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georgeob1
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 08:22 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Why do you call the extreme right emerging in France, Hungary, Italy, Germany and Brazil "progressive"? The AFD in Germany wants to have school children inform on their teachers political leanings, that's a clarion call to the bad old days. I'm aware of the strife in Hungary, Italy and France, but why would you call these totalitarian-leaning political efforts to be 'progressive'? Brazil, that's a whole different situation and a different continent, so no need to define that. Also, the rest of the world uses terms that don't necessarily equate to the American definition so I'm really just interested in why you are using it in that way.


You have misread my post. I did not call the emerging populist governments and political movements of various EU and other nations populist at all. In nearly all of these cases it is their establishment opponents (Both in government and in other cases opposition) which are largely Progressive.

My essential point was that contemporary progressive political movements and governments are becoming increasingly involved in the direction of all aspects of people's lives (i.e. totalitarian), and that is what is inspiring the emergence of new populist movements from Hungary to France, the USA, and Brazil.

Oliver chooses to label these emerging political movements as necessarily Fascist. That however is a rather vague term, having little in the way of consistent, concrete meaning.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 08:27 am
@glitterbag,
Truly odd stuff going on in the US and other countries that are heading in the right-wing authoritative direction.

More government control of individuals - less control of industry/businesses.

You can see so clearly who is controlling government - and it's not the people.

They're not just grabbing pussies - they are trying to control what goes on with those pussies.
ehBeth
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 08:28 am
@revelette1,
with any luck it will be retroactive
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ehBeth
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 09:53 am
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farmerman
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 09:56 am
@coldjoint,
How are you on the US Constitution???
glitterbag
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 09:57 am
@georgeob1,
I didn't misread your post, the word 'populist' never appears. I understand why Trump misuses terms such as 'Nationalists' but its very sad if people who actually know what these terms mean start incorporating the falsehood into their speech. If you tolerate lies in order to win, you win nothing. People who have relaxed their ethics and morales may bee horrified to find out what they have actually ushered in. Progressive is not a synonym for 'populist, or totalitarian' nor is 'nationalist' a synonym for 'patriotism'.

Responsibility for our country demands scrupulous attention to the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, honesty and basic humanity. That also means that words have meaning, we can't redefine them simply to throw shade or to characterize political differences as base or dangerous. We can't have a system where we tolerate lies and deceit to further a narrow agenda. Even if we think our agenda is the one that 'God' wants, we don't live in a purity vacuum that values only us and not the others.
coldjoint
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:00 am
Quote:
Europeans have the right to defend their borders, lifestyle and culture – Czech Prime Minister

Not according to the EU. Another nation rises up to tell the EU that they will not be allowed to destroy their country. Good.
Quote:
Europeans “have the right to defend our borders, our lifestyle, our heritage and our culture,” Czech prime minister Andrej Babiš said, striking back at the “divisive” EU plans to impose mass third world migration on the bloc’s eastern states.

Mr. Babiš’ remarks came whilst visiting a museum in Prague with France’s globalist President Emanuel Macron.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/europeans-have-the-right-to-defend-their-borders-lifestyle-and-culture-czech-prime-minister/
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:03 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
How are you on the US Constitution???

How is Trump is what matters.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:07 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Responsibility for our country demands scrupulous attention to the Bill of Rights, The Constitution, honesty and basic humanity.

That leaves progressives out. Next.
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farmerman
 
  4  
Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:08 am
@coldjoint,
I assume he has people telling him about it before he comes out all stupid sounding...(and then, of course, you agreeing with him doesnt bolster your IQ much either)
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:14 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
(and then, of course, you agreeing with him doesnt bolster your IQ much either)

You are assuming that what you say somehow matters. It doesn't.
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georgeob1
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:15 am
@glitterbag,
It appears you are confused. In the post to which you apparently referred I contracted the populist reactionary governments listed on Oliver's cartoon tree with the various elite (progressive) establishments to which they were opposed.
glitterbag
 
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Tue 30 Oct, 2018 10:24 am
@georgeob1,
Well, I find your writing style quite unnecessarily ornate and larded up. It's not the vocabulary, it's the sentence structure. If that's what you were trying to convey, you should have written it more clearly. Even this latest rendition/version is somewhat muddy.

Too boil it down, I'm stating that in times of great upheaval, it's crucial to speak plainly. Clarity is always welcome and less likely to be misinterpreted.

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