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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 02:17 pm
@coldjoint,
Then you lose. You repeatedly take one part and project it as if it were the whole which it decidedly is not in docttrine ans amongst muslims. You live uin the frenzied world of ultra far right fantasy and conspiracy.
glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 02:20 pm
Some folks are so empty that they only feel alive when they are hating. It’s lazy.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 02:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
not in docttrine ans amongst muslims.

I have explained Muslims have no choice. That is you showing your outright ignorance of Islam.

You lose I am not a racist or bigot that is the reality you refuse to accept.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 02:24 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
It’s lazy.

I get tired of bowing to experts, but here I go again.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 05:02 pm
Quote:
The Rebel in Paris: Migrants turn France into “a Third World country”


Kind of like San Francisco.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 05:37 pm
Hatred corrodes the container it’s carried in.
Lash
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 06:21 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Liberals are dedicated to making America live up to the promises in the Constitution, wherever it falls short. Libdeerals are dedicated to Lincoln's democrantic axioms: government of the people, by the people, FOR THE PEOPLE.


Sorry. I’d focused so much on this, I didn’t think to isolate it from the balance of the post.

This was the generalization I referred to.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 06:53 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Hatred corrodes the container it’s carried in.

How do you dispose of those? You seem to be talking from experience. You are wasting your time, unless of course you can post something that proves a fabricated lie by those I strongly disagree with is something more than a fabricated lie.

Have at it, it is better than gossiping.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:08 pm
Quote:
President Trump DEMOLISHES Left with Border Wall Court Victory

Quote:
According to CNBC:

The groups asked the court to reject a 1996 law signed by President Bill Clinton that provides the executive branch with authority to waive environmental laws if those laws impede construction of barriers and roads near the border.

Then the law was expanded by Congress in 2005 to give the Department of Homeland Security authority to waive “all legal requirements” that could stand in the way of border construction.

The environmental groups said that government’s ability to waive the laws is unconstitutional. The justices did not issue a ruling on that matter.

Good news.
https://theblacksphere.net/2018/12/president-trump-demolishes-left-with-border-wall-court-victory/
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:23 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I have explained Muslims have no choice. That is you showing your outright ignorance of Islam.You lose I am not a racist or bigot that is the reality you refuse to accept.


False. It's your bigoted ideology that routinely is wrong:

Islam teaches the importance of both belief and practice; one is insufficient without the other (except for some Sufis). The following six beliefs are those that are commonly held by Muslims, as laid out in the Quran and hadith.


Six Major Beliefs

Belief in the Oneness of God: Muslims believe that God is the creator of all things, and that God is all-powerful and all-knowing. God has no offspring, no race, no gender, no body, and is unaffected by the characteristics of human life.

Belief in the Angels of God: Muslims believe in angels, unseen beings who worship God and carry out God's orders throughout the universe. The angel Gabriel brought the divine revelation to the prophets.

Belief in the Books of God: Muslims believe that God revealed holy books or scriptures to a number of God's messengers. These include the Quran (given to Muhammad), the Torah (given to Moses), the Gospel (given to Jesus), the Psalms (given to David), and the Scrolls (given to Abraham). Muslims believe that these earlier scriptures in their original form were divinely revealed, but that only the Quran remains as it was first revealed to the prophet Muhammad.

Belief in the Prophets or Messengers of God: Muslims believe that God's guidance has been revealed to humankind through specially appointed messengers, or prophets, throughout history, beginning with the first man, Adam, who is considered the first prophet. Twenty-five of these prophets are mentioned by name in the Quran, including Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. Muslims believe that Muhammad is the last in this line of prophets, sent for all humankind with the message of Islam.

Belief in the Day of Judgment: Muslims believe that on the Day of Judgment, humans will be judged for their actions in this life; those who followed God's guidance will be rewarded with paradise; those who rejected God's guidance will be punished with hell.

Belief in the Divine Decree: This article of faith addresses the question of God's will. It can be expressed as the belief that everything is governed by divine decree, namely that whatever happens in one's life is preordained, and that believers should respond to the good or bad that befalls them with thankfulness or patience. This concept does not negate the concept of "free will;" since humans do not have prior knowledge of God's decree, they do have freedom of choice.


Major Practices/Duties of Muslims

Muslims are asked to put their beliefs into practice by performing certain acts of worship. As in all faiths, since adherence to religious obligations and practices is a matter of individual choice, some people are very strict in performing these duties, while others are not.

The five pillars or acts of worship in Islam

The Declaration of Faith (shahada): The first act of worship is the declaration that "There is no deity except God and Muhammad is the messenger of God." Muslims repeat this statement many times a day during their prayers. If someone wants to become a Muslim, he or she makes this profession of faith as an entry into Islam.

Prayer (salat): Islam prescribes a brief prayer or ritual worship five times a day: at dawn, noon, late afternoon, sunset and night. Muslims perform ablution before prayer -- a brief prescribed washing of the hands, mouth, nose, face, arms and feet. One may pray alone or in a group in any clean location, including a mosque. The Friday noon prayer is special to Muslims and is done in a mosque if possible. Muslims face in the direction of Mecca when they pray.

Charity (zakat): Muslims are required to give to the poor and needy. Islam prescribes an obligatory charity, known as zakat, based on two and a half percent of one's income and wealth. In addition to this prescribed charity, Muslims are encouraged to give as much as they can in voluntary charity throughout the year.

Fasting (sawm): Muslims are required to fast from dawn to sunset during the month of Ramadan, the ninth month of the lunar calendar. People gather in the evenings for a festive breaking of the fast. When fasting, Muslims refrain from food, liquid, and sexual activity. During Ramadan, Muslims are also supposed to abstain from negative behaviors such as lying, gossip, petty arguments, and negative thoughts or behaviors, including getting angry. Muslims are required to start fasting when they reach puberty, although some younger children may also fast. People who are sick, traveling, menstruating, and pregnant or nursing may break their fast, but may make up the days later in the year. The elderly and people with disabilities are excused from fasting.

Ramadan was the month in which the revelation of the Quran to Muhammad began. Therefore Muslims are encouraged to read the Quran during this month and often gather in the evenings in mosques to listen to recitations from the Quran.

Eid al-Fitr (eed' al fi'-ter), or the "Festival of the Fast-Breaking," one of the major Muslim holidays, celebrates the completion of the Ramadan fast and occurs on the first day of the month after Ramadan. This is a day of celebration, prayers, feasts and gift giving.

Pilgrimage to Mecca (hajj): Every Muslim is required to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, located in Saudi Arabia, once in their lifetime if financially and physically able. Mecca is home to the first house of worship of God, the Kaaba, said to have been built by the prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael. Muslims all over the world face towards the Kaaba when they pray. All outward symbols of rank and wealth are erased during the pilgrimage, as Muslim from every part of the globe come together for the purpose of worshipping God. Muslims who complete the pilgrimage are referred to as "Hajji" and greeted with great celebration and respect in their communities when they return.

Eid al-Adha (eed' al ad'-ha), or the "Festival of the Sacrifice," is the second major holiday in Islam. It falls on the tenth day of the month at the conclusion of the pilgrimage, and is celebrated by all Muslims with special prayers, feasts, gifts and the sacrifice of an animal (usually a lamb or goat). The meat is distributed to relatives, friends and the needy.


Daily Life of Muslims

Islam contains many rules for daily life and human relationships. The first source of these rules is the Quran and the second is the hadith or reports of the prophet Muhammad's words or actions.

Prohibitions: In Islam, everything considered harmful either to the body, mind, soul or society is prohibited (haram), while whatever is beneficial is permissible (halal). Islam prohibits Muslims from consuming pork, alcohol or mind-altering drugs. Muslims are required to eat meat that is butchered and blessed in an Islamic way. This meat is called "halal." Muslims are also prohibited from gambling, taking interest, fortune-telling, killing, lying, stealing, cheating, oppressing or abusing others, being greedy or stingy, engaging in sex outside of marriage, disrespecting parents, and mistreating relatives, orphans or neighbors.

Role of clergy: There is no hierarchy of clergy in Islam, nor do Muslim religious leaders have the power to forgive people of their sins. Every individual has a direct relationship with God without any intermediary. There are religious leaders or scholars, called ulema, who have studied and are experts in different aspects of Islam, such as Sharia, hadith, or Quranic recitation. It is also important to note that there is not one Islamic authority; so there are differences among Muslim scholars.

Conversion to Islam: Muslims are encouraged to share their faith with others. However, Muslims are told not to attack others' beliefs or engage in conflicts or debates about matters of religion. There is no formal ceremony for conversion. People must merely believe in and recite the shahada to convert to Islam.


Role of Muslim Women/Gender Issues in Islam

Contrary to how popular culture portrays Muslim women's rights and privileges, Islam gives women many rights, including the right to inherit, to work outside the home, and to be educated. As in all cultures and communities, these rights are often violated. This is the result of the intersection of Islam with existing cultural norms, which may reflect male-dominated societies. In Muslim communities, women often have a strong influence in the family, the workplace, the religion and society in general. This section provides an overview of women's roles and rights in several areas.

Marriage: Since men and women are not supposed to date, parents arrange marriages in some Muslim countries. However, the ultimate decision lies with the prospective couple. In Western countries, prospective spouses usually meet in a family setting or a public place, and often choose their partner on their own, although they still seek the approval of their parents.

Marriage in Islam is a mutual contract between a man and a woman to live together according to the teachings of Islam and to bring up their children in their faith. According to Islamic law, the man is completely responsible for taking care of his wife's and children's financial needs. A woman's earnings are hers to spend as she chooses, although she may contribute to the expenses of the household if she wishes. Although Islam permits men to practice polygamy, it is an exception, not the norm, and carries the condition that a man must treat his wives equally. Since the Quran says that no man can treat more than one wife equally, many Muslims consider polygamy forbidden.

Family Life: The family is considered extremely important in Islam. The Muslim family encompasses the entire circle of familial relationships, including in-laws. Obligations to parents and other relatives are strongly stressed. Extended family often live in the same house or neighborhood, and even when they do not, the family is quite close emotionally.

Public Life: Muslim women are permitted to participate in all walks of life as long as their modesty is not affected. Muslim women have the right to be educated, work outside the home, and contribute to society. Because of the influence of mothers on their children, it becomes even more important that women be educated.

Modesty: Both men and women are expected to present themselves in a manner that emphasizes modesty. Hijab or covering, for example, is so that women's sexuality will not become a source of temptation or enter into their interactions with men. Many Muslim women view hijab as liberating them from the male gaze. Men are also required to behave and dress modestly. The dress varies for women and men from culture to culture, and according to individual beliefs.

Relations between Men and Women: Islam requires that Muslim men and women observe modesty in their interactions. Muslim men and women should relate as brothers and sisters, and avoid any interaction that might lead to sexual or romantic activity prior to marriage. Although this prohibition is often affected by Westernized ideas, Islam requires that both men and women remain chaste until marriage.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:34 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Islam teaches the importance of both belief and practice; one is insufficient without the other (except for some Sufis). The following six beliefs are those that are commonly held by Muslims, as laid out in the Quran and hadith.

Really?
Quote:
Belief in the Divine Decree: This article of faith addresses the question of God's will. It can be expressed as the belief that everything is governed by divine decree, namely that whatever happens in one's life is preordained, and that believers should respond to the good or bad that befalls them with thankfulness or patience. This concept does not negate the concept of "free will;" since humans do not have prior knowledge of God's decree, they do have freedom of choice.

The concept of Islam is Islam, it is simply everything. And that freedom of choice can kill you.
Next find me something backing up what is said about free will from Islamic text like I can when I say something about Islam.

Quote:
False. It's your bigoted ideology that routinely is wrong:

What is a more bigoted ideology than Islam?
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:48 pm
@coldjoint,
You cherry pick ideals and for the most part, you're right. Although the fundamental flaw with all religions is that there's always extremists. The majority of teaching of Islam ARE peaceful. Again, you parade the bad and neglect the good.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:49 pm
Quote:
Introduction

The discussion of Free Will and Predestination in Islam must begin with certain presumptions concerning the character of Allah. It must further be acknowledged that these presumptions are all orthodox Muslim dogma.
Four Premises

1. Allah is omniscient.
2. Nothing happens except by Allah’s will.
3. Allah Himself has free will.
4. Allah cannot make a mistake.

If these statements are all presumed true, then they can serve as the logical starting points for determining their consistency with the concept of a “test for salvation.”
Analysis

A. Because nothing happens except by Allah’s will, all human beings are created only according to Allah’s will.

B. Because Allah is omniscient, Allah knows the eventual fate of every person even before the moment of their creation.

C. Because Allah has free will, he has the free will to create or not create any human being he chooses.

D. Therefore, at the moments of creation, Allah is choosing to create some people that he already knows will be saved, and others that he already knows will be condemned to hell.

E. Therefore, since the results of every lifetime are already known even prior to creation, the “test” for salvation is already complete even before the created individual is born.

Q.E.D. Life on earth cannot be a test for salvation. The test is already complete before life on earth takes place.
Further Analysis

F. If a human being were capable of doing anything to change his fate from the one Allah already determined, then Allah would have made a mistake.

G. Since Allah cannot make a mistake, a human being cannot do anything to change his fate from the one Allah already determined.

Q.E.D. Human beings cannot have free will.
Sahih Ahadith

Now, not only is this a logical conclusion based on the concept of Allah himself, but it also a position that is formally expressed in several Sahih ahadith. At least four times in Sahih Bukhari,[1][2][3][4] and once in Sahih Muslim,[5] we find versions of the following hadith:

The Hadith is at the link. Your turn. It is loaded with references.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Free_Will_and_Predestination_in_Islam
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:50 pm
posted the link elsewhere but it also applies here

https://hillreporter.com/trumps-team-considers-removing-mike-pence-from-2020-ticket-16797
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:52 pm
@coldjoint,
I won't debate the negative side of religion - it's futile with fanatics.

coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 07:57 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
You cherry pick ideals and for the most part

Actually the terrorists have. Their actions prove what I have been saying. Those actions are inspired and obligated by Islam. Nothing will change that. The clear message is Islam must dominate the world.
Quote:
you parade the bad and neglect the good.

What are the good going to do to harm us?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 08:00 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
I won't debate the negative side of religion

Please tell me a positive about Sharia.
Quote:
it's futile with fanatics.

Life is not one big excuse after another.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 08:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Global solutions to religious intolerance
14th April 2017 in National

By Razaq Bamidele

Religious intolerance is a global malaise that has triggered anarchy and turmoil in several parts of the world. Since the ‘70s, Nigeria has had more than a fair share of religious conflicts.

Studies have shown that between the Kano Maitatsine riot of October 1980 and the recent crisis in southen Kaduna in 2017, Nigeria has experienced over 100 incidences of violent religious conflicts that sadly resulted in killings, maiming and wanton destruction of property.

Against this backdrop an Islamic organization, Anwarul-Islam Movement of Nigeria decided to celebrate its 101st Annual Conference with a three-day seminar to commence with a lecture entitled; ‘Emerging trend of religious intolerance: Causes, Issues and Solutions.’

Addressing a press conference in Lagos on Tuesday to herald the commencement of the National Conference, the Movement’s National President, Alhaji Mubashir Adekunle Okanlawon Ojelade said the topic of discussion was apt and in line with the mood of the world at large and Nigeria as an affected country.

Ojelade, a lawyer told the newsmen that, “the annual parley, which will hold between Friday, April 14 (today) and Sunday 16 promises to be exciting, fulfilling and will deal with a subject that must be of interest to us as Muslims and Nigerians.”

Speaking further, Ojelade, who stressed the need for proper education, correct information and basic and relevant knowledge about religions, particularly Islam, recommended a nine-point solution to the malaise of religious conflicts across the globe.

The recommendations, according to him, are:

1- Religious education in schools (including comparative religious studies) to promote religious understanding and prevent radicalization particularly among the youth

2- Teachers of religious studies must be well-trained and groomed themselves.

3- Support and funding for the National Inter Religious Council and the state chapters of the council.

4- Regular parleys and dialogue between religious leaders and government at the federal and state levels. (The initiative by the Lagos State Government on this regard is commendable.)

5- Moving in promptly and decisively (not necessarily violently) to deal with crises when they occur. Government must act fairly and must not be one-sided in its intervention.

6- Government must address the socio-economic problems and unemployment in the country and the resultant deprivation, pain, frustration, agony, hunger and anger of the citizens (particularly the youth) which make them vulnerable and susceptible to crime.

7- The security agents must be well-trained and adequately equipped to carry out intelligence and surveillance on religious bodies and preachers that show tendencies toward extremism and radicalism.

8. As much as possible, religion should not be subject of campaign during elections.

9. And the Federal Government must secure our land borders, which presently are too porous, to prevent influx of illegal aliens that may constitute security threat to the country.

The national chairman reasoned that, it is high time the mutual religious suspicion in the land was addressed to usher in religious harmony and peaceful coexistence among the populace as preached by Islam “which is the religion of peace.”

Ojelade then urged the government to deal decisively, under the law of the land, with anybody or group that commits a crime or perpetrates violence under the guise of religion.

He however regretted that, “our challenge in the country is that the religious leaders have not been as mature and circumspect as they ought to be in reacting to religious issues by making inflammatory, uncomplimentary and inciting hate speeches, which can only compound issues or serve as inspiration for further violence.”

While asserting that Islam means peace in its entirety, Ojelade regretted that, “the unholy activities of the insurgents, who use Islam as motivation for violence is giving the religion a wrong and unfortunate label.”

The national chairman expressed worry about the growing tendency to demonize and stigmatize Islam and Muslims, declaring, however, that those who preach hatred and violence in religion and are doing their own work, not work of God.

“Insurgency is anathema to Islam. As such, Boko Haram and others who pretend to advance Islam through violence or compulsion are on their own and do not act for or represent Muslims,” Ojelade submitted.

The Anwar-ul-Islam leader disabused the minds of the populace about insinuation that there was a plot to Islamize Nigeria by quoting His Eminence, the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Sa’ad Abubakar who spoke at an event in Enugu some time ago.

The Sultan was quoted as saying that, “more Muslims died in the Boko Haram than Christians. You cannot Islamize people by killing them. You Islamize somebody by showing him love because there is no compulsion in the Islamic faith. So, please don’t look at any criminal from the religion he practices. Political leaders should stop using religion to divide the country,” the Sultan urged.

Ojelade didn’t stop at that. He also quoted the British Prime Minister, Theresa May on the recent attack on British Parliament when she contended that, “it is wrong to describe the attack as Islamic terrorism.”

Speaking to the Parliament, May said: “The attack showed the importance of all of our faiths working and recognizing the values that we share. This act of terror was not an act of faith. It was a pervasion, a warped ideology which leads to an act of terrorism like that. And it will not prevail.”

She therefore warned against “demonizing” or “stigmatizing” Muslims just as she condemned Islamophopia, racial and religious discrimination.
Tulip Sidiq, the Labour MP for Hampstead and Kilburn, according to Ojelade, also said that, “the people who commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam do not speak for the majority of the Muslims in this country.”
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 08:11 pm
Pros and cons of growing up Amish
FROM THE BOING BOING SHOP

Tim Ferriss, author of The 4-Hour Workweek, interviewed a woman who "escaped from the Amish." It's fascinating. Here's an excerpt:

200807161414.jpgWhat were the positives of growing up Amish?

-Growing up bilingual (Though I didn’t become fluent in English until after I escaped and I was always very self-conscious about my command of the English language)

-The emphasis on the solidarity of the extended family unit

-The emphasis on being hospitable to strangers, helping those in need, whether Amish or “English” (anyone who’s not Amish is “English,” no matter what language or culture he/she represents)

-Building your own houses, growing your own food, sewing your own clothes

These experiences taught me self-reliance, self-preservation, and gave me the ability to relate to non-American familial cultures much better than I might otherwise.

The biggest negatives?

-The rape, incest and other sexual abuse that run rampant in the community

-Rudimentary education

-Physical and verbal abuse in the name of discipline

-Women (and children) have no rights

-Religion–and all its associated fear and brainwashing–as a means of control (and an extremely effective means at that)
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 5 Dec, 2018 08:35 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
“the people who commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam do not speak for the majority of the Muslims in this country.”

Who cares, the ones that do jihad in any form is what we intend to do something about. And every Muslim has a choice, but that choice is not given in Islam and do not let them tell you it is. Jihad is obligatory. Some, a lot of Muslims, take that seriously.

Now what you just posted is lip service. It does nothing to stop the hate for anything un-Islamic being taught. And I do not see it stopping any terror.
 

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