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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 05:53 pm
@Olivier5,
What planet do you live on?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 05:56 pm
@revelette1,
Of course, you don't believe that Obama was, in any way, fallible.

I'm afraid I don't believe you re: The Saudi Crown Prince.

If you followed my example you would be honest about what you believe.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 05:58 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Are you claiming that Steele made up the whole thing and Obama knew it?




More or less.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 06:26 pm
Sexual assault victims must be believed! (Right?)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/10/21/victim-details-accusations-of-sexual-assault-by-u-s-senator-corey-booker/
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Blickers
 
  5  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 06:35 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote hightor:
Quote:
Are you claiming that Steele made up the whole thing and Obama knew it?


Quote Finn:
Quote:
More or less.

So how do you account for the fact that nothing the dossier claims has been disproven yet?
Lash
 
  -4  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 06:42 pm
@Blickers,
Disprove you get off on pictures of Pekingese.

A better question is explain why — after a couple hundred million — the details haven’t been proven without a shadow of doubt by the sainted Mueller investigation.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 06:48 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
So how do you account for the fact that nothing the dossier claims has been disproven yet?

It is not intended to be disproved. The accusations have to be proven. Again you have things ass-backwards.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -4  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 06:52 pm
@Lash,
Spasibo tovarich - Wink
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maporsche
 
  5  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 07:09 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Not finalized or investigated/confirmed.

And used to get a warrant, don't forget that. Do you think that un-investigated accusations should be used to do that? You just admitted that is what "they" did.


Yes. I believe that’s is how law enforcement works. You get raw intel, you get a warrant to look at information and wrongdoing. After investigation, raw intel becomes collaborated intel or is proven false or remains unproven but possibly true.

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how it’s supposed to work.
maporsche
 
  4  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 07:20 pm
@maporsche,
My point is that Steele was hired to find raw intel. Raw intel, by definition, is not proven. If some of his raw intel was proven to be false, then that is perfectabky acceptable in the realm of intel gathering. Not every lead pans out.

From what I understand, none of this intel has been proven false and a good bit of it has led to wrongdoing by people in the Trump atmosphere.
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maporsche
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 07:32 pm
@coldjoint,
Really?

An informant against a mob boss comes in and tells the police that he knows of crimes that have been committed. He doesn’t seem like a nutcase and knows names and details that suggest he’s in the know. He can’t prove it right the. but tells them where a body is buried. Only it’s on someone else’s property.

You’re telling me that the police won’t get a warrant to search for a body on someone’s property based on a heretofore unverified accusation?


Gosh. I hope they would.
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maporsche
 
  2  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 07:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Are you moving the goalposts?

You wouldn’t get a warrant to listen to phone calls?
ehBeth
 
  4  
Sun 21 Oct, 2018 07:59 pm
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754


some out of order snips

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the word POLITICO got from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe and more than 15 former government officials with investigation experience spanning Watergate to the 2016 election case. The public, they say, shouldn’t expect a comprehensive and presidency-wrecking account of Kremlin meddling and alleged obstruction of justice by Trump — not to mention an explanation of the myriad subplots that have bedeviled lawmakers, journalists and amateur Mueller sleuths.

Perhaps most unsatisfying: Mueller’s findings may never even see the light of day.

“That’s just the way this works,” said John Q. Barrett, a former associate counsel who worked under independent counsel Lawrence Walsh during the Reagan-era investigation into secret U.S. arms sales to Iran. “Mueller is a criminal investigator. He’s not government oversight, and he’s not a historian.”

All of this may sound like a buzzkill after two years of intense news coverage depicting a potential conspiracy between the Kremlin and Trump’s campaign, plus the scores of tweets from the White House condemning the Mueller probe as a “witch hunt.”



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the two biggest cases since Watergate have been broken up into bite-sized pieces, with interim reports dribbled out while the wider probes continued. The Iran-Contra investigation published intermittent findings on procedural issues, such as how Congress granting immunity for testimony would impair criminal prosecution. The entire probe, however, lasted more than seven years, with a final report issued in August 1993, long after Reagan was out of the White House.

Clinton’s White House dealt with a series of independent counsel investigations, but none as troublesome as the one that started in January 1994 into the first family’s decades-old Whitewater land deals in Arkansas. The probe took multiple twists and expanded to cover several other topics. In 1997, Starr issued a report, affirming Clinton White House deputy counsel Vincent Foster had committed suicide. A year later, he published a report detailing allegations of illegal behavior tied to Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky, which prompted the House to open impeachment proceedings.

A final report on Whitewater didn’t arrive until March 2002, more than eight years after the probe started and more than a year after the Democrat’s second term ended.

All of that history isn’t lost on Mueller.



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“When your investigation is ongoing, it’s hard to write a final report,” said Michael Zeldin, a former Mueller aide who served as a deputy independent counsel in the investigation into George H.W. Bush administration officials fingered for accessing Clinton’s passport files during the 1992 presidential campaign.

Indeed, history offers a mixed bag on what to expect from Mueller’s end game. Several independent counsel investigations have concluded their work without any report at all, including the George W. Bush-era probe into who leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson.


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As for the crafting of the report itself, Mueller has significant leeway. He can theoretically be as expansive as he wants. But sources who have worked closely with Mueller during his lengthy career at the Justice Department say his by-the-books, conservative style is likely to win out, suggesting he might lean more toward saying less than more.

“It’s such a unique situation. He knows there are a lot of questions he needs to address for the sake of trying to satisfy a wide variety of interests and expectations,” said Paul McNulty, a former deputy attorney general from the George W. Bush administration who worked closely with Mueller at the Justice Department.

Mueller’s report will be landing in the shadow of former FBI Director James Comey’s controversial decision to publicly explain his reasons for not prosecuting then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server during her time as secretary of state. The move was widely panned as a breach of DOJ protocol.

“That’s not Bob Mueller’s approach,” McNulty explained. “I’d be surprised if he did that in written form. I think he’s about, ‘Where are the facts before us?’”

The timing on the Mueller investigation final report — the special counsel's office declined comment for this report — remains unclear. While he’s under no deadline to complete his work, several sources tracking the investigation say the special counsel and his team appear eager to wrap up. “I’m sure he’s determined to get back to the rest of his life,” said Barrett, the Iran-Contra investigator who is now a law professor at St. John's University.

But several factors may still slow things down, including a potential protracted legal showdown over whether to force the president into a sit-down interview and what to do with leads that stem from the ongoing cooperation of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Both men pleaded guilty this summer.

Longtime Trump confidante Roger Stone has also said he’s prepared for an indictment in the Mueller probe, which would kick-start an entirely new trial process.


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As for the crafting of the report itself, Mueller has significant leeway. He can theoretically be as expansive as he wants. But sources who have worked closely with Mueller during his lengthy career at the Justice Department say his by-the-books, conservative style is likely to win out, suggesting he might lean more toward saying less than more.

“It’s such a unique situation. He knows there are a lot of questions he needs to address for the sake of trying to satisfy a wide variety of interests and expectations,” said Paul McNulty, a former deputy attorney general from the George W. Bush administration who worked closely with Mueller at the Justice Department.

Mueller’s report will be landing in the shadow of former FBI Director James Comey’s controversial decision to publicly explain his reasons for not prosecuting then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email server during her time as secretary of state. The move was widely panned as a breach of DOJ protocol.

“That’s not Bob Mueller’s approach,” McNulty explained. “I’d be surprised if he did that in written form. I think he’s about, ‘Where are the facts before us?’”

The timing on the Mueller investigation final report — the special counsel's office declined comment for this report — remains unclear. While he’s under no deadline to complete his work, several sources tracking the investigation say the special counsel and his team appear eager to wrap up. “I’m sure he’s determined to get back to the rest of his life,” said Barrett, the Iran-Contra investigator who is now a law professor at St. John's University.

But several factors may still slow things down, including a potential protracted legal showdown over whether to force the president into a sit-down interview and what to do with leads that stem from the ongoing cooperation of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen. Both men pleaded guilty this summer.

Longtime Trump confidante Roger Stone has also said he’s prepared for an indictment in the Mueller probe, which would kick-start an entirely new trial process.


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coldjoint
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 08:09 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
Are you moving the goalposts?

You guys can't play without the football, you fumbled that a while ago.
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Blickers
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:32 pm
@Lash,
Lash: As maporsche stated, the Steele dossier is an investigative report. Steele was hired by a firm working for the conservative Washington Beacon website to do opposition research against Trump. This was when the Washington Beacon website was against nominating Trump. The report was meant to report information, not prove anything.

When the Beacon switched sides and supported Trump, the firm gave the dossier to the FBI. The FBI examined the report, and found that there was nothing in there they were able to check out one way or another which was false. Therefore, the Steele dossier quite rightly is considered reliable information.

The fact that you received a pat on the head from Finn, who plainly has no ammunition to show the report is not reliable, means nothing. Both you and Finn have been wrong about this report all along, and have been trying to tap-dance around that fact for over a year.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 21 Oct, 2018 10:42 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Steele was hired by a firm working for the conservative Washington Beacon

Debunked
Quote:
Once more, for good measure: Conservatives didn't fund the Steele dossier

Stop lying.
Quote:
To reiterate, the Free Beacon had nothing to do with Steele or his work on the dossier.

“The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele,” the group’s top brass said in a statement. “Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/once-more-for-good-measure-conservatives-didnt-fund-the-steele-dossier
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Builder
 
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Mon 22 Oct, 2018 03:33 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
What planet do you live on?


His role here is becoming more obvious, as time rolls on.

Not just a paid shill, but a chuckle-buddy sidekick, much like Jerry Lewis, to Hightor's straight man Dean Martin.

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Olivier5
 
  5  
Mon 22 Oct, 2018 04:44 am
@coldjoint,
If Trump can lie for a decade, over and over again, on Obama's birth, without any basis whatsoever, why can't the US inform its people about a foreign power trying to push for its Manchurian candidate?
 

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