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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 22 Mar, 2019 10:02 pm
https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/judge-jeanine-dt-600.jpg
Fox is wrong on this.
https://comicallyincorrect.com/a-f-branco-cartoon-cair-ful/
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 22 Mar, 2019 10:23 pm
@coldjoint,
It's never a good idea to give in to leftist phony outrage.
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Fri 22 Mar, 2019 10:59 pm
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  -3  
Fri 22 Mar, 2019 11:07 pm
So,

Did you guys hear? President Trump was proven innocent today.

Tiny news story, not many people noticed...
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Fri 22 Mar, 2019 11:56 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
This is irrelevant to the fact

No, it is a very relevant fact (Islam and doctrine) to the terrorists known as Palestinians.

Palestinians are also Christian and Druze. Say NO to bigotry.

InfraBlue
 
  3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:03 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
You being able to post arguments that my position is unjust, dangerous and wrong is one thing, that this matters is quite another.

America is a democracy with freedom of speech. I am an American, I speak, and I vote. Therefore my view matters.

America being a democracy with freedom of speech, you being an American who speaks and votes is one thing, your views mattering is another. They don't.


oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists are withholding peace by oppressing the Palestinians. If they continue their oppression then they will never know the peace they say they desire.

You are defining Israel's very existence as oppression.

The way Israel defines its existence, it is oppressive.

oralloy wrote:
As long as peace is withheld from Israel, they will be under no more pressure to give up any more land to the Palestinians. World support for a two-state solution was only for an outcome where Israel gained peaceful acceptance in exchange for giving up land.

The two-state solution was a farce from the very beginning. It wasn't viable then, it's even less so now.

oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists are fascists. Don't support fascists. Don't be a fascist. Say NO to fascism.

I will support Israel no matter what you falsely accuse them of.

Say NO to the oppressive state of Israel.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:05 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionists will never know the peace that they say they desire.

Then they will face no more international pressure to give more land to the Palestinians.

Right. The land for peace approach is a farce.

Two people, one Palestine.

oralloy wrote:
Israel's ownership of Area C is assured. If Palestinians can be forced out of Area B Israel can keep that as well.

Then the Zionists will never know the peace that they say they desire.
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:08 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
I am saying that as long as the Zionists continue to oppress the Palestinian people they will never know the peace that they say they desire.

You are defining Israel's very existence as oppression.

Israel's existential definition is oppressive. Say NO to oppression.

oralloy wrote:
And since international pressure for Israel to give land to the Palestinians was only in the context of an outcome where Israel received peaceful acceptance in exchange for doing so, "withholding peace" means "no more land for the Palestinians beyond what they already have".


Yeah. The land for peace approach was and is an untenable farce.

Two people one Palestine.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:20 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
This is irrelevant to the fact that Israel and the Zionists oppress the Palestinian people.

You are defining Israel's very existence as oppression.

Israel's existential definition is textbook oppression.


oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
Zionists are terrorists.

Wrong. Terrorists deliberately target innocent people. Israel only fires in self defense.

No, right. Zionists terrorists have fire bombed a Palestinian home burning alive a baby Palestinian and killing its parents. Zionist terrorists kidnapped a Palestinian teenager, beat him and burned him alive, among other reprehensible crimes.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:26 am
@InfraBlue,
Oral will claim the baby attacked first.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:31 am
@glitterbag,
Heh.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 12:39 am
@InfraBlue,
It's true, the baby was all hopped up on breast milk...makes them lethal.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:39 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Palestinians are also Christian and Druze.

That doesn't make it OK for Palestinians to murder people.


InfraBlue wrote:
Say NO to bigotry.

I saw no bigotry in his post.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:40 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
America being a democracy with freedom of speech, you being an American who speaks and votes is one thing, your views mattering is another. They don't.

Wrong. My vote helps decide who governs our nation. The messages that I post on the internet can convince other people to support the policies that I advocate.


InfraBlue wrote:
The way Israel defines its existence, it is oppressive.

I don't find the idea of Jews governing themselves to be even remotely oppressive.


InfraBlue wrote:
The two-state solution was a farce from the very beginning. It wasn't viable then, it's even less so now.

That means the Palestinians don't get anymore land.


InfraBlue wrote:
Say NO to the oppressive state of Israel.

I say yes to Israel, no matter what you falsely accuse them of.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:41 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Right. The land for peace approach is a farce.

So, no more land for the Palestinians.


InfraBlue wrote:
Two people, one Palestine.

Israel is a Jewish state. Maybe if the Palestinians convert to Judaism.


InfraBlue wrote:
Then the Zionists will never know the peace that they say they desire.

Your use of "then" is out of place. You were already withholding peace.

You can't withhold peace as retaliation for the Palestinians not getting any more land when you are withholding peace regardless of whether they get more land.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:42 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Israel's existential definition is oppressive. Say NO to oppression.

I don't find the idea of Jews governing themselves to be even remotely oppressive.


InfraBlue wrote:
Yeah. The land for peace approach was and is an untenable farce.

So, no more land for the Palestinians. They will have to make do with Area A and Gaza.


InfraBlue wrote:
Two people one Palestine.

Israel is a Jewish state. Maybe if the Palestinians convert to Judaism.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 01:43 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Israel's existential definition is textbook oppression.

I don't find the idea of Jews governing themselves to be even remotely oppressive.


InfraBlue wrote:
No, right. Zionists terrorists have fire bombed a Palestinian home burning alive a baby Palestinian and killing its parents. Zionist terrorists kidnapped a Palestinian teenager, beat him and burned him alive, among other reprehensible crimes.

You are referring to the acts of individual criminals. Accusing an entire group of crimes committed by individuals is among the vilest forms of bigotry.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 08:42 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Palestinians are also Christian and Druze.

Then they are not terrorists, and have no say in anything. Don't worry the other terrorists make up for them.
Brand X
 
  1  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 09:01 am
This guys commentary about the failure of Russiagate is spot on, and he also uses backup from Glenn Greenwald. This vid was posted about 30 min ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPgO57AzjQ&t=325s
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revelette1
 
  2  
Sat 23 Mar, 2019 09:09 am
Quote:
For nearly two years, the nation has been bitterly divided by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s ongoing investigation into the 2016 presidential election and its aftermath. To President Trump, the Mueller investigation has been the “single greatest witch hunt in American political history” — a “disgrace” and “scandal” that is nothing short of “corrupt,” “illegal” and “rigged.” To Trump’s opponents, on the other hand, it has been merely justice at work, a necessary effort to determine whether an unfit and undeserving candidate (or those who reported to him) colluded with another country to seize control of the most powerful job in the world.

Now, finally, the work is done, the report is filed, and the U.S. attorney general has in his hands the most comprehensive study yet of the connections among Russia, the election and the Trump campaign. But this must not be the end of the story.

Of course, we already know much of what Mueller’s team believes happened and, assuming it is true, it tells a shocking story about the fragility of the American election system and the willingness of malign outside forces to subvert our democracy. Mueller’s team has already asserted in court documents that there was an intricate, sophisticated Russian effort to meddle in the 2016 election through deception and disinformation — including the dissemination of fake news and the hacking of emails — to help Trump win. Though “collusion” has not been proved in any of the documents that have as yet become public, the indictments filed so far point to dozens of contacts between the Trump campaign and various Russians and their associates, many of whom had connections to the government.

For example, campaign advisor George Papadopoulos sought repeatedly to arrange a Trump-Putin meeting. Trump lawyer Michael Cohen struggled to broker a Trump Tower deal in Moscow while the campaign was underway. Campaign chairman Paul Manafort had repeated contacts during the campaign with a Russian associate with ties to that country’s intelligence services. Donald Trump Jr. held a meeting at which he was promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton from Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya. And the list goes on.

But what does it add up to? What does it mean? Is it collusion or isn’t it? Was justice obstructed after the fact? Was Trump in the loop or out of it? This is what Mueller still has to tell us. And even if he has concluded that no further crimes were committed than the ones he’s already charged, the details need to be revealed so Congress and the country can figure out what needs to happen next.

For example, suppose that Mueller has concluded that Trump didn’t violate laws against obstruction of justice by dismissing former FBI Director James B. Comey or by expressing the hope that Comey could go easy on former national security advisor Michael Flynn (an accusation by Comey that the White House has denied). Considering the same evidence that Mueller adduced, Congress might come to a different conclusion, or decide to use Mueller’s report as a resource in its own investigations. Or voters might conclude, on the basis of that evidence, that they cannot vote for President Trump again in 2020.

This week, Trump insisted that he would like the report to be released. But the final decision rests with U.S. Atty. Gen. William Barr, who was less than completely reassuring during his Senate confirmation hearings when he was asked whether he would do so. Barr noted that the regulations governing Mueller’s appointment provided for the special counsel to send the attorney general a confidential report.

But Barr also acknowledged that, under the same regulations, the attorney general makes a follow-up report to Congress that could be made public. Barr promised senators to “provide as much transparency as I can consistent with the law.” He repeated that promise in the letter he sent to top members of the House and Senate Judiciary committees Friday reporting that Mueller had concluded his investigation. Barr said he would consult with Mueller and Deputy Atty. Gen. Rod Rosenstein about what other information from the report can be released to Congress and the public.

The longer the report remains under wraps, the more that Trump and his allies will be able to advance whatever narrative they please about it. Lately, the spin has been that Mueller somehow vindicated Trump because he has not brought charges against the president or alleged explicitly that the campaign worked with Russian agents. That’s ridiculous.

And it’s all the more reason Barr must err on the side of transparency, resisting any efforts by the White House to cloak some contents of Mueller’s report by invoking national security. Because Mueller’s investigation was at least in part a counterintelligence probe, it’s possible that some information in his report could compromise sources and methods and should legitimately be withheld. But redactions should be minimal and based on recommendations from professionals in the intelligence community, not on political considerations.

For almost two years, the nation has waited for Mueller to finish his work, while worrying with good reason that Trump might move to dismiss the special counsel or abort or drastically rein in his investigation. While the prosecutors have worked quietly, Trump has repeatedly attacked the Russia investigation — hundreds of times, in speeches, on Twitter and elsewhere.

No doubt some who are insisting that Mueller’s conclusions be made public have already made up their minds about Trump’s culpability. But you don’t have to prejudge Mueller’s conclusions to recognize the importance of sharing them with the public. Barr must move quickly to do that.

5:40 p.m.: This editorial was updated to clarify the recipients of the letter Attorney General William Barr sent to Congress Friday.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-mueller-report-william-barr-russia-20190322-story.html

If this full report is not released to the public, I hope there are big protest made about it. We deserve to know exactly what is or what is not in the report.

There are still cases pending out there that will tell us more in time, but still there is a need to for voters to know the full truth.
 

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