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Anyone who believes in the Biblical flood is an idiot by default.
Physical events have physical causes. The proximate cause of the Noachean flood was a dwarf star flare event.
A recent article on the topic of dwarf stars flaring:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/flares-may-threaten-planet-habitability-near-red-dwarfs
There is substantial evidence that Jupiter and Saturn used to be dwarf stars (the thing about Jupiter and Saturn being the two chieftain gods of the old pantheon religions, the near universal worship of Saturn in ancient times etc.). Did people living on earth ever witness Jupiter or Saturn flaring?
Consider what the Bible, the King James version at least, has to say about the seven days preceding the flood:
Quote:"GEN 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth............
GEN 7:10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."
There is something interesting going on in that question of the seven days just prior to the flood but the Bible itself does not explain it, at least not clearly. There is one other place in the Bible which refers to those seven days. In Isaiah 30:26, the prophet makes a vague reference which he does not bother to explain because he assumes everybody in his audience understands the reference. He is describing the end of the world in far time and says (as the King James version has it)
Quote:"ISA 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days,,,"
Now, what has actually happened is that this text has been translated OUT of some language which, like Russian, does not use articles (when you have six declension cases you don't NEED articles); it should read "...the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of THE seven days,,,"
In other words, the passage is referring back to the seven days mentioned in Genesis 7:4 - 7:10.
Nonetheless, Isaiah 30:26 is mistranslated in all yuppy Bibles, that is, in every English Bible other than the King James at least as far as I know. Without reinserting the word "THE" in the passage, what it looks like the prophet is trying to say would be "as bright as if somebody were to somehow manage to cram seven days of daylight into one day". In fact the NIV actually inserts the word "FULL" ("... The light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven FULL days") and that totally locks the mistranslation into place.
Midrashic sources absolutely connect Isaiah 30:26 back to the two passages in Genesis 7, claiming that God turned on the primordial lights of the universe for the week prior to the flood, to commemorate the death of Methuselah.
Turning on the "primordial lights of the universe" for seven days would have to get everybody's attention. What the prophet is saying is that there were seven days of intense light and radiation, followed by the flood. In other words, the flood itself was preceded by some kind of a major event within our system, and that the flood itself was part and parcel of some kind of a system-wide catastrophe.
The kind of catastrophe which you normally associate with blinding light and radiation would be a nova condition. We can rule out the possibility of our present sun (a main sequence star) having gone nova at that time since that would have fried the entire system to cinders and we wouldn't be here. The next item down on the list for things like that, which would in fact get our attention but would stop short of frying the entire system would be for one of the dwarf stars, Jupiter or Saturn, to have FLARED.
That is basically what happened and that is basically what brought about the flood at the time of Noah.
You can believe whatever you want to about God having a role in any of that but, again, physical events have physical causes. God is mainly about information and it is easy enough to believe he might have warned the one guy, Noah, to get into the ship building business; nonetheless most people give God credit for being bright enough not to wipe the entire system over sin only to have sin back in business forty years later as if nothing had happened. I tend to view the idea of sin being involved in the flood as an embellishment added into the story by priests at a later date.
