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najmelliw
 
  4  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 06:33 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:
Yes, because we accept and care for all the crazies here.
I see no reason to accuse him of craziness. His views and opinions are just as valid as anyone else's. And he has just as much right to post his views and opinions in this thread as anyone else does.


Coming from the same man who wishes the democratic party to be banned...
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 07:49 pm
Thanks Canada.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 07:51 pm
@najmelliw,
But under your saddle, what?
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Real Music
 
  5  
Thu 15 Nov, 2018 08:11 pm

Judge will decide Friday whether to force White House to restore press credential to CNN's Jim Acosta.


Published Nov. 15, 2018

Quote:
WASHINGTON – A federal judge postponed until Friday a decision on whether the White House violated the First Amendment by taking away a CNN reporter’s press pass after his contentious exchange with President Donald Trump.

U.S. District Court Judge Timothy Kelly, a Trump appointee, had scheduled an oral ruling for 3 p.m. Thursday. But he delayed the decision until 10 a.m. Friday without explanation.

CNN filed the case after the White House revoked the credential that allowed one of its reporters, Jim Acosta, access to the complex following a Nov. 7 news conference.

The White House argued that the revocation was lawful because Acosta “disrupted the fair and orderly administration of a press conference during an exchange with the president.” The White House said no reporter has a First Amendment right to access to the grounds, and that CNN has 50 other workers with White House credentials.

CNN asked the court to force the White House to restore Acosta’s credentials. The network's lawyers argued that the administration’s decision to kick him out violated the First Amendment and his due process rights, and that the White House had offered no notice or opportunity to fight the decision.

“Our Constitution, well-established law, and the core principles of our democracy establish that the White House cannot be permitted to cast out and punish reporters with whom it disagrees,” CNN's lawyers said in a written argument.

Much of the debate focused on a 1997 case at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, which CNN said prevented revoking credentials “based on arbitrary or less than compelling reasons.”

But the Justice Department argued the case was narrower than CNN described and focused on a Secret Service denial of access.

Also Thursday, the White House Correspondents Association filed an argument in the case warning that the court could set a “dangerous precedent.”


“The WHCA brief highlights the danger posed to all journalists, and to the American public, if the President’s claim is permitted to stand,” said Olivier Knox, the group’s president.

Other media organizations, including Gannett Co., the parent of USA TODAY, said this week that they planned to file briefs with the court supporting CNN.

If Trump is allowed to deny access to any reporter he considers “bad” or “rude” or “fake news,” he would have “unbridled discretion to decide who can report from inside the White House,” according to the WHCA’s argument.

“The president’s view of the law is wrong,” the argument said. “While he may have absolute discretion to exclude a member of the press from his Trump Tower residence, he does not have absolute discretion to exclude a member of the press from the White House,” the seat of the executive branch and an iconic place for civil discourse.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/11/15/judge-rule-friday-cnn-white-house-credential/2014447002/
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 16 Nov, 2018 01:51 am
@oralloy,
Mine was a diagnostic, not an accusation. I agree that all the crazies can post here. All I need to cut through that is the ignore button...
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Olivier5
 
  6  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 02:22 am
@coldjoint,
The “boycott, divestment and sanctions” (BDS) movement is not antisemitic.
Builder
 
  -4  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 03:54 am
Great to see more work on the Spygate saga.

Interesting that it's the Kiwis following it through.

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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 05:32 am
More on political parties — see also:
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-3016#post-67432020

Jonah Goldberg wrote:
It is perhaps the central irony of our politics today: We live in an incredibly polarized and partisan moment, but our political parties have never been weaker.

As odd as it sounds, political parties in democracies have an important anti-democratic function. Traditionally, the parties shaped the choices put to voters. Long before voters decided anything in the primary or general elections, party bosses worked to groom good candidates, weed out bad ones, organize interests, and frame issues.

In the modern era, the story of party decline usually begins in the aftermath of the 1968 presidential election. The move toward primaries and the democratic selection of delegates took power away from the bosses.

After Watergate, there were more reforms, curbing the ability of the parties to raise and spend money freely. This led to the rise of political-action committees, which raise cash independent of the formal party structure. As the Kentucky Republican Sen. Mitch McConnell said during the floor debate over the McCain-Feingold campaign-finance bill in 2001: “We haven’t taken a penny of money out of politics. We’ve only taken the parties out of politics.”

Outside groups — the National Rifle Association, Planned Parenthood, unions, etc. — often do more to effectively organize voters around single issues or personalities than the parties do. The Kochs, Tom Steyer, George Soros, and Sheldon Adelson serve as party bosses, only outside the parties.

Technology is another, less obvious force siphoning power from the parties. For instance, as political historian Michael Barone has noted, the telephone dealt a grievous blow to political conventions, where insiders have outsize power.

“Until the 1960s, the national convention was a communications medium,” Barone writes. “Political leaders in the various states seldom met each other, outside of sessions of Congress, during the four years between presidential elections.”

The telephone eliminated the need for the face-to-face negotiations. Today, political conventions are little more than infomercials for presidential candidates.

The Internet and cable TV have accelerated the eclipsing of parties. Opinion websites and TV and radio hosts now do more to shape issues and select candidates than the parties do. It’s a bit like comic books. Readership of comics has been in steady decline, but movie studios and toy manufacturers still feed off the brands created generations ago.

The weird thing is that the American people didn’t seem to notice. The largest voting bloc in America today call themselves independents, but most of them tend to be as partisan as everybody else, while “pure independents” are less likely to vote at all.

And yet, Americans keep talking about partisan politics as if the parties are in charge, and base voters on the left and the right keep railing against the party establishments like mobs unaware that they’re kicking dead horses.

Among the many problems with the rotting out of the parties is that the rot spreads. The parties are supposed to be where politics happens. McConnell’s point about money in politics is analogous to the larger trend. When you take political power out of the parties, other actors seize it.

When wielded by people who aren’t supposed to be in the politics business, that power corrupts. This is why every Academy Awards ceremony is peppered with asinine political jeremiads, and why late-night-comedy hosts serve as de facto Democratic-party organizers.

It’s why people such as Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, act like social-gospel ward heelers. It’s why the cable-news networks spend so much of their time rallying voters in one direction or another. And it’s why countless pundits and allegedly objective reporters serve as unofficial political consultants.

It’s also why Donald Trump could leverage his celebrity to seize the GOP nomination, and why someone like Oprah Winfrey could be next.

There are other, larger forces at work. The decline of strong independent institutions — religious, civic, and familial — has people searching for other outlets to find a sense of meaning and belonging. Identity politics, populism, and nationalism are filling that void.

That’s happened before, but when it did, the parties were there to filter, constrain, and channel those passions in a healthy direction. The Potemkin parties can’t, or won’t, do that anymore. The result is a nation of partisans decrying partisanship.

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hightor
 
  7  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 06:58 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The “boycott, divestment and sanctions” (BDS) movement is not antisemitic.


This right-wing ploy is pretty transparent. The political right has long been associated with antisemitism and it wasn't until the emergence of Likud along with the rise in international support for the Palestinian cause that the political right began to warm up to the Israeli state. Notice, I say the "Israeli state" and not Judaism itself. This became a great opportunity to use as a wedge against the many Jews active in the political left; either support Zionism or you're an antisemitic tool.

As Likud became more and more powerful in Israel, especially with the influx of Russian Jews, the domestic left in the country became marginalized and increasingly the politically conservative Jewish state was conflated with the religion of Judaism. This was useful because now anyone who objected to political Zionism could be conveniently be labeled an "antisemite" and relegated to some obscure ring of political hell. The thing is, Likudism is not Judaism, no more than Pat Robertson's evangelical political machine represents the religion of Christianity. You can oppose clerical abuse of children and not be anti-Catholic. You can hate Donald Trump and not be anti-Republican.

Right-wingers accusing other people of antisemitism because they oppose the political actions of the Israeli state should be seen for what it is — a desperate attempt to gain sympathy by hijacking and then misapplying a long-loathed term in hopes of sowing distrust and confusion.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 07:30 am
@hightor,
Quote:
 a desperate attempt to gain sympathy by hijacking and then misapplying a long-loathed term in hopes of sowing distrust and confusion.

Yes, it's a pretty obvious disinformation attempt.

Some people are more comfortable being hated than being loved. Many ultra-zionists entertain the myth that everybody hates them. It help them sustain their 'us vs. them' world view.

During my time in NYC, I attended a J-Street event. J-street is the anti-AIPAC: a US Jewish group agitating for peace with the Palestinians. They had pins saying "Pro-Israel -- Pro-peace". I got meself one and pinned it onto my coat. The next day, I was taking lunch in this joint near the office when some other patrons objected to it. The discussion went like this:

Me: Why don't you like this pin? You guys are against Israel?
Them: No no no of course not! We're Jewish!
Me: Alright so... Are you against peace, then???
Them: No no no of course not! How could anyone be against peace?
Me: So what's your problem with the damn pin?
Them: .... errr... nothing.
izzythepush
 
  5  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 08:16 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Right-wingers accusing other people of antisemitism because they oppose the political actions of the Israeli state should be seen for what it is — a desperate attempt to gain sympathy by hijacking and then misapplying a long-loathed term in hopes of sowing distrust and confusion.


It wasn't people who oppose the actions of Israel who shot up the synagogue in Pittsburgh. That was the right wing. In fact the anti Semites on the far right have had quite a cosy relationship with Israel.

Quote:
In mid-1940, Stern became convinced that the Italians were interested in the establishment of a fascist Jewish state in Palestine. He conducted negotiations, he thought, with the Italians via an intermediary Moshe Rotstein, and drew up a document that became known as the "Jerusalem Agreement". In exchange for Italy's recognition of, and aid in obtaining, Jewish sovereignty over Palestine, Stern promised that Zionism would come under the aegis of Italian fascism, with Haifa as its base, and the Old City of Jerusalem under Vatican control, except for the Jewish quarter. In Heller's words, Stern's proposal would "turn the 'Kingdom of Israel' into a satellite of the Axis powers."

Late in 1940, Lehi, having identified a common interest between the intentions of the new German order and Jewish national aspirations, proposed forming an alliance in World War II with Nazi Germany. It offered a rebellion against Britain in return for transferring the Jews of Europe to Palestine, which would result in recreation of a Jewish State. Late in 1940, Lehi representative Naftali Lubenchik went to Beirut to meet German official Werner Otto von Hentig (who also was involved with the Haavara or Transfer Agreement, which had been transferring German Jews and their funds to Palestine since 1933). Lubenchik told von Hentig that Lehi had not yet revealed its full power and that they were capable of organizing a whole range of anti-British operations.[citation needed] The Lehi documents outlined that it's rule would be authoritarian and indicated similiarites between the organization and Nazis.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#Wartime_contacts_with_Italy_and_Germany

After the war South African Nazis interned during the war were welcomed in Israel. (Sorry I can't cut and paste any of this story, but the link should work OK.)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel

The right wing in Israel is not opposed to acts o anti Semitic violence outside of Israel. It keeps the diaspora in check, frightened of criticising the one place of sanctuary if everything goes pear shaped.
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izzythepush
 
  5  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 10:06 am
@hightor,
Btw, Oralloy is very selective in his accusations of anti Semitism. There was a poster called Carlos le Baron who consistently denied the Holocaust. I pointed this out to Oralloy, and even posted links to le Baron's Holocaust denial. Oralloy did absolutely nothing about it because Carlos le Baron is another right wing extremist just like him.

Oralloy is the worst type of hypocrite, the very worst.
Walter Hinteler
 
  7  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 10:22 am

Judge Timothy Kelly, a Trump appointee, ordered the administration to restore Acosta's press pass while the case is pending. Kelly said there should be a due process in place for limiting a journalist's access to the White House.

realDonaldTrump is still silent.

tsarstepan
 
  3  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 10:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 12:04 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
The decline of strong independent institutions — religious, civic, and familial


And which school of thought is most responsible for this?

I can tell you what Goldberg believes.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 12:07 pm
@hightor,
You're sounding more and more like blatham.

Right-WIngers Evil! Left-wingers Virtuous!
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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 12:09 pm
Donald Trump says he has answered Robert Mueller's questions, but hasn't submitted them yet
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Fri 16 Nov, 2018 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
A reasonable decision.

Funny how due process is important to the left...when it suits them.
 

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