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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:23 pm
@Builder,
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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mysteryman841
 
  -1  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:37 pm
@izzythepush,
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e any gun legislation which will stop school shootings


Tell us what gun laws will stop school shootings?
You seem to think that there is a way to make law that will 100% stop the shooting, so please give us an example of such laws.
mysteryman841
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:39 pm
@maporsche,
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Does any of this matter, what 40 years later?


It has to matter.
After all, the same people saying it doesn't matter are the same people saying that what Justice Kavanaugh MIGHT have done over 30 years ago matters.

So, if it mattered regarding him, it must matter regarding her.
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maporsche
 
  1  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:50 pm
@mysteryman841,
Because checking a box on a form and receiving likely zero benefit for doing so is the EXACT same thing as possible attempted rape and lying under oath (we all know he did, even it was about threeways and analsex)?

Not saying Kavanaugh is guilty but trying to conflate the two things as being near equal seems crazy to me.

If Warren is guilty and if Kavanaugh is guilty the crimes they're guilty of are not even on the same planet.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:50 pm
@coldjoint,
America has a micropenis?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 12:56 pm
@Olivier5,
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America has a micropenis?

At least we have one. Western Europe is run by eunuchs.
RABEL222
 
  2  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 01:11 pm
@maporsche,
But you would have to get into the 900 billion military budget to do all that stuff. It might cost us 10 or 12 aircraft carriers.
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RABEL222
 
  3  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 01:15 pm
@Baldimo,
Badly, you either don't understand that anyone living on the American continent is an American or your dumb as a rock. Which is it?
Baldimo
 
  -2  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 01:30 pm
@maporsche,
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I don't know that I pushed for a UBI anywhere, but I'm open to the idea.

We have talked about it in other threads before.

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I see that as being a 2040 and beyond possible solution though; automation won't hit us that quickly. And automation won't eliminate ALL jobs. Immigration and automation won't be turned on 100% at the same time, so like everything this big, it will take decades.

I don't think automation is going to be as bad for jobs as some think, where one form of job ends, another profession is always created. Where did all the people go who worked the hundreds of horse stables and other horse related jobs prior to the invention of the car?

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More people means more housing, means more grocery stores, means more restaurants, means more schools, means more barbershops, means more of everything that societies expect.

Where are all these people going to work? I'm all for filling out jobs with legal immigrants as long as they can't find any qualified US citizens first. That doesn't bring in hundreds of thousands of unskilled/uneducated people.

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Automation makes the immigration "problem" even easier to manage though. Everything you end up automating become cheaper (otherwise, why automate). If food become cheaper or if robots start building our houses, etc then it makes it easier to live on less income. It means the "living wage" goes further. It means that a UBI would go further.

You really don't believe this do you? This sounds like a list of hopes with no basis in reality. I don't think automation lowers the costs on items, it lowers the cost of labor and keeps the prices down from future mark ups due to labor costs. The only other thing I can think of that lowers costs over time is spread of technology, which is what a vast majority of any modern innovation has come from. Computers, TV's and other such tech items have come down in cost due their common use. Flat screen TV's once cost 20k and the only thing that dropped their costs was improvement of the technology and mass production of the items, which is already heavly automated in the production process. Not many human hands touch a TV or any mass produced item any more. You should watch a few episodes of How It's Made or one of those shows to see what I'm talking about.
The only items I see with a massive human touch are custom items or high end luxury items.

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Your other points? Like mandating that they speak English? I didn't think they were debatable topics. You were stating your opinion or preference. I disagree and didn't have anything else to add to try to convince you. I think we should bring in just about anyone who wants to come, skilled, unskilled alike. Screen for criminals, give them green cards or whatever visas they need to live and build a life here.

English is an important tool for anyone living in the US to have and I have to question how much the US taxpayers are responsible for spending to teach non-English speakers the language?

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Unskilled workers will find jobs, they will pay into social security, they will buy food, they will live in houses, they will be consumers and tax payers...their kids even more so.

How will they find jobs if they don't speak the language and how will they pay for anything until they learn the language and find a job? How many years of "assistance" are we obligated to provide? What you propose sounds good but doesn't sound realistic.

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If you want to keep government benefits away from them for a period of time (outside of school for their children) then I don't know that I'd have much of a problem with that. I think it's a drop in the bucket, but if that's what it takes to get them legally here, it's a compromise I'd be willing to make.

Here's the problem, if they don't have skills and don't speak English and we don't let them have social programs, how do they live?

We live in a different society than we did 100 years ago when we needed immigration to fill our country, our country is full and only requires immigrants who will contribute to society from the start, not 5 or 10 years after they arrive. Skilled workers are the future of US immigration.

Baldimo
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:06 pm
@RABEL222,
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Badly, you either don't understand that anyone living on the American continent is an American or your dumb as a rock. Which is it?

I'm not buying what you are selling. Throughout US history no one moved to Mexico or South America to become an American, they came to one place and one place only, the United States of America. The only people who believe and push this BS are the ones who want to see our identity as Americans striped and diluted.

ehBeth
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:13 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Throughout US history no one moved to Mexico or South America to become an American, they came to one place and one place only, the United States of America.


yeah no

I still know people in Europe who don't differentiate between Canada/Mexico/the US. It's one giant blob to them.

We see tourists in Toronto every year who say they're enjoying their trip to "America" when they're not going to the US.

no. America does NOT mean the United States to everyone. It does seem to be a fairly USian (thanks dlowan Smile ) belief.
maporsche
 
  3  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:22 pm
@Baldimo,
1) automation makes everything cheaper. Keeping the cost increases down = makes the items cheaper

2) the jobs they'll take are the jobs that their living here will require. Open up a new grocery store, hire people looking for jobs to fill it. Bring 200,000 people to an area over 10-15 years and new business will pop up all over in response to customer demand. That is how capitalism works. When people move to an area, they build a city around them.

3) we are at basically full employment; there are jobs available, hundreds of thousands just on monster.com (55,000 just in Chicago, 65k in LA, 45k in Phoenix). That doesn't even count laborer jobs or gig-economy jobs like Uber.

4) American citizens can be hired to teach English. Hey look, more jobs.

5) They'll find jobs the same way people who don't speak English find jobs today. They work for other non-English speaking people or they work for companies who have dual-language employees. Or they'll be babysitters for Spanish speaking families who work or any number of jobs.

6) They live in immigrant communities at first, like all immigrants before them. Why do you think there are pockets of immigrants in all cities and communities. Over time they integrate or their children who attend American schools integrate and then those kids take care of their immigrant parents...just like most immigrants before them.

coldjoint
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:23 pm
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Looks Like Mother Nature’s Going To Intersect Migrant Herd With A Frickin’ HURRICANE


We all know Trump is responsible for hurricanes. I guess we should not mess with him. Shocked

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Even if the storm misses the crowd itself, it will tear through Mexico ahead of them.

https://clashdaily.com/2018/10/looks-like-mother-natures-going-to-intersect-migrant-herd-with-a-frickin-hurricane/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-willa-category-4-mexico-pacific-coast-latest-track-path-weather-forecast-today-2018-10-22-live-updates/
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:25 pm
@ehBeth,
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I still know people in Europe who don't differentiate between Canada/Mexico/the US. It's one giant blob to them.

We know how Europe is going, they are not a source for solutions, they are a warning and have demonstrated what not to do.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 02:27 pm
@ehBeth,
Then you know some truly ignorant people.
InfraBlue
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:26 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
The ignorance goes both ways.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
There are Americans who think that some of our garages sell "special" petrol.
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izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:50 pm
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A suspect package found in a post box at the home of billionaire businessman George Soros contained an explosive device, New York police have confirmed.

The item was discovered on Monday by an employee of Mr Soros, who took it to a nearby wooded area, where it was later destroyed by bomb squad officers.

The incident is being investigated by the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Mr Soros has become a frequent target for criticism by right-wing groups due to his support for liberal causes.

What happened?
Mr Soros was not at his home in the town of Bedford in Westchester County at the time of the incident, according to reports.

"An employee of the residence opened the package, revealing what appeared to be an explosive device," a Bedford Police Department official told the New York Times.

Officials say that police received a call about a suspicious package at about 15:45 local time (20:45 GMT) on Monday.

Arriving at the scene, police discovered a device that was later confirmed by officials to have contained explosive powder and "had the components" of a bomb. It was then "proactively detonated", police said.

The FBI tweeted that it was investigating an incident in the area.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45949737
izzythepush
 
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Tue 23 Oct, 2018 03:54 pm
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Twelve relatives of Nevada's Republican candidate for governor have written an op-ed accusing him of "phoniness" and of being a "fake" Westerner.

The family members wrote on Monday that they "feel compelled to protect our family name from being leveraged and exploited by Adam Laxalt".

The piece attacks Mr Laxalt's political positions and accuses him of spending most of his life away from the state.

Mr Laxalt, who is currently Nevada's attorney general, has yet to respond.

A spokesman for Mr Laxalt told the Washington Post that he "has a large family and some distant relatives are lifelong liberal activists, donors and operatives".

But an aunt, some of his cousins and other relatives who include a university professor, a medical physician, a mental health therapist and a lawyer appeared to anticipate his response to their comments.

"If he responds to this article at all, it will probably be to say that he hardly knows the people writing this article," they wrote in the Reno Gazette Journal.

"And in many ways that would be true. We never had a chance to get to know him, really - he spent his life in Washington, DC while we lived in Northern Nevada and grew up in public schools and on public lands."


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45955972
 

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