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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Olivier5
 
  5  
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 09:47 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Tragic to see a once proudly pragmatic and realist nation choose escapism through fantasy, wanting so badly to be lied to...
Builder
 
  -1  
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 11:28 pm
@Olivier5,
Glitter does the melodrama kid.

Know your place on the pecking order
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 11:50 pm
@Builder,
Repuke America is now a nation of loonies adoring a crook.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 11:57 pm
@Olivier5,
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Repuke America is now a nation of loonies adoring a crook.

Democrats adore crooks too. They shun due process and rule of law too. And resort to violence.
Olivier5
 
  4  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 01:02 am
@coldjoint,
There are crooks everywhere, including among democrats, but your tribe has now decided to adore the golden crook, to glorify crookery, to demand mendacity, to reject the rule of law as boring and lame.
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hightor
 
  5  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:19 am
@georgeob1,
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They've been at it for over a year and still haven't found (or published) anything.

I don't know why people think that the results of an ongoing investigation are going to be published while the inquiry is still in progress.
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Meanwhile serious corruption and misuse of office has been confirmed among the officials of the Justice Department, the FBI and Mueller's investigating team, along with deceptive submission to the FISA court.

Misuse of office and corruption have been suggested and attempts have been made by Trump supporters to make the known facts conform to this pre-existing narrative but it has not been proven. The "Trump Truthers" are like the "9/11 inside job" crowd — they can bend facts to assert anything.
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On the face of it this appears to be sufficient to poison any evidence they may find.

It may be sufficient to convince Trump's partisans that the government case is hollow — which is the idea — but how about we wait for the report to be released first?
maporsche
 
  6  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:51 am
@hightor,
There could be pictures and email chains 100’s of messages deep going on for months and some people would still say....it’s tainted.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 04:37 am
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The killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi was planned days in advance, the Turkish president has said in an address to MPs from his ruling party.

He said Turkey had strong evidence Khashoggi was killed in a premeditated and "savage" murder at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October.

He also called for the suspects to be tried in Istanbul.

He demanded Saudi Arabia provide answers about where Khashoggi's body was, and who ordered the operation.

The Saudi kingdom has provided conflicting accounts of what happened to the Washington Post contributor. After weeks of maintaining he was still alive, the authorities now say he was killed in a rogue operation.

Tuesday's address by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan coincided with the start of an investment conference in Saudi Arabia that has been overshadowed by the Khashoggi case, with dozens of government and business leaders pulling out.

President Erdogan confirmed that 18 people had been arrested in Saudi Arabia over the case. However, he has not released any details of the evidence gathered about the killing.

He made no mention of any audio or video recordings mentioned in media reports in the days following the journalist's disappearance.

President Erdogan said three teams of 15 Saudi nationals had arrived in Istanbul on separate flights in the days and hours leading up to the murder.

A day before the killing, he said, some members from the group travelled to Belgrad forest, near the consulate - an area which was last week searched by Turkish police looking for the body.

He also described how the team had removed the security cameras and surveillance footage from the consulate building prior to Khashoggi's arrival - who was visiting to obtain documents for his forthcoming marriage.

"My demand is that 18 people be tried in Istanbul," he told MPs from his ruling AK party, adding that "all those who played a role in the murder" would be punished.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45949742
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 04:40 am
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A US Bible museum has removed fragments of what it believed were part of the Dead Sea Scrolls from display, after tests suggested they were forgeries.

The Museum of the Bible, in Washington DC, sent five of its 16 fragments for analysis in Germany.

But results showed "characteristics inconsistent with ancient origin", the museum said.

Costing $500m (£386m), the museum was opened by Evangelical Christian and billionaire Steve Green in 2017.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45948986
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engineer
 
  5  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 09:01 am
Excerpt of the President's remarks today.

Quote:
Q You said “lower tax cuts.” You said that you wanted tax cuts by November 1st. Congress isn’t even in session. How is that possible?

THE PRESIDENT: No, we’re going to be passing — no, no. We’re putting in a resolution sometime in the next week, or week and a half, two weeks.

Q A resolution where?

THE PRESIDENT: We’re going to put in — we’re giving a middle-income tax reduction of about 10 percent. We’re doing it now for middle-income people. This is not for business; this is for middle. That’s on top of the tax decrease that we’ve already given them.

Q Are you signing an executive order for that?

THE PRESIDENT: No. No. No. I’m going through Congress.

Q But Congress isn’t in session though.

THE PRESIDENT: We won’t have time to do the vote. We’ll do the vote later.
izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 09:11 am
A website for a high profile Saudi Arabia summit was attacked by hackers.

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Pictures circulating on Twitter showed the Future Investment Initiative website with a mocked-up photo of the country's ruler about to execute Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The website was later functioning normally after being inaccessible for at least six hours.

The summit has seen a series of high-profile dropouts amid allegations the country was behind Khashoggi's killing.

Khashoggi, a prominent critic of the Saudi government, vanished on 2 October after visiting the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, where Turkish officials allege he was murdered.

Earlier on Monday, Saudi Arabia blamed Khashoggi's death on a "rogue operation"

Dubbed the "Davos of the Desert", the three-day event from 23 to 25 October in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, is organised by Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund and is an opportunity for firms to build relationships and secure lucrative contracts in the Kingdom.


It is being hosted by Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman to promote his reform agenda.

Politicians and business executives from Europe, North America and Asia were on the attendance list, which was set to feature 150 speakers from 140 organisations.

But a raft of big names have pulled out, arguing that Saudi Arabia's explanations for Khashoggi's disappearance are not credible.

US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and UK International Trade Secretary Liam Fox, whose countries have huge defence deals with Saudi Arabia, have already pulled out of the summit.

Company bosses including HSBC chief executive John Flint, JP Morgan boss Jamie Dimon and Standard Chartered chief executive Bill Winters have also said they will not attend.

Car manufacturer Ford, ride-hailing app Uber and media firms including Bloomberg, CNN and the Financial Times have also scrapped plans to attend.

On Monday, Siemens boss Joe Kaeser was the latest high-profile name to withdraw from the conference, saying the official explanation for Khashoggi's murder was "hard to believe".

Organisers have taken down a list of speakers from the conference's website. On Monday, they refused to confirm the number of people attending.

One government source said the list of speakers and moderators was not yet finalised, as many continued to drop out at a "rapid pace".

The World Economic Forum, which organises the official annual high-profile gathering in the Swiss resort of Davos of the rich, powerful and famous every January, has objected to the Saudi Summit's use of its Davos brand.

It said it would use "all means to protect the Davos brand against illicit appropriation".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45945644
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revelette1
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 11:42 am
@engineer,
Don't he realize they can't do it at all if they ain't in session?
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Olivier5
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 11:58 am
@coldjoint,
I don't envy Trump's micropenis for one microsecond.
Baldimo
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:01 pm
@maporsche,
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I believe it applies to immigration.

How do you think it applies to immigration?

I'll add a counter point. You are one of those people who believes we need a "universal income" because jobs are going to disappear to automation, if that is the case, how can you make the case for immigration and jobs while also pushing for "universal income" for those who won't have jobs?

You have also failed to address any of the points I made. Why?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:01 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
I bet that is how France felt when they replaced their republic with an emperor.
The French emperor ruled over "the French people" (Empereur des Français) and not over France (chef de la République française).
That's similar to Trump, being the president of all Americans.
maporsche
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:13 pm
@Baldimo,
I don't know that I pushed for a UBI anywhere, but I'm open to the idea.

I see that as being a 2040 and beyond possible solution though; automation won't hit us that quickly. And automation won't eliminate ALL jobs. Immigration and automation won't be turned on 100% at the same time, so like everything this big, it will take decades.

More people means more housing, means more grocery stores, means more restaurants, means more schools, means more barbershops, means more of everything that societies expect.

Automation makes the immigration "problem" even easier to manage though. Everything you end up automating become cheaper (otherwise, why automate). If food become cheaper or if robots start building our houses, etc then it makes it easier to live on less income. It means the "living wage" goes further. It means that a UBI would go further.

Your other points? Like mandating that they speak English? I didn't think they were debatable topics. You were stating your opinion or preference. I disagree and didn't have anything else to add to try to convince you. I think we should bring in just about anyone who wants to come, skilled, unskilled alike. Screen for criminals, give them green cards or whatever visas they need to live and build a life here. Unskilled workers will find jobs, they will pay into social security, they will buy food, they will live in houses, they will be consumers and tax payers...their kids even more so.

If you want to keep government benefits away from them for a period of time (outside of school for their children) then I don't know that I'd have much of a problem with that. I think it's a drop in the bucket, but if that's what it takes to get them legally here, it's a compromise I'd be willing to make.
Baldimo
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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That's similar to Trump, being the president of all Americans.

I hate to break it to you, but Trump is the President of all Americans, unless you are using the BS of naming everyone from North or South America continents as Americans. Do people from Pakistan or India call themselves Asians? People did not immigrate to Mexico or any other country to become Americans, only the US has this distinction.
coldjoint
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:18 pm
@Olivier5,
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I don't envy Trump's micropenis for one microsecond.

I am talking about America, not Trump. Trump is an American.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:20 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The French emperor ruled over "the French people" (Empereur des Français) and not over France (chef de la République française).
That's similar to Trump, being the president of all Americans.

Gee, thanks.
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