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Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 04:57 am
@hightor,
A pollster conniving with the DNC to gather only information from a few specific demographics —like wealthy and old—and presenting this poll as representative of the voting public is a lie intended to cheat Bernie and his voters.

You know what the result will be.

Wonder what the DNC is paying pollsters.

Shame on any idiot that approves this. You like it when it suits your purpose. How will you feel when it’s used against your interests?

Don’t you think it is being used against you already, maybe not quite as blatantly as it’s being used against Bernie?

People are so slow-witted.



neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 1 May, 2019 05:02 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
... as representative of the voting public is a lie intended to cheat Bernie and his voters.


It's as about as representative as you posting every article ever printed to support Bernie. Get it a rest already.
Lash
 
  -1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 05:05 am
@neptuneblue,
I’m not a pollster—god you’re dense. They are supposed to provide honest data.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 05:08 am
@Lash,
Aw, come on Lash, don't be mad at people who have a brain and know Bernie's a whack job.
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hightor
 
  2  
Wed 1 May, 2019 05:15 am
@revelette1,
Poll: Most Democrats Back Impeachment Hearings, A Move That's Unpopular Overall

What would be the point of instigating an impeachment attempt, only to have it fail in the Senate? All this would do is concentrate more attention on Trump. He'd bask in it, playing the martyr. I can already picture the rallies. Meanwhile, actual governing would take a back seat while we watch this sorry spectacle play out. Casting this situation as some sort of morality play which must be pursued to its final outcome is a terrible idea.

Trump's supporters know he's a moral sleaze and they're okay with that. But what might put a crack in the wall is if he's revealed to be an actual crook, a tax cheat, and a corrupt businessman. So we should let the investigations continue. If evidence of financial shenanigans emerges and we see the percentage of the total population moving to favor impeachment, including a small but significant chunk of Republicans, then it will be time to impeach. But there's no benefit to pursuing this step as a purely partisan enterprise or moral imperative.

On an unrelated note, I find it very curious that some of the same people on this site who regularly question the degree of Russian interference in our election and its importance, and who consider the Mueller report a total dud which misled the liberal media stooges for over two years are now calling for impeachment. As one character said, to prove the Democrats "have guts." Calling for an action which would insure Trump's re-election is so progressive.
hightor
 
  3  
Wed 1 May, 2019 05:19 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Don’t you think it is being used against you already, maybe not quite as blatantly as it’s being used against Bernie?

No. I'm not running for anything.
revelette1
 
  2  
Wed 1 May, 2019 06:24 am
@hightor,
I doubt Pelosi is going to let the democrats impeach. I know the smart move is not to impeach. Regardless, I feel the right the thing to do is impeach Trump for obstruction as laid out in the Mueller report. I agree to disagree with you.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 06:32 am
@Lash,
Above all pollsters want their results to be accurate. Whenever they fall short of the result they lose face and money.

What you're suggesting they're is financial suicide. It's not worth it, a good name takes a lifetime to build up but can go in a couple of hours.

They've not even started to choose the candidate yet, and that takes ******* forever.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Wed 1 May, 2019 06:42 am
@hightor,
This issue and others suggest a wider disconnect between the new far left Democrats and the voters. In the current era of avowed socialism coming from many prominent Democrat spokesmen, this is not likely to be the last illustration of this divide.

Biden is busily embracing these new Democrat values (if not their avowed policies) and has somewhat degraded himself in the process. He's offering the odd proposition that he can reject much of his past but remain, because of it, the best qualified candidate for the Presidency. I suspect this is a fairly widespread impression among many voters.

On a larger scale this is indicative of a continuing divide in the Democrat Party. Will the Democrat leadership be able to both unite the party and put together a platform that can actually lead to victory in the forthcoming Presidential and Congressional elections? So far all among them appear to be saying the right things about unity, but the real test will come as they work to put together a coherent platform. Nancy Pelosi is a seasoned, effective political leader, but this may be a very difficult process for her.

I suspect the recent example of President Trump actually, and very visibly, working hard to enact the very things he promised in his campaign (even in the face of some opposition within his own Party), may raise the difficulty for all such platforms, in that many voters will now interpret them as real precursors for action. This will be a problem for both parties, in that there are divisions in both : however, more so among Democrats. Two reasons here; (1) The Republican platform is already visible and for the most part tested, and with very good economic results. (2) The combination of a continuing implacable opposition of Democrats in the Congress, and the emergence of strident far left voices among Democrats has gone a long way to uniting Republicans against a common enemy.

My impression is that Biden and Kamila Harris are the strongest of the current Democrat candidates. Most of the others, from Sanders & Warren, and on to Beto, Butticieg, Booker and others, have either fatally flawed themselves or simply faded fast in the spotlight. It is interesting that Harris has been particularly vague and ambiguous about endorsing the far left proposals of some of her colleagues - probably a very canny move in view of the tumult ahead for the Democrat Platform.
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Lash
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 09:13 am
@hightor,
Cause polling is only used for elections, not to provide supposedly useful data to the general public on an array of issues in their daily lives...

Astonishingly shallow.
Lash
 
  0  
Wed 1 May, 2019 09:16 am
@izzythepush,
Evidence of it happening twice very recently is flaming through Twitter—but who knows if the mass media in the US will even report it.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 09:48 am
@Lash,
When somebody tweets something the only thing it's evidence of is their tweeting history.

MSM is a term right wingers use to spread the lie that broadcast media is overwhelmingly left leading when the opposite is true. Its behaviour in the lead up to the illegal war in Iraq is proof of that.

Lots of stuff that gets tweeted never gets reported on because its either not newsworthy or its a load of old conspiracy bollocks.

One of Putin's aims is to stop people trusting western institutions, your attack on polling institutions should really please him.
Brand X
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 10:38 am
Currently the US MSM is way to the right of Bernie, and to the right on regime change in Venezuela.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 11:01 am
@Brand X,
Is that your message, that democracy is failing, we can't trust pollsters, the media, law enforcement, the courts? They're all lying, we don't need mob rule, we need a strong man like Vladimir Putin, you can trust what he says.
Real Music
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 11:11 am

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roger
 
  2  
Wed 1 May, 2019 01:29 pm
@hightor,

hightor wrote:


And when is lying to sway anyone considered "cheating"? Are toothpaste companies "cheating" when they lie about the effectiveness of their product?


Yes
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Brand X
 
  2  
Wed 1 May, 2019 01:59 pm
@izzythepush,
You commented on which way the MSM leans, I merely commented on that.

Puzzled by the leap to extreme assumption.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 1 May, 2019 02:02 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
People are so slow-witted.


And/0r cognitively dissonant. People generally only hear what they want to hear, and are easily convinced of "truth" if it doesn't hurt their belief system.

On the "accuracy" of polling, particularly exit polls, just how wrong did they all get it, in the Clinton/Trump contest?
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izzythepush
 
  0  
Wed 1 May, 2019 02:58 pm
@Brand X,
Don't attribute the phrase MSM to me. It's a phrase used by the far right.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 1 May, 2019 04:48 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
@Lash
One of Putin's aims is to stop people trusting western institutions, your attack on polling institutions should really please him.
Within the last week, Lash posted the results of polling. That poll had Sanders in the lead. That poll was jam-packed with truthfullness, however, so fine to accept and promote. The evil polls will have Sanders behind others.
 

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