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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 02:45 pm
@Brand X,
Trump sues Deutsche Bank, Capital One to block House subpoenas

Unless the Senate follows through, not sure what good impeachment is going to do in trying to get information on follow questions. Republicans have no shame whatsoever and wouldn't remove Trump from office if Trump "shot someone on fifth avenue."

Nevertheless, I have felt, like Warren, it is the right and moral thing to do since the Mueller report and let the chips fall where they may.
snood
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 03:24 pm
@revelette1,
Think of it though... Public grilling of all the president’s slimeballs. The thing that turned Republican senators against Nixon was when so much of the dirt got exposed that the public turned against him. Public = constituents. Maybe even these present day gutless republican senators would have to think twice if their peeps at home started to get disgusted by the dirt.

I think it’s worth a try. Besides, it’s their (the House) goddamn job to impeach someone with as many impeachable offenses as Trump.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 03:25 pm
@blatham,
I didn't feel at all insulted, and you're right, I've not seen Avatar.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 03:47 pm
Not being theologians and scholars, you probably had not realized that church steeples are phallic symbols to Baal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=libDYMdJMYI&feature=youtu.be&t=937
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Brand X
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 03:52 pm
@revelette1,
The Senate won't follow, but still I think the House should start proceedings and follow through with their side. I don't see why they should back off after all they have said and believe about Trump re the last two and a half years.

I want them to take actions equal to their rhetoric, that would show me some guts, the R's certainly don't have any. Some voters might actually appreciate it.
revelette1
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 04:12 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Think of it though... Public grilling of all the president’s slimeballs. The thing that turned Republican senators against Nixon was when so much of the dirt got exposed that the public turned against him. Public = constituents. Maybe even these present day gutless republican senators would have to think twice if their peeps at home started to get disgusted by the dirt.

I think it’s worth a try. Besides, it’s their (the House) goddamn job to impeach someone with as many impeachable offenses as Trump.


I wouldn't use those words, but agree completely.
revelette1
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 04:14 pm
@Brand X,
Quote:
I want them to take actions equal to their rhetoric, that would show me some guts, the R's certainly don't have any. Some voters might actually appreciate it.


I think they would; I don't really see a downside and even if I did, I would still think they should impeach him. I am surprised anyone else agrees with me.
revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 04:34 pm
I must have clicked on a few too many conservative website recently, I seem to bombarded with them on screen. Anyway, the following is interesting regardless of where it came from.

Federal appeals court won't reexamine constitutionality of Mueller appointment

Apparently this case with Andrew Miller has been dragging out in the courts for a year. He is apparently a long time associate of Roger Stone. He refused to testisfy because he argued Trump should have hired Mueller and the Senate should have confirmed him. His case was rejected in Feburary and again rejected yesterday. If I understand it right. So, I guess the fat lady or man at the opera hasn't sang yet.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 04:41 pm
@revelette1,
Yeah. They pretty much laughed at the numbskull.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:04 pm
@hightor,
They knew exactly what they were doing, and pollsters know they can create momentum and sway voters by thinking someone is ahead.

It is cheating. Lying to sway voters.
snood
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:16 pm
@hightor,
Do you see someone actually saying that MSNBC created false poll results? The stench of crazy is strong enough to singe nostril hair.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:23 pm
@snood,
Quote:
The stench of crazy is strong enough to singe nostril hair.
I love that smell. It reminds me of a mistake I once made with a hash pipe.
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snood
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:41 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Quote:
Think of it though... Public grilling of all the president’s slimeballs. The thing that turned Republican senators against Nixon was when so much of the dirt got exposed that the public turned against him. Public = constituents. Maybe even these present day gutless republican senators would have to think twice if their peeps at home started to get disgusted by the dirt.

I think it’s worth a try. Besides, it’s their (the House) goddamn job to impeach someone with as many impeachable offenses as Trump.


I wouldn't use those words, but agree completely.


Your disapproval of my word choice is duly noted.
revelette1
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 07:16 pm
@snood,
Thanks your honor.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 07:25 pm
Today's episode of Voice From The Right - in this case, Reagan's daughter (more at link)
Quote:
Dear Republicans: Stop using my father, Ronald Reagan, to justify your silence on Trump

...You have claimed his legacy, exalted him as an icon of conservatism and used the quotes of his that serve your purpose at any given moment. Yet at this moment in America’s history when the democracy to which my father pledged himself and the Constitution that he swore to uphold, and did faithfully uphold, are being degraded and chipped away at by a sneering, irreverent man who traffics in bullying and dishonesty, you stay silent.

You stay silent when President Trump speaks of immigrants as if they are trash, rips children from the arms of their parents and puts them in cages. Perhaps you’ve forgotten that my father said America was home “for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness.”
https://wapo.st/2GW5Saq
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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 07:28 pm
Mueller complained that Barr’s letter did not capture ‘context’ of Trump probe

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III wrote a letter in late March complaining to Attorney General William P. Barr that a four-page memo to Congress describing the principal conclusions of the investigation into President Trump “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of Mueller’s work, according to a copy of the letter reviewed Tuesday by The Washington Post.

The letter and a subsequent phone call between the two men reveal the degree to which the longtime colleagues and friends disagreed as they handled the legally and politically fraught task of investigating the president. Democrats in Congress are likely to scrutinize Mueller’s complaints to Barr as they contemplate the prospect of opening impeachment proceedings and mull how hard to press for Mueller himself to testify publicly.

At the time Mueller’s letter was sent to Barr on March 27, Barr had days prior announced that Mueller did not find a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials seeking to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. In his memo to Congress, Barr also said that Mueller had not reached a conclusion about whether Trump had tried to obstruct justice, but that Barr reviewed the evidence and found it insufficient to support such a charge. 

Days after Barr’s announcement, Mueller wrote the previously undisclosed private letter to the Justice Department, laying out his concerns in stark terms that shocked senior Justice Department officials, according to people familiar with the discussions.

“The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this office’s work and conclusions,” Mueller wrote. “There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations.”

The letter made a key request: that Barr release the 448-page report’s introductions and executive summaries, and it made initial suggested redactions for doing so, according to Justice Department officials.

A spokesman for Mueller declined to comment.

Justice Department officials said Tuesday that they were taken aback by the tone of Mueller’s letter and that it came as a surprise to them that he had such concerns. Until they received the letter, they believed Mueller was in agreement with them on the process of reviewing the report and redacting certain types of information, a process that took several weeks. Barr has testified to Congress previously that Mueller declined the opportunity to review his four-page memo to lawmakers that distilled the essence of the special counsel’s findings.

In his letter to Barr, Mueller wrote that the redaction process “need not delay release of the enclosed materials. Release at this time would alleviate the misunderstandings that have arisen and would answer congressional and public questions about the nature and outcome of our investigation.”
Barr is scheduled to appear Wednesday morning before the Senate Judiciary Committee — a much-anticipated public confrontation between the nation’s top law enforcement official and Democratic lawmakers, where he is likely to be questioned at length about his interactions with Mueller.

A day after Mueller sent his letter to Barr, the two men spoke by phone for about 15 minutes, according to law enforcement officials.

In that call, Mueller said he was concerned that media coverage of the obstruction investigation was misguided and creating public misunderstandings about the office’s work, according to Justice Department officials. Mueller did not express similar concerns about the public discussion of the investigation of Russia’s election interference, the officials said.

When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said.

In their call, Barr also took issue with Mueller calling his memo a “summary,” saying he had never intended to summarize the voluminous report, but instead provide an account of its top conclusions, officials said.

Justice Department officials said that, in some ways, the phone conversation was more cordial than the letter that preceded it, but that the two men did express some differences of opinion about how to proceed.

Barr said he did not want to put out pieces of the report, but rather issue the document all at once with redactions, and that he didn’t want to change course, according to officials. Barr also gave Mueller his personal phone number and told him to call if he had future concerns, officials said. 
Throughout the conversation, Mueller’s main worry was that the public was not getting an accurate understanding of the obstruction investigation, officials said.

“After the Attorney General received Special Counsel Mueller’s letter, he called him to discuss it,” a Justice Department spokeswoman said Tuesday evening. “In a cordial and professional conversation, the Special Counsel emphasized that nothing in the Attorney General’s March 24 letter was inaccurate or misleading. But, he expressed frustration over the lack of context and the resulting media coverage regarding the Special Counsel’s obstruction analysis. They then discussed whether additional context from the report would be helpful and could be quickly released.

“However, the Attorney General ultimately determined that it would not be productive to release the report in piecemeal fashion,” the spokeswoman said. “The Attorney General and the Special Counsel agreed to get the full report out with necessary redactions as expeditiously as possible. The next day, the Attorney General sent a letter to Congress reiterating that his March 24 letter was not intended to be a summary of the report, but instead only stated the Special Counsel’s principal conclusions, and volunteered to testify before both Senate and House Judiciary Committees on May 1 and 2.”

Some senior Justice Department officials were frustrated by Mueller’s complaints because they had expected that the report would reach them with proposed redactions, but it did not. Even when Mueller sent along his suggested redactions, those covered only a few areas of protected information, and the documents required further review, these people said.

The Washington Post and the New York Times had previously reported some members of Mueller’s team were frustrated with Barr’s characterization of their work, though Mueller’s own attitude was unknown before now.

In some team members’ view, the evidence they had gathered — especially on obstruction — was far more alarming and significant than how Barr had described it. That was perhaps to be expected, given that Barr had distilled a 448-page report into a terse, four-page memo to Congress.
Wednesday’s hearing will be the first time lawmakers question Barr since the Mueller report was released on April 18, and he is expected to face a raft of tough questions from Democrats.

Republicans on the committee are expected to question Barr about an assertion he made earlier this month that government officials had engaged in “spying” on the Trump campaign — a comment that was seized on by the president’s supporters as evidence the investigation into the president was biased.

Barr is also scheduled to testify Thursday before the House Judiciary Committee, but that hearing could be canceled or postponed amid a dispute about whether committee staff lawyers will question the attorney general. Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the panel’s chairman, called for a copy of the Mueller letter to be delivered to his committee by Wednesday morning.
Democrats have accused Barr of downplaying the seriousness of the evidence against the president.

Mueller’s report described 10 significant episodes of possible obstruction of justice but said that because of long-standing Justice Department policy that says a sitting president cannot be indicted and because of Justice Department practice regarding fairness toward those under investigation, his team did not reach a conclusion about whether the president had committed a crime.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 07:31 pm
Voices From The Right, vol 2 (more at link)
Quote:
We Wouldn’t Have Let Obama Get Away With This
I worked for Republicans on the House Oversight Committee back when the GOP cared about keeping the president in check.

President Donald Trump last Tuesday lamented on Twitter that “in the ‘old days’ if you were President and you had a good economy, you were basically immune from criticism.” The next day, he complained that Congress members “only want to continue the Witch Hunt, which I have already won.” In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said, “There is no reason to go any further, and especially in Congress where it’s very partisan—obviously very partisan … I don’t want people testifying to a party, because that is what they’re doing if they do this.” Meanwhile, Trump has filed a lawsuit to avoid handing over his tax returns to the House.

Trump’s defiance of Congress is outrageous and dangerous. It also exposes Republicans’ hypocrisy. There is a world of difference between how Republicans viewed oversight when Barack Obama was president and their support of Trump’s obstruction. I know, because for five years I worked for Republicans on the House Oversight and Reform Committee...
http://bit.ly/2GUCtx6
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snood
 
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Tue 30 Apr, 2019 08:05 pm
@revelette1,
You’re welcome your eminence
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Builder
 
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Wed 1 May, 2019 04:25 am
@Lash,
Quote:
They knew exactly what they were doing....


and always do.
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hightor
 
  3  
Wed 1 May, 2019 04:45 am
@Lash,
Quote:
They knew exactly what they were doing, and pollsters know they can create momentum and sway voters by thinking someone is ahead.

Sounds sort of conspiratorial. At this early stage of the game people have the luxury of voting for the candidate they want. Seeing their preferred candidate two or three points behind a rival is just as likely to inspire them to support the one they like.
Quote:
It is cheating.

No, when the headline is contradicted by the numbers printed right on the same page it's called sloppy journalism. Simple solution — better proofreading and stricter editorial standards.
Quote:
Lying to sway voters.

And when is lying to sway anyone considered "cheating"? Are toothpaste companies "cheating" when they lie about the effectiveness of their product?
 

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