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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 03:28 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
He wants a steel fence. Duh..............

And if he had any competence in governing he'd already have the studies completed, the bulk of the funding secured, and we'd be installing sections of fencing.

When he turned border security into a symbol of intolerance and racism and made it a completely partisan issue he ensured Democratic opposition. And trying to shove it down our throats by holding the country hostage with a partial government shutdown obviously backfired. The fool made the
"border crisis" the whole theme of the midterm elections and succeeded in losing control of the House. A real stable genius at work, eh?

Of course theoretically he could have run a decent presidential campaign in 2016 which didn't involve xenophobia and racism. He could have paid lip service to DACA, talked about the need to deal compassionately with refugees etc — running more in the traditional Republican mold of Jeb! or Little Mario. But none of the resentful white nationalist "flaggots" who form his MAGA base would have voted for him.
Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 03:30 am
@hightor,
It’s easy to lose sight of this amid the nutbar cacophony, but—well said.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 03:45 am
@Setanta,
Mexico secured a loan from China to pay Mr Plump.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 03:49 am
Joshua Tree National Park has been trashed in the shutdown. Now visitors are cutting down trees.

Quote:
A week ago, Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California was forced to shut down its campgrounds due to “health and safety concerns over near-capacity pit toilets,” according to CNN.

But despite the partial closure, things continued to get worse.

According to National Parks Traveler, visitors are creating illegal roads and driving into some of the park’s most fragile areas. They are also chopping down trees, setting illegal fires, and graffitiing rocks. With Joshua Tree being roughly the size of Delaware, the eight on-duty law enforcement rangers had no way to stop all the prohibited activity.

“We had some pretty extensive four-wheel driving around the entire area to access probably our most significant tree in the park,” Joshua Tree superintendent David Smith told National Parks Traveler. “We have this hybrid live oak tree that is deciduous. It is one of our kind of iconic trees inside the park. People were driving to it and camping under it. Through the virgin desert to get to this location.”

(...)

vox

We don't deserve our national parks.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 07:06 am
Trump Campaigned on Mexico Paying for the Wall. Now He Says He 'Obviously' Didn't Mean It
By TARA LAW
January 10, 2019

When he launched his campaign, Donald Trump argued that he would force Mexico to pay for a border wall. Now he says he “obviously” didn’t mean it.

“I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall,” Trump said in his June 16, 2015 speech at Trump Tower. “Mark my words.”

Like many of the claims in that speech, Trump did not offer specifics. But as the campaign went on, he said he would find the money by reducing the trade deficit (that wouldn’t really work), convincing Mexico to pay with clever deal-making, forcing it to pay by blocking wire transfers and visas, increasing visa fees on Mexican citizens or building the wall first and convincing Mexico to reimburse the U.S.

In 2016, Trump even said specifically that Mexico would be compelled to give the U.S. a “one-time payment” of $5 to 10 billion for the wall, both in a memo sent to reporters and in his campaign platform.

But as he prepared to fly to the southern border on Thursday, Trump changed his tune, claiming, falsely, that he never said that Mexico would pay for the border wall and that he never meant that the country would literally hand the U.S. money for the wall.

“When during the campaign, I would say ‘Mexico is going to pay for it,’ obviously, I never said this, and I never meant they’re gonna write out a check, I said they’re going to pay for it. They are,” Trump said.

Again, Trump did say Mexico would pay for the wall, and he did say that it would hand the U.S. money for it.

Trump’s latest comment about Mexico paying for the wall came just hours after White House strategic communications director Mercedes Schlapp said in a CNN interview that U.S. taxpayers will foot the bill for the wall.

“Yes. And you know what else taxpayers are paying for? The financial burden of this illegal immigration,” Schlapp said Wednesday in response to a question about whether Americans were paying for the wall.

Trump’s statement also comes amid a partial government shutdown designed to coerce House Democrats into voting for $5.7 billion for a wall or “steel barrier” on the southern border.

As president, Trump has argued that Mexico will pay for the wall indirectly through the U.S. Mexico Canada Agreement, which has not been ratified. However, experts say that the new deal doesn’t have any provisions to use tariff funds to build a wall and that Mexico would never agree to the treaty if it did.


Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Mexico is paying (indirectly) for the Wall through the new USMCA, the replacement for NAFTA! Far more money coming to the U.S. Because of the tremendous dangers at the Border, including large scale criminal and drug inflow, the United States Military will build the Wall!
8:43 AM - Dec 19, 2018

“That’s not the way trade agreements work,” Welles Orr, who worked on the original NAFTA agreement as the Assistant U.S. Trade Representative for Congressional Affairs under George H.W. Bush, told TIME. “Tariffs that are collected by the U.S. Treasury would fund the U.S. Treasury.”

The claim that Mexico would pay for the wall indirectly is at odds with the Trump campaign’s most specific descriptions of how it would work.

In a two-page memo released to the Washington Post and other outlets on March 31, 2016, Trump presented a detailed plan on how to “compel Mexico to pay for the wall.” This plan would include including implementing new trade tariffs, cancelling visas and increasing visa fees.

The memo said the first step would be to block Mexican nationals who are in the U.S., legally and illegally, from wiring money back to Mexico. Trump wrote that this would prevent about $24 billion from flowing into Mexico.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico. Make a one-time payment of $5 – $10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year,” the memo said.

Trump’s campaign platform also said that the U.S. would take multiple steps to force Mexico to pay for the wall. Besides impounding remittances, the platform said that as president, he would would also increase fees for visas and border crossing cards, as well as fees at border entries.

“We will not be taken advantage of anymore,” the platform concluded.

Trump had also previously suggested other ways that Mexico could pay for the wall. In an April 2015 tweet, Trump wrote that the U.S. deduct the cost of the wall “from Mexican foreign aid.”
Region Philbis
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 07:14 am
@neptuneblue,

45 is so full of **** that his eyes turned brown...
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 07:23 am
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Robert Crumb interviewed about Donald Trump

https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/hup3.jpg

It's always interesting to hear what Robert Crumb has to say about notable people, alive and dead. In the latest installment of "Crumb on Others," Alexander Wood asks Crumb about Castro, Lenin, and Trump.


https://boingboing.net/2017/01/17/robert-crumb-interviewed-about.html
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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 08:41 am
@hightor,
People can dig tunnels under a wall, and they can saw through steel fencing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwjnalDWwAA2oKM.jpg
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 08:43 am
Trump accidentally shows why there is no need for his wall during visit to Texas border
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 09:24 am
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Poland's security services say a Chinese businessman and a Polish man, both employed in telecoms, have been arrested for spying.

The Chinese national, named as Weijing W, worked for a Chinese company in Poland, the security services said. Media reports say this is Huawei.

Huawei told the BBC it was aware of the situation and was looking into it.

The tech company has been a focal point of international scrutiny. with several countries raising security concerns.

Its chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou - the daughter of its founder - was arrested in Canada last month and faces extradition to the US on charges of breaking Iran sanctions.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46836377
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 09:29 am
@revelette1,
It was actually Jim Acosta who proved that the wall works, he stood in front of the wall and kept commenting on there was no emergency there... of course there isn't, it's got a proper border barrier. The illegal immigrants move onto another portion of the border that doesn't have that good barrier. Thank you Jim Acosta.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 09:56 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
People can dig tunnels under a wall, and they can saw through steel fencing.

Absolutely. But it takes some effort. It's never going to function as a cordon sanitaire. I think with better surveillance and installation of electronic sensors the security could be further enhanced. Remember, an enlightened policy would allow immigrants and refugees to enter legally at border stations. The barriers only serve to discourage the "coyotes" and people from putting their lives in danger by striking out across really dangerous and inhospitable terrain.

I think there's something between "Trump's Wall" on one extreme and "open borders" at the other end of the scale. Sure, we could mount a campaign for no border barriers whatsoever but then we'd have to start removing sections of the barrier which are already in place and I'm not sure the result would be to our liking. What's "immoral" about directing people to official points of entry for processing?
revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 10:00 am
@hightor,
Quote:
What's "immoral" about directing people to official points of entry for processing?


Nothing except usually aren't they just arrested rather than directed to official points of entry? I agree, as usual the most correct answer is found in the middle of two extremes. I don't agree with open borders either.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 10:03 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Nothing except usually aren't they just arrested rather than directed to official points of entry? I agree, as usual the most correct answer is found in the middle of two extremes. I don't agree with open borders either.

People who present themselves at the border are not arrested, only those who enter illegally are arrested.
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 10:23 am
What Trump Could Learn From His Shutdown
Quote:
You know the system has broken down when the clearest way out of a government shutdown may be for the president to declare a fake national emergency.

This was the direction President Trump appeared to be leaning on Thursday, as he flew to McAllen, Tex., to promote his border wall — a P.R. stunt that he didn’t want to perform and that he said in advance was unlikely to bear fruit. "It's not going to change a damn thing,” he was reported to have said, “but I'm still doing it."

He’s probably right. Negotiations to end the shutdown prompted by Mr. Trump’s wall fixation have gone nowhere — despite the president’s storming out of his Wednesday huddle with lawmakers — and his show at the border won’t change that. The growing sense is that to break the impasse Mr. Trump will need to find a way to at least claim to be building his wall without Congress, possibly by attempting the norm-shattering and constitutionally suspect tactic of declaring the border situation a national emergency requiring military intervention.

As the president stews over his wall, more and more Americans are feeling the squeeze from what, if it goes beyond Friday, will be the government’s longest stoppage ever. Millions of lives already have been upended — well beyond the 800,000 federal workers not getting paid — and millions more could be if the dysfunction continues, disrupting everything from air travel to the federal courts to basic services throughout Indian Country like health care and law enforcement.

How did we get into this sorry situation? A meltdown of this magnitude typically has many causes. In this case, the president’s inability to reach some sort of deal rests heavily on several basic failures of understanding by him and his team. These include:

1. A failure to grasp how divided government works. The president somehow came to believe that he’d have more leverage once the Democrats took control of the House. Maybe someone convinced him that, after the transfer of power, he could shift blame for the impasse onto Speaker Nancy Pelosi — a favorite villain of Republicans. Or maybe he assumed that Pelosi & Company would fold in the face of the dysfunction and public outcry a shutdown would bring. Whatever the logic, Team Trump assumed Democrats would become more pliable, and a deal would emerge.

Unfortunately, Mr. Trump has been spoiled by two years of Congress being led by weak-kneed members of his party who, even when troubled by his excesses, largely let him run amok, lest he call down upon them the wrath of the Republican base.

But for their part, Ms. Pelosi and her new majority are concerned about presenting a united front against Mr. Trump’s challenges to constitutional authority. With the president’s wall having become a flash point, the political costs to Democrats for cutting a deal seen as advantageous to Mr. Trump would be steep.

2. A failure to understand the costs of playing only to the base. While Republican lawmakers may be awed by Mr. Trump’s command of their party’s troops, Democrats are more motivated by the fact that the bulk of the electorate is tired of the president’s divisive demagogy. Time and again, Mr. Trump has chosen partisanship over leadership, doing nothing to expand his appeal. This puts him at a disadvantage in wooing the public to his side of the wall debate.

3. A failure to understand Nancy Pelosi. Apparently, Mr. Trump never got around to reading “The Art of War,” or at least not Sun Tzu’s admonition to “know your enemy.” If he had, the president would have tried to develop at least a basic working relationship with Ms. Pelosi. The White House clearly assumed that, at some point — maybe after she secured the speaker’s gavel — Ms. Pelosi would bend to Mr. Trump’s will. But the speaker is not impressed with bluster. She is seldom cowed by political pressure from her own team, much less the opposing one. She plays the long game, and her will is as formidable as Mr. Trump’s, possibly more so. One key difference: Ms. Pelosi knows how the legislative process works.

4. A failure to understand shutdown politics. If you don’t want to be blamed for one, don’t say you’re going to own it. Mr. Trump sacrificed that option when he boasted how “proud” he’d be to grind the government to a halt.

5. A failure to understand how the government works. Neither Mr. Trump nor anyone on his team had a clue how disruptive even a partial shutdown could be — and how they’d need to scurry to prevent millions of people from losing food stamps, housing or tax refunds.

6. A failure to understand how members of Congress operate. Standing by the president when he’s tweeting out empty threats and insults is one thing. But when a shutdown starts causing pain and outrage back home, Republican lawmakers, especially those in vulnerable districts or states, start asking themselves which they value more — their president or their political hides. Even casual students of Congress know that this is not a tough call.

Bottom line: Mr. Trump loves to boast that he leads with his “gut.” He really can’t be bothered with all the humdrum details of governing, remaining proudly ignorant of how anything works in Washington — the presidency, the Congress, the Constitution. That’s left him in a standoff for which he was wholly unprepared.

For the sake of the millions being hurt, let’s hope he manages to blunder himself back out of this mess soon.


nyt
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 11:01 am
@hightor,
Quote:
What Trump Could Learn From His Shutdown

What the NYT believes Trump could learn from the shutdown. Who cares to read the bias crap thy push in opinion pieces? The Democrats are the ones who could learn something.
Quote:
to declare a fake national emergency.

That begins the article with a lie. The WP just said last week there was a crisis on the border.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 11:10 am
@hightor,
Quote:
When he turned border security into a symbol of intolerance and racism

The MSM did that.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 11:13 am
@coldjoint,
Polish up on reading comprehension, there is a humanitarian crisis at the border. There is a difference between kidnapping babies and warehousing them in Tender Age Shelters with poorly trained shelter personnel And the fantasy that caravans of MS 13 gang members are invading the country and taking over.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 11:16 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
And the fantasy that caravans of MS 13 gang members

That is a fantasy, no one ever said that. You are lying, but what's new about that? Nothing.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Reply Fri 11 Jan, 2019 11:27 am
@Region Philbis,
Quote:
45 is so full of **** that his eyes turned brown...

Enough to crap out an Obama?
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