@coldjoint,
Quote:He wants a steel fence. Duh..............
And if he had any competence in governing he'd already have the studies completed, the bulk of the funding secured, and we'd be installing sections of fencing.
When he turned border security into a symbol of intolerance and racism and made it a completely partisan issue he ensured Democratic opposition. And trying to shove it down our throats by holding the country hostage with a partial government shutdown obviously backfired. The fool made the
"border crisis" the whole theme of the midterm elections and succeeded in losing control of the House. A real stable genius at work, eh?
Of course theoretically he could have run a decent presidential campaign in 2016 which didn't involve xenophobia and racism. He could have paid lip service to DACA, talked about the need to deal compassionately with refugees etc — running more in the traditional Republican mold of Jeb! or Little Mario. But none of the resentful white nationalist "flaggots" who form his MAGA base would have voted for him.
@hightor,
It’s easy to lose sight of this amid the nutbar cacophony, but—well said.
@Setanta,
Mexico secured a loan from China to pay Mr Plump.
Joshua Tree National Park has been trashed in the shutdown. Now visitors are cutting down trees.
Quote:A week ago, Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California was forced to shut down its campgrounds due to “health and safety concerns over near-capacity pit toilets,” according to CNN.
But despite the partial closure, things continued to get worse.
According to National Parks Traveler, visitors are creating illegal roads and driving into some of the park’s most fragile areas. They are also chopping down trees, setting illegal fires, and graffitiing rocks. With Joshua Tree being roughly the size of Delaware, the eight on-duty law enforcement rangers had no way to stop all the prohibited activity.
“We had some pretty extensive four-wheel driving around the entire area to access probably our most significant tree in the park,” Joshua Tree superintendent David Smith told National Parks Traveler. “We have this hybrid live oak tree that is deciduous. It is one of our kind of iconic trees inside the park. People were driving to it and camping under it. Through the virgin desert to get to this location.”
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vox
We don't deserve our national parks.
Trump Campaigned on Mexico Paying for the Wall. Now He Says He 'Obviously' Didn't Mean It
By TARA LAW
January 10, 2019
When he launched his campaign, Donald Trump argued that he would force Mexico to pay for a border wall. Now he says he “obviously” didn’t mean it.
“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall,” Trump said in his June 16, 2015 speech at Trump Tower. “Mark my words.”
Like many of the claims in that speech, Trump did not offer specifics. But as the campaign went on, he said he would find the money by reducing the trade deficit (that wouldn’t really work), convincing Mexico to pay with clever deal-making, forcing it to pay by blocking wire transfers and visas, increasing visa fees on Mexican citizens or building the wall first and convincing Mexico to reimburse the U.S.
In 2016, Trump even said specifically that Mexico would be compelled to give the U.S. a “one-time payment” of $5 to 10 billion for the wall, both in a memo sent to reporters and in his campaign platform.
But as he prepared to fly to the southern border on Thursday, Trump changed his tune, claiming, falsely, that he never said that Mexico would pay for the border wall and that he never meant that the country would literally hand the U.S. money for the wall.
“When during the campaign, I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they’re gonna write out a check, I said they’re going to pay for it. They are,” Trump said.
Again, Trump did say Mexico would pay for the wall, and he did say that it would hand the U.S. money for it.
Trump’s latest comment about Mexico paying for the wall came just hours after White House strategic communications director Mercedes Schlapp said in a CNN interview that U.S. taxpayers will foot the bill for the wall.
“Yes. And you know what else taxpayers are paying for? The financial burden of this illegal immigration,” Schlapp said Wednesday in response to a question about whether Americans were paying for the wall.
Trump’s statement also comes amid a partial government shutdown designed to coerce House Democrats into voting for $5.7 billion for a wall or “steel barrier” on the southern border.
As president, Trump has argued that Mexico will pay for the wall indirectly through the U.S. Mexico Canada Agreement, which has not been ratified. However, experts say that the new deal doesn’t have any provisions to use tariff funds to build a wall and that Mexico would never agree to the treaty if it did.
Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Mexico is paying (indirectly) for the Wall through the new USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA! Far more money coming to the U.S. Because of the tremendous dangers at the Border, including large scale criminal and drug inflow, the United States Military will build the Wall!
8:43 AM - Dec 19, 2018
“That’s not the way trade agreements work,” Welles Orr, who worked on the original NAFTA agreement as the Assistant U.S. Trade Representative for Congressional Affairs under George H.W. Bush, told TIME. “Tariffs that are collected by the U.S. Treasury would fund the U.S. Treasury.”
The claim that Mexico would pay for the wall indirectly is at odds with the Trump campaign’s most specific descriptions of how it would work.
In a two-page memo released to the Washington Post and other outlets on March 31, 2016, Trump presented a detailed plan on how to “compel Mexico to pay for the wall.” This plan would include including implementing new trade tariffs, cancelling visas and increasing visa fees.
The memo said the first step would be to block Mexican nationals who are in the U.S., legally and illegally, from wiring money back to Mexico. Trump wrote that this would prevent about $24 billion from flowing into Mexico.
“It’s an easy decision for Mexico. Make a one-time payment of $5 – $10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year,” the memo said.
Trump’s campaign platform also said that the U.S. would take multiple steps to force Mexico to pay for the wall. Besides impounding remittances, the platform said that as president, he would would also increase fees for visas and border crossing cards, as well as fees at border entries.
“We will not be taken advantage of anymore,” the platform concluded.
Trump had also previously suggested other ways that Mexico could pay for the wall. In an April 2015 tweet, Trump wrote that the U.S. deduct the cost of the wall “from Mexican foreign aid.”
@neptuneblue,
45 is so full of **** that his eyes turned brown...
@hightor,
People can dig tunnels under a wall, and they can saw through steel fencing.
@revelette1,
It was actually Jim Acosta who proved that the wall works, he stood in front of the wall and kept commenting on there was no emergency there... of course there isn't, it's got a proper border barrier. The illegal immigrants move onto another portion of the border that doesn't have that good barrier. Thank you Jim Acosta.
@revelette1,
Quote:People can dig tunnels under a wall, and they can saw through steel fencing.
Absolutely. But it takes some effort. It's never going to function as a
cordon sanitaire. I think with better surveillance and installation of electronic sensors the security could be further enhanced. Remember, an enlightened policy would allow immigrants and refugees to enter legally at border stations. The barriers only serve to discourage the "coyotes" and people from putting their lives in danger by striking out across really dangerous and inhospitable terrain.
I think there's something between "Trump's Wall" on one extreme and "open borders" at the other end of the scale. Sure, we could mount a campaign for no border barriers whatsoever but then we'd have to start removing sections of the barrier which are already in place and I'm not sure the result would be to our liking. What's "immoral" about directing people to official points of entry for processing?
@hightor,
Quote:What's "immoral" about directing people to official points of entry for processing?
Nothing except usually aren't they just arrested rather than directed to official points of entry? I agree, as usual the most correct answer is found in the middle of two extremes. I don't agree with open borders either.
@revelette1,
Quote:Nothing except usually aren't they just arrested rather than directed to official points of entry? I agree, as usual the most correct answer is found in the middle of two extremes. I don't agree with open borders either.
People who present themselves at the border are not arrested, only those who enter illegally are arrested.
@coldjoint,
Polish up on reading comprehension, there is a humanitarian crisis at the border. There is a difference between kidnapping babies and warehousing them in Tender Age Shelters with poorly trained shelter personnel And the fantasy that caravans of MS 13 gang members are invading the country and taking over.