep. Scott Taylor’s (R-VA) 2018 re-election campaign has been indicted on election fraud charges, though the special prosecutor investigating the scandal said in a press release Monday that his ongoing probe has been hampered by “the lack of cooperation of key individuals.”

Lauren Creekmore was one of several Taylor campaign staffers who collected signature sheets riddled with forged signatures to help get an independent candidate on the ballot in the congressional race, an attempt by Taylor’s side to split the Democratic vote in two.
http://bit.ly/2Y4ipOy

One of the more ridiculous charges that the right has been making against liberals over the last couple of decades is "liberalism is guilty of moral relativism". Obviously, this charge implicitly carries the claim that conservatives hold and follow a set moral code - honest speech, respect for laws and a close adherence to biblical injunctions such as the commandments.

How empty and false this indictment of liberalism has always been coming from the right is acutely evident now with their continued support of a:
- serial liar
- debauchee who brags about being a pussy grabber
- flagrant adulterer (with porn stars)
- thief who doesn't pay his debts
- who bears false witness every day of every week
etc

oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:33 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:
Joe Biden: Congress has ‘no alternative’ but impeachment if Trump blocks followup probes of Mueller’s findings
Two top Dems today hit a similar point on impeachment: If the president keeps blocking congressional requests, Dems could impeach.

We really need to outlaw the Democratic Party. It's the best way to make them stop abusing the law as a weapon against people who disagree with them.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:34 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Nevertheless, I have felt, like Warren, it is the right and moral thing to do since the Mueller report and let the chips fall where they may.

Abusing the law to persecute people who disagree with you is not the right thing to do.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:36 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Think of it though... Public grilling of all the president’s slimeballs. The thing that turned Republican senators against Nixon was when so much of the dirt got exposed that the public turned against him. Public = constituents. Maybe even these present day gutless republican senators would have to think twice if their peeps at home started to get disgusted by the dirt.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will put an end to their witch hunts against people who disagree with them.

Failing that, siccing the FBI and IRS on the left will expose all of their dirt.


snood wrote:
I think it’s worth a try.

I think outlawing the Democratic Party is worth a try.


snood wrote:
Besides, it’s their (the House) goddamn job to impeach someone with as many impeachable offenses as Trump.

So far Mr. Trump has committed zero impeachable offenses.

But even if Trump had done something bad, since the Democrats refused to remove Bill Clinton from office, it would be entirely reasonable for the Republicans to extend the same courtesy to Trump.
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Brandon9000
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:36 pm
@blatham,
First of all, you state these accusations without evidence (and, no, "everybody knows" is not evidence). Secondly, if you had a large number of people who hate you looking into everything you've ever done in an attempt to dig up or manufacture dirt, I'll bet we'd end up with various negative claims we could make about you too.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:39 pm
@Brand X,
Brand X wrote:
The Senate won't follow, but still I think the House should start proceedings and follow through with their side. I don't see why they should back off after all they have said and believe about Trump re the last two and a half years.

Outlawing the Democratic Party in America will put an end to their witch hunts against anyone who disagrees with them.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:40 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I think they would; I don't really see a downside

You don't see a downside to undermining the rule of law to conduct witch hunts against people who disagree with you?


revelette1 wrote:
and even if I did, I would still think they should impeach him. I am surprised anyone else agrees with me.

I certainly don't agree. Your witch hunts against innocent people are horrible.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:41 pm
@revelette1,

This Mueller thug seems to have forgotten that his only job was to either "bring charges" or "not bring charges".

It sounds like he was the wrong person for the job. He should have been fired on day one.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:46 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Trump's supporters know he's a moral sleaze and they're okay with that. But what might put a crack in the wall is if he's revealed to be an actual crook, a tax cheat, and a corrupt businessman.

Not likely. If wrongdoing by Mr. Trump were actually proven, all we will do is point out that a $25,000 fine was good enough for Bill Clinton's wrongdoing.


hightor wrote:
If evidence of financial shenanigans emerges and we see the percentage of the total population moving to favor impeachment, including a small but significant chunk of Republicans, then it will be time to impeach. But there's no benefit to pursuing this step as a purely partisan enterprise or moral imperative.

You are skipping a couple of important steps there.

First, you need to establish actual impeachable offenses. Impeaching an innocent person without evidence is the sort of leftist morality that drives calls to outlaw the Democratic Party.

Second, even if you establish actual wrongdoing, you will also have to come up with an argument as to why the $25,000 fine that was good enough for Bill Clinton will not also be good enough for Trump.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 06:48 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Regardless, I feel the right the thing to do is impeach Trump for obstruction as laid out in the Mueller report. I agree to disagree with you.

The Mueller report did not lay out a clear case for obstruction. It pointed out that there were strong arguments against it.

Further, the Mueller Report did not even bother to mention the fact that it isn't obstruction for the official in charge of an investigation to shut it down. It would actually be unconstitutional to interpret the obstruction statute in a manner that prevented the President from shutting down an investigation.

But even if there had been proof of actual obstruction, since it was not necessary to remove Bill Clinton from office when he committed multiple counts of obstruction and conspiracy to obstruct, why would removal be appropriate in this case?

No. The only right thing to do here is to outlaw the Democratic Party to put an end to their witch hunts against innocent people.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 07:09 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Bush junior lied to the people and the world to get his war of choice in Iraq, and got away with it. He should have done some serious jail time for that, but didn't.

Don't be silly. What crime did he commit?


Olivier5 wrote:
The whole US press gobbled and relayed his lies,

Nonsense. What lies?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 07:10 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Although the term is bandied about a lot these days, there is no settled upon definition of a "constitutional crisis", and it is not an actual legal term of art.
When someone uses the term these days, they're generally trying to describe a situation where there is a conflict in the function of government that its political constitution and other governing laws and regulations can't clearly resolve.
I think we're in one now.

The only problem that the nation is facing is leftist witch hunts against innocent people. Outlawing the Democratic Party will resolve that problem.


snood wrote:
The brazen way that Trump and his helpers are rejecting formal requests for testimony and documentation is not anything that we have precedent for. The impunity with which Trump is openly contemptuous of both other branches of our federal government is growing manifestly bolder with each day that passes with the Democrats alternately either vowing to take some definitive action against it, or advising us to settle it all "at the ballot box".

Trump is not ignoring any courts so far as I can see.

Democrats are free to take their case to the courts. I am sure that the executive branch will comply with any rulings.


snood wrote:
If you're still sanguine in the security that our system provides to keep us safe from an immoral, power-mad tyrant, I think you're either not paying attention or you just don't give a basic ****.

The only immoral power-mad tyrants here are Democrats.

I think Trump is doing a good job keeping us safe from the left.


snood wrote:
No one likes to admit being in fear. But seeing Barr sit there and smugly lie to the Senate and then tell them he just ain't going to bother talking to the House; to hear and see the weak response...
Are the guardrails really as gone as they seem to be?

How did Barr lie to the Senate?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 07:12 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Increasingly, I have come to believe that the Dems must go on a total war-footing now. If not, there's no one to stop what's happening. Institutions are too weakened.

How about instead of trying to stop our president from doing his job, the left stops trying to undermine the rule of law and accepts the results of the 2016 election?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 07:16 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
What I did catch was sort of breathtaking in Barr's obfuscating. He is no real Attorney General for the United States.

He is an excellent attorney general. We need someone to oppose these leftist witch hunts and he is doing a great job.

Not that there would be anything wrong with obfuscation, but how did he supposedly obfuscate?
neptuneblue
 
  4  
Mon 6 May, 2019 07:47 pm
@oralloy,
Lol! You crack me up! 11 posts just to say absolutely nothing!

oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 6 May, 2019 08:25 pm
@neptuneblue,
Defending innocent people and calling for an end to leftist injustice is a bit more than nothing.

More posts are incoming. I got behind on this thread. I'm going to try to get caught up.
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