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oralloy
 
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Sat 17 Nov, 2018 06:22 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Your antisemitism is repugnant alright. It killed actual people at the Tree of Life synagogue.
No antisemitism on my end. I'm not the one who runs around falsely accusing Jews of imaginary crimes.
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nimh
 
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Sat 17 Nov, 2018 07:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
That deceptive chart only includes plastic waste.

Well, he was specifically answering the question "What other system has allowed the oceans to become polluted with micro-plastics?"

Flip side is that China is in many ways just another capitalist dictatorship now -- just one with a niche interest in communist kitsch.

MontereyJack wrote:
It doesn't deaL with oil lesk pollution or agricultural chemical pollution

Not the best examples perhaps when the line of conversation was heading into "were capitalist or communist/etc countries worse" territory. The Soviet Union's gas and oil industries created as many wastelands as their capitalist counterparts. And the Aral Lake became one of the world's worst case studies in the disastrous environmental impact of industrial agriculture (and attendant chemical pollution), as it shriveled up into a chemical wasteland.

Capitalism has demonstrated an enormous capacity to create an exponentially increasing amount of waste and pollution, as its ability to create wealth (at least for some) relies on ever increasing production and consumption. But the track record of communism wasn't really any better.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 08:05 pm
@oralloy,
I remembered his ID and PM'd him my thoughts. Hopefully that will work.
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hightor
 
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Sat 17 Nov, 2018 08:42 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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You didn't answer the question.

It's been answered a million times; it's not a "question" — it's a rhetorical stance.
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...what other system [other than capitalism] has raised more people out of poverty?

The world economy has been functioning as a capitalist system for several hundred years; it's the same system that's plunged millions of people into poverty. The "Age of Capitalism" is also just a *blip* in history and may have simply coincided with a short period of relative stability, a few centuries at most, where uninterrupted growth could occur at a geometric rate — preceding a worldwide scarcity crisis in water supplies and serious shortages of non-renewable resources. There's not much else to compare capitalism with, economically speaking, as it evolved organically in step with technology. "Socialism" tinkers around and tries to dull some of capitalism's sharp edges. The "command economies" of the Soviet Union, Maoist China, and NK, always at war, never functioned as normal states and none of the contemporary despot regimes seem to function as alternatives to capitalism.


Setanta
 
  2  
Sun 18 Nov, 2018 12:27 am
Capitalism operates on an empty world model which is the height of unreality. The wealth it has allegedly created was merely a shifting of wealth from one sector to another. This transfer was often made from colonial entities which were plundered of their resources, and without the least regard for the people who lived in those territories. Native populations were decimated at least, and often suffered far more than that. The value-added concept is worth consideration, but once again, nothing was really created without environmental pollution on a vast scale and terrible suffering on the part of the denizens of colonized regions. The basic principles of capitalism come from the bottom line concept--maximize profits and minimizing costs, and those costs are kept down or reduced at the expense of labor and the health of the environment. Nobody in a board room in London, or New York or Paris ever gave a rat's ass about how many natives of colonized regions suffered or how the environment was devastated or the ancillary effects of plundering those resources. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has not just increased, but the natural mechanism of forests to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere has been crippled by clear cutting to build homes and furniture in Europe, North America and Japan, and now in China.

Only the doctrinaire and the deluded would claim that capitalism has been a net gain for the planet and for the human race.
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Real Music
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 12:34 am
Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist

Published February 29, 2016
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Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump may have failed to disavow the Ku Klux Klan in late February, but he’ll have you know he is not racist. In fact, he claims to be “the least racist person that you have ever met,” and last summer he pulled out the old standby about not having a racist bone in his body.

But he hasn’t given us a lot of reason to believe that. In fact, despite Trump’s protests to the contrary, he has a long history of saying and doing racist things. It’s not really surprising that he’s won the support and praise of the country’s white supremacists.

Here’s a running list of some of the most glaringly racist things associated with Trump. We’re sure we’ll be adding to it soon.

He attacked Muslim Gold Star parents

Trump’s retaliation against the parents of a Muslim U.S. Army officer who died while serving in the Iraq War was a clear low point in a campaign full of hateful rhetoric.

Khizr Khan, the father of the late Army Captain Humayun Khan, spoke out against Trump’s bigoted rhetoric and disregard for civil liberties at the Democratic National Convention on July 28. It quickly became the most memorable moment of the convention.

“Let me ask you, have you even read the U.S. Constitution?” Khan asked Trump before pulling a copy of the document from his jacket pocket and holding it up. “I will gladly lend you my copy,” he declared.

Khan’s wife Ghazala Khan, who wears a Muslim head scarf, stood at his side during the speech but did not speak.

In response to the devastating speech, Trump seized on Ghazala Khan’s silence to insinuate that she was forbidden from speaking due to the couple’s Islamic faith.

“If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me,” Trump said in an interview with ABC News that first appeared on July 30.

Ghazala Khan explained in an op-ed in the Washington Post the following day that she could not speak because of grief over her son.

“Walking onto the convention stage, with a huge picture of my son behind me, I could hardly control myself. What mother could?” she wrote. “Donald Trump has children whom he loves. Does he really need to wonder why I did not speak?”

He claimed a judge was biased because “he’s a Mexican”

In May, Trump implied that Gonzalo Curiel, the federal judge presiding over a class action against the for-profit Trump University, could not fairly hear the case because of his Mexican heritage.

“He’s a Mexican,” Trump told CNN of Curiel. “We’re building a wall between here and Mexico. The answer is, he is giving us very unfair rulings — rulings that people can’t even believe.”

Curiel, it should be noted, is an American citizen who was born in Indiana. And as a prosecutor in the late 1990s, he went after Mexican drug cartels, making him a target for assassination by a Tijuana drug lord.

Even members of Trump’s own party slammed the racist remarks.

“Claiming a person can’t do their job because of their race is sort of like the textbook definition of a racist comment,” House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said in a reaction to Trump’s comments, though he clarified that he still endorses the nominee.

The comments against Curiel didn’t sit well with the American public either. According to a YouGov poll released in June, 51 percent of those surveyed agreed that Trump’s comments were not only wrong, but also racist.Fifty-seven percent of Americans think Trump was wrong to complain against the judge, while just 20 percent think he was right to do so.

When asked whether he would trust a Muslim judge, in light of his proposed restrictions on Muslim immigration, Trump suggested that such a judge might not be fair to him either.

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available. Trump called those accusations “absolutely ridiculous” and sued the Justice Department for $100 million in damages for defamation.

Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities. Trump also agreed to send weekly vacancy lists for his 15,000 apartments to the New York Urban League, a civil rights group, and to allow the NYUL to present qualified applicants for vacancies in certain Trump properties.

Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

The first-person account of at least one black Trump casino employee in Atlantic City suggests the racist practices were consistent with Trump’s personal behavior toward black workers.

“When Donald and Ivana came to the casino, the bosses would order all the black people off the floor,” Kip Brown, a former employee at Trump’s Castle, told the New Yorker for a September article. “It was the eighties, I was a teen-ager, but I remember it: they put us all in the back.”

Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

“And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it,” O’Donnell recalled Trump saying. “The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.”

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump has also faced charges of reneging on commitments to hire black people. In 1996, 20 African Americans in Indiana sued Trump for failing to honor a promise to hire mostly minority workers for a riverboat casino on Lake Michigan.

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him

Three times in a row on Feb. 28, Trump sidestepped opportunities to renounce white nationalist and former KKK leader David Duke, who told his radio audience last week that voting for any candidate other than Trump is “really treason to your heritage.”

When asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if he would condemn Duke and say he didn’t want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didn’t know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched.

By Feb. 29, Trump was saying that in fact he does disavow Duke, and that the only reason he didn’t do so on CNN was because of a “lousy earpiece.” Video of the exchange, however, shows Trump responding quickly to Tapper’s questions with no apparent difficulty in hearing.

It’s preposterous to think that Trump doesn’t know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him. Reports of neo-Nazi groups rallying around Trump go back as far as August.

His white supremacist fan club includes the Daily Stormer, a leading neo-Nazi news site; Richard Spencer, director of the National Policy Institute, which aims to promote the “heritage, identity, and future of European people”; Jared Taylor, editor of American Renaissance, a Virginia-based white nationalist magazine; Michael Hill, head of the League of the South, an Alabama-based white supremacist secessionist group; and Brad Griffin, a member of Hill’s League of the South and author of the popular white supremacist blog Hunter Wallace.

A leader of the Virginia KKK who is backing Trump told a local TV reporter earlier this month, “The reason a lot of Klan members like Donald Trump is because a lot of what he believes, we believe in.”

And most recently, the Trump campaign announced that one of its California primary delegates was William Johnson, chair of the white nationalist American Freedom Party. The Trump campaign subsequently said his inclusion was a mistake, and Johnson withdrew his name at their request.

He questioned whether President Obama was born in the United States

Long before calling Mexican immigrants “criminals” and “rapists,” Trump was a leading proponent of “birtherism,” the racist conspiracy theory that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States and is thus an illegitimate president. Trump claimed in 2011 to have sent people to Hawaii to investigate whether Obama was really born there. He insisted at the time that the researchers “cannot believe what they are finding.”

Obama ultimately got the better of Trump, releasing his long-form birth certificate and relentlessly mocking the real estate mogul about it at the White House Correspondents’ Association dinner that year.

But Trump continues to insinuate that the president was not born in the country.

“I don’t know where he was born,” Trump said in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in February 2015. (Again, for the record: He was born in Hawaii.)

He treats racial groups as monoliths

Like many racial instigators, Trump often answers accusations of bigotry by loudly protesting that he actually loves the group in question. But that’s just as uncomfortable to hear, because he’s still treating all the members of the group ― all the individual human beings ― as essentially the same and interchangeable. Language is telling, here: Virtually every time Trump mentions a minority group, he uses the definite article the, as in “the Hispanics,” “the Muslims” and “the blacks.”

In that sense, Trump’s defensive explanations are of a piece with his slander of minorities. Both rely on essentializing racial and ethnic groups, blurring them into simple, monolithic entities, instead of acknowledging that there’s as much variety among Muslims and Latinos and black people as there is among white people.

How did Trump respond to the outrage last year that followed his characterization of Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists?

“I’ll take jobs back from China, I’ll take jobs back from Japan,” Trump said during his visit to the U.S.-Mexican border in July. “The Hispanics are going to get those jobs, and they’re going to love Trump.”

How did Trump respond to critics of his proposal to ban Muslims from entering the U.S.?

“I’m doing good for the Muslims,” Trump told CNN in December. “Many Muslim friends of mine are in agreement with me. They say, ‘Donald, you brought something up to the fore that is so brilliant and so fantastic.’”

Not long before he called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the country, Trump was proclaiming his affection for “the Muslims,” disagreeing with rival candidate Ben Carson’s claim in September that being a Muslim should disqualify someone from running for president.

“I love the Muslims. I think they’re great people,” Trump said, insisting that he would be willing to name a Muslim to his presidential cabinet.

How did Trump respond to the people who called him out for funding an investigation into whether Obama was born in the United States?

“I have a great relationship with the blacks,” Trump said in April 2011. “I’ve always had a great relationship with the blacks.”

Even when Trump has dropped the definite article “the,” his attempts at praising minority groups he has previously slandered have been offensive.

Look no further than the infamous Cinco de Mayo taco bowl tweet:

Former Republican presidential candidate and Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) had a good breakdown of everything that was wrong with Trump’s comment.

“It’s like eating a watermelon and saying ‘I love African-Americans,’” Bush quipped.

He trashed Native Americans, too

In 1993, when Trump wanted to open a casino in Bridgeport, Connecticut, that would compete with one owned by the Mashantucket Pequot Nation, a local Native American tribe, he told the House subcommittee on Native American Affairs that “they don’t look like Indians to me... They don’t look like Indians to Indians.”

Trump then elaborated on those remarks, which were unearthed last year in the Hartford Courant, by saying the mafia had infiltrated Indian casinos.

He encouraged the mob justice that resulted in the wrongful imprisonment of the Central Park Five

In 1989, Trump took out full-page ads in four New York City-area newspapers calling for the return of the death penalty in New York and the expansion of police authority in response to the infamous case of a woman who was beaten and raped while jogging in Manhattan’s Central Park.

“They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes,” Trump wrote, referring to the Central Park attackers and other violent criminals. “I want to hate these murderers and I always will.”

The public outrage over the Central Park jogger rape, at a time when the city was struggling with high crime, led to the wrongful conviction of five teenagers of color known as the Central Park Five.

The men’s convictions were overturned in 2002, after they’d already spent years in prison, when DNA evidence showed they did not commit the crime. Today, their case is considered a cautionary tale about a politicized criminal justice process.

Trump, however, still thinks the men are guilty.

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

At a November campaign rally in Alabama, Trump supporters physically attacked an African-American protester after the man began chanting “Black lives matter.” Video of the incident shows the assailants kicking the man after he has already fallen to the ground.

The following day, Trump implied that the attackers were justified.

“Maybe [the protester] should have been roughed up,” he mused. “It was absolutely disgusting what he was doing.”

Trump’s dismissive attitude toward the protester is part of a larger, troubling pattern of instigating violence toward protesters at campaign events that has singled out people of color.

One reason Trump may have exhibited special disdain for that particular demonstrator in November, however, is because he believes the entire Black Lives Matter movement lacks legitimate policy grievances. He alluded to these views in an interview with the New York Times magazine this week when he described Ferguson, Missouri, as one of the most dangerous places in America. The small St. Louis suburb is not even in the top 20 highest-crime municipalities in the country.

He called supporters who beat up a homeless Latino man “passionate”

Trump’s racial incitement has already inspired hate crimes. Two brothers arrested in Boston last summer for beating up a homeless Latino man cited Trump’s anti-immigrant message when explaining why they did it.

“Donald Trump was right ― all these illegals need to be deported,” one of the men reportedly told police officers.

Trump did not even bother to distance himself from them. Instead, he suggested that the men were well-intentioned and had simply gotten carried away.

“I will say that people who are following me are very passionate,” Trump said. “They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

He stereotyped Jews and shared an anti-Semitic meme created by white supremacists

When Trump addressed the Republican Jewish Coalition in December, he tried to relate to the crowd by invoking the stereotype of Jews as talented and cunning businesspeople.

“I’m a negotiator, like you folks,” Trump told the crowd, touting his book The Art of the Deal.

“Is there anyone who doesn’t renegotiate deals in this room?” Trump said. “Perhaps more than any room I’ve spoken to.”

But that wasn’t even the most offensive thing Trump told his Jewish audience. He implied that he had little chance of earning the Jewish Republican group’s support, because his fealty could not be bought with campaign donations.

“You’re not going to support me, because I don’t want your money,” he said. “You want to control your own politician.”

Ironically, Trump has many close Jewish family members. His daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism in 2009 before marrying the real estate mogul Jared Kushner. Trump and Kushner raise their two children in an observant Jewish home.

Then in July, Trump tweeted an anti-Semitic Hillary Clinton meme that featured a photo of her over a backdrop of $100 bills with a six-pointed Jewish Star of David next to her face.

“Crooked Hillary - - Makes History!” he wrote in the tweet, which also read “Most Corrupt Candidate Ever” over the star.

The holy symbol was co-opted by the Nazis during World War II when they forced Jews to sew it onto their clothing. Using the symbol over a pile of money is blatantly anti-Semitic and re-enforces hateful stereotypes of Jewish greed.

But Trump insisted the image was harmless.

“The sheriff’s badge ― which is available under Microsoft’s ‘shapes’ ― fit with the theme of corrupt Hillary and that is why I selected it,” he said in a statement.

Mic, however, discovered that the the meme was actually created by white supremacists and could be found on a neo-Nazi forum more than a week before Trump shared it. Additionally, a watermark on the image leads to a Twitter account that regularly tweets racist, sexist political memes.

He treats African-American supporters as tokens to dispel the idea he is racist

At a campaign appearance in California in June, Trump boasted that he had a black supporter in the crowd, saying “look at my African American over here.”

“Look at him,” Trump continued. “Are you the greatest?”

Trump went on to imply that the media conceals his appeal among African Americans by not covering the crowd more attentively.

“We have tremendous African-American support,” he said. “The reason is I’m going to bring jobs back to our country.”

In fact, Trump has the lowest level of African-American support of any Republican presidential nominee since 1948, according to FiveThirtyEight. As of the most recent polling, just 2 percent of black voters plan to vote for him ― fewer than the percentage who plan to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson.

It may not be surprising that Trump has brought so much racial animus into the 2016 election cycle, given his family history. His father, Fred Trump, was the target of folk singer Woody Guthrie’s lyrics after Guthrie lived for two years in a building owned by Trump pere: “I suppose / Old Man Trump knows / Just how much / Racial hate / He stirred up / In the bloodpot of human hearts.”

And last fall, a news report from 1927 surfaced on the site Boing Boing, revealing that Fred Trump was arrested that year following a KKK riot in Queens. It’s not clear exactly what the elder Trump was doing there or what role he may have played in the riot. Donald Trump, for his part, has categorically denied (except when he’s ambiguously denied) that anything of the sort ever happened.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
Olivier5
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 03:09 am
@nimh,
What Nimh said.
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najmelliw
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 03:37 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

People like Finn just want to hate. They can conceive of those of us who just want to get on. They attribute the very worst aspects of Islam to all Muslims, and those who oppose bigotry similarly condone those aspects.

It's how bigots think, they hate, so they just can't comprehend those who are motivated by human rights.

The same bigots support America's relationship with the most fundamentalist intolerant Islamic nation on Earth, Saudi Arabia. The last thing they want is more liberal Muslim politicians being heard because it doesn't fit their prejudices.


Not sure if Finn is like that, but coldjoint certainly seems to operate in that manner. Frankly, I don't see what the use is... what's the purpose of all the hatemongering? Do they want an all out declaration of war on the muslim faith? Mob rule, where people kill/lynch everybody they suspect to be a muslim?

I can't think of any war based on the extermination of a religion that was successful in the long run, well, that is, a religion that had time to spread itself around the world. But I suppose we now have the means to wage truly brutal wars: a nuclear strike on Mekka for instance, in the name of peace of course...
izzythepush
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 04:29 am
@najmelliw,
I have long suspected that they're one and the same. Finn has a thin veneer of respectability, but Coldjoint allows the unburnished Nazi to come flooding out.

I've had arguments with Finn since I first arrived on A2K. None of which is worth going into but I long came to the conclusion that he has no regard for human life or the environment, and the only thing he cares about is money.

It's not much of a stretch to turn that callous nature into full on bigotry. And he has a track record of using sockpuppets, he had one called something like Dr Gonzo for a while. But hey, that's just my impression.
hightor
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 07:18 am
@coldjoint,
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What other system has allowed the oceans to become polluted with micro-plastics?

cj responds with a list of a dozen capitalist countries.

Capitalism is in charge, folks. You should see the macro-plastic pollution washed up on the shores of uninhabited islands around here — ropes, oil cans, flip flops, plastic bags, gloves. Put a few cc's under a microscope and you'll see more, just on a smaller scale — it's turtles, all the way down.
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hightor
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 07:43 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Me neither but I also don't see many (if any) liberals condemning them the way they happily condemn those of Christians.

Did you ever consider the fact that we live in a country where the majority of religious people are Christian? If we run up against a problem with religious belief at its base — like trying to obtain birth control under an employer-based health plan — it's not caused by Muslims. Muslims aren't the ones whining about a non-existent "war on Christmas". Our coinage doesn't read "In Allah We Trust".
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If you are against religious persecution for one religion you should be against it for all religions.

I'm for the rational analysis and deconstruction of all religions. If rightists want to criticize one religion they should be open to criticizing them all.
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There's no denying that the left has a very bizarre and special place in its heart for Islam, despite the prevalence of its illiberal practices.

Yes, there is denial of that conjecture. Maybe the Palestinians got a bad break — one can sympathize with their economic plight and still consider their faith a particularly hollow and alien belief system. Oh, and Louis Farrakhan is an idiot.
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No acts of political or religious violence should be tolerated and I condemn them all, but somehow you think it is more significant to blow up an abortion clinic than the World Trade Tower.

I didn't say that it is more significant. I said that there is a difference between people who worship and believe a certain way and people who who worship and believe a certain way and are moved to violence.
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Do you really need to defend every flaw your tribe displays?

You made a specious charge — "the left has a very bizarre and special place in its heart for Islam" — which I felt needed refutation. The political left has many flaws, to be sure. But crypto-Islamism isn't one of them.
edgarblythe
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 08:25 am
Christianity is taken for granted by most in a Christian country. Muslims are a minority and are subject to the prejudices and charitable acts of the majority. Their status, more so than their character, gains them the extra attention.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 10:31 am
@najmelliw,

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I can't think of any war based on the extermination of a religion that was successful in the long run

Islam's war is not over, and will not be until it is the only religion. It makes that objective clear and obligates it adherents to work toward that end by any means possible. We know that includes deception, intimidation and terror.

We also know that apologists will do whatever it takes to deny the truth. Some attack the messengers, many just plain lie about conditions where Islam exists.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 10:57 am
@izzythepush,
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It's not much of a stretch to turn that callous nature into full on bigotry.

It is not much of a stretch to see apologies as an excuse for a deep rooted cowardice and dishonesty, either.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 11:39 am
@coldjoint,
Not to forget the Christian anti-balaka militias - despite electing a new leader in 2016, the country has continued to face political instability and tit-for-tat inter-communal violence.

And trying to correct the above post and his source: the attack was on a Catholic mission sheltering 20,000 refugees.
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“With sorrow I learned of the massacre that took place two days ago in a camp for displaced people in the Central African Republic, in which two priests were also killed” the Pope said to the crowds gathered in St. Peter’s Square for the Angelus Prayer.
Vatican News
(It was Vatican news services reporting at first about a fresh outbreak of inter-religious violence in the Central African Republic, confirmed by UN officials.)
coldjoint
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 11:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Not to forget the Christian anti-balaka militias

Have you forgotten they are not responsible for this attack, or the 42 dead? You just love to minimize the hate and terror Islam advocates and employs. Good luck with that, they can kill faster than you can apologize.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 18 Nov, 2018 12:22 pm
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the attack was on a Catholic mission sheltering 20,000 refugees.

Not what is says here.

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Alindao, Central African Republic, Nov 16, 2018 / 04:05 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- At least 42 people have died in an attack Thursday on the Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in Alindao, in the Central African Republic, according to local reports.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/at-least-42-dead-in-cathedral-attack-in-central-african-republic-37393
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