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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 10:12 am
@InfraBlue,
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She didn't say that either, and your specious assertions are a red herring.

I see, Islamic hate for Jews is a red herring. Would you like to prove it is? Can you show me proof from Islamic literature that is true. I can show you the hate for Jews in the Koran and Hadith. All I ask is one verse, that is not abrogated, that says Jews are human or in anyway equal to Muslims.

Should I wait?
hightor
 
  4  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 10:31 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
I can tell you what Goldberg believes.

I'm listening...
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 10:51 am
@hightor,
Simple: The left
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 10:55 am
@coldjoint,
Jeez. You asserted that Sarsour said that Jews shouldn't be humanized. She didn't say that. You're using your misquote to justify your islamophobia. That dog won't hunt.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:11 am
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
justify your islamophobia.

Awareness is not a phobia. Are you saying there is no hate in Islam for the Jews, and that Sarsour is not a devout Muslim? Are you ready to prove what you say or end the conversation by calling me a name? We all know the answer to that.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:18 am
Quote:
The Anti-Semitism Lurking Behind George Soros Conspiracy Theories


Hungarian Jewish billionaire, philanthropist and Holocaust survivor George Soros is widely recognized for funding progressive political and social causes, usually through grants made by his Open Society Foundations. As a result, Soros has become a lightning rod for conservative and right-wing groups who object to his funding of liberal causes.

In far-right circles worldwide, Soros’ philanthropy often is recast as fodder for outsized conspiracy theories, including claims that he masterminds specific global plots or manipulates particular events to further his goals. Many of those conspiracy theories employ longstanding anti-Semitic myths, particularly the notion that rich and powerful Jews work behind the scenes, plotting to control countries and manipulate global events.

The right-wing government of Viktor Orbán in Hungary have attacked Soros for years, claiming that he seeks to undermine Hungary’s national ethos. The vehemence of the anti-Soros campaigns is chilling. For example, a slew of posters that appeared in Budapest last summer reminded many observers of Nazi-era propaganda used to stir up hatred and violence against Jews.

However, such anti-Soros activity is not unique to Hungary. Soros long has been a punching bag of authoritarian regimes across Eastern Europe where resentment lingers for his work to build democratic institutions and governments after the fall of the Iron Curtain. And voices in some liberal democracies like Israel cast Soros as a central figure trying to undermine the national interest.

In the United States, Soros long has been a favored target of the so-called alt right and other right-wing extremists. Their online echo chambers reverberate with conspiracies about Soros, accusing him of attempting to perpetrate “white genocide” and push his own malevolent agenda. In a report published earlier this year that analyzed anti-Semitic speech on Twitter, ADL found that Soros figured prominently in a significant number of anti-Semitic tweets. One noteworthy allegation claimed that Soros was responsible for the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in August 2017 in Charlottesville, Va. Other tweets referred to his Jewish heritage in pejorative terms and claimed that he’s trying to undermine all of Western civilization.

More recently, we have seen conspiracy theories surface that blame Soros of funding protests against the appointment of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. A series of hateful posters on this topic were plastered on colleges campuses, all part of a campaign engineered by the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website. And just this week anti-Muslim advocate Frank Gaffney sent an e-mail blast to his supporters asking, “Is George Soros the anti-Christ?” and suggesting that his record “is one of such malevolence and destruction that he must at a minimum be considered the anti-Christ’s right-hand man.”

But it's been equally troubling to see claims of Soros-driven conspiracies move into the mainstream. Even if unintentional, politicians and pundits repeating these unsubstantiated conspiracies essentially validate the same hateful myths propagated by anti-Semites.

A person who promotes a Soros conspiracy theory may not intend to promulgate anti-Semitism. But Soros’ Jewish identity is so well-known that in many cases it is hard not to infer that meaning. This is especially true when Soros-related conspiracy theories include other well-worn anti-Semitic tropes such as control of the media or banks; references to undermining societies or destabilizing countries; or language that hearkens back to the medieval blood libels and the characterization of Jews as evil, demonic, or agents of the antichrist.

Even if no anti-Semitic insinuation is intended, casting a Jewish individual as a puppet master who manipulates national events for malign purposes has the effect of mainstreaming anti-Semitic tropes and giving support, however unwitting, to bona fide anti-Semites and extremists who disseminate these ideas knowingly and with malice.


https://www.adl.org/blog/the-anti-semitism-lurking-behind-george-soros-conspiracy-theories
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:29 am
@izzythepush,
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A person who promotes a Soros conspiracy theory may not intend to promulgate anti-Semitism.

Hey! look over there, and ignore the truth. A long winded blame transferring piece of bullshit, replete with the smearing of a few people. Israel poses the same problem as the USA. Freedom sovereignty and all the other things globalists( Jews or not) hate. Like preserving Western civilization.
hightor
 
  3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Does he explain why the cultural elites of the time, the powerful champions of hallowed tradition, allowed themselves and their world to be subverted by a rag tag bunch of rebels? To me it looks as if our society simply wasn't up to the task of preserving its traditions — it wasn't the fault of the left that representatives of the status quo, the rulers of the world, were unable to provide people with satisfactory solutions to the many problems festering under the disneyfied veneer of "Western Civilization".

And they still can't — descendants of people kidnapped and sold as slaves still suffer discrimination, women are commonly mistreated, children grow up in poverty, people lack access to affordable health care, and the very biological systems which underpin planetary life as we know it are still under threat despite the alarms raised decades ago. Who's in charge?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:39 am
@coldjoint,
Isn't it funny how the people who constantly bleat about Islamaphobia never seem to care about fear of and hatred for Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism and religion in general?

The one and only religion they choose to defend is, currently, the most illiberal in its practice.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:40 am
@hightor,
I'm not going to speak for him. Read any of his books.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:40 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
For much of the twentieth century, Europe was haunted by a threat of its own imagining: Judeo-Bolshevism. This myth—that Communism was a Jewish plot to destroy the nations of Europe—was a paranoid fantasy, and yet fears of a Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy took hold during the Russian Revolution and spread across Europe. During World War II, these fears sparked genocide.

Paul Hanebrink’s history begins with the counterrevolutionary movements that roiled Europe at the end of World War I. Fascists, Nazis, conservative Christians, and other Europeans, terrified by Communism, imagined Jewish Bolsheviks as enemies who crossed borders to subvert order from within and bring destructive ideas from abroad. In the years that followed, Judeo-Bolshevism was an accessible and potent political weapon.

After the Holocaust, the specter of Judeo-Bolshevism did not die. Instead, it adapted to, and became a part of, the Cold War world. Transformed yet again, it persists today on both sides of the Atlantic in the toxic politics of revitalized right-wing nationalism. Drawing a worrisome parallel across one hundred years, Hanebrink argues that Europeans and Americans continue to imagine a transnational ethno-religious threat to national ways of life, this time from Muslims rather than Jews.

HUP
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:41 am
@coldjoint,
I am saying that Sarsour didn't say what you're asserting. The proof is a direct quote that I posted earlier. You're attempting to divert that point by shifting to your hatred of Islam and Muslims. That ain't gonna fly.
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revelette1
 
  5  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 11:56 am
@hightor,
It's like they (a certain segment who seem to fit the profile of the times) can't thrive without hate, division and chaos, so whatever is the most justifiable at that time, it seems they adjust their hate to fit it. I would argue the previous hates are still there just not as publicly vocal as isn't as acceptable to society. After 9/11 it became downright acceptable, in fact one felt almost obligated to denigrate Muslims as a whole or risk being called "unpatriotic".
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 12:06 pm
@revelette1,
RealMusic has a thread on the "Religious Right" that can't be seen as anything other than a hateful screed.

You OK with that?
hightor
 
  4  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 12:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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The one and only religion they choose to defend is, currently, the most illiberal in its practice.

I don't see anyone here defending the worst practices of Islam (although occasional endorsement of the worst practices of Christianity can be found). What people find objectionable is the blanket condemnation and indictment of every individual who identifies as a "Muslim". All religions, as irrational belief systems, are potentially toxic when that particular interpretation serves the needs of some subset of practitioners. I for one would draw a distinction between the evangelicals who attend mega-churches and vote Republican and the evangelicals who attend mega-churches, vote Republican, and blow up abortion clinics.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 12:43 pm
@hightor,
People like Finn just want to hate. They can conceive of those of us who just want to get on. They attribute the very worst aspects of Islam to all Muslims, and those who oppose bigotry similarly condone those aspects.

It's how bigots think, they hate, so they just can't comprehend those who are motivated by human rights.

The same bigots support America's relationship with the most fundamentalist intolerant Islamic nation on Earth, Saudi Arabia. The last thing they want is more liberal Muslim politicians being heard because it doesn't fit their prejudices.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 01:00 pm
@izzythepush,
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They attribute the very worst aspects of Islam to all Muslims,

The very core beliefs are the worst aspects of Islam. Supremacy, violence, and intolerance. I tell you what the religion says, not about individual Muslims. So stop lying.

I have never seen Finn say anything hateful unless he was being sarcastic. And those are hard to recall.


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Setanta
 
  3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 01:02 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
The early usage by the left is rather specific and seems only marginally related to the "PC" which became prevalent in the '80s. I think it was picked up by T-groups and the encounter movement and made its way into sensitivity training where it became associated with eliminating offensive language and avoiding social embarrassment.


I agree, but I would expand that to include conservative PC--thou shalt not criticize capitalism; thou shalt not criticize the military (although hanging them out to dry once they're discharged is acceptable); thou shalt not mention global warming/climate change, nor even credit that it might be happening . . . their lists are as long and as rigid as the lists of the people on the left.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 01:08 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
I agree, but I would expand that to include conservative PC--thou shalt not criticize capitalism; thou shalt not criticize the military (although hanging them out to dry once they're discharged is acceptable); thou shalt not mention global warming/climate change, nor even credit that it might be happening . . . their lists are as long and as rigid as the lists of the people on the left.


Why would anyone criticize either? Capitalism works, and the military is necessary to world peace.
Real Music
 
  5  
Sat 17 Nov, 2018 01:14 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
RealMusic has a thread on the "Religious Right" that can't be seen as anything other than a hateful screed.

You OK with that?


Rather than allow you to misconstrue what is in the thread you are referring to, I will post the link to that thread for other people to view for themselves.

https://able2know.org/topic/484499-1
 

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