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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 05:49 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
This pause during the investigation will at least allow senators time to process and reflect on the two testimonies.
Quite aside from senators reflecting or even aside from the FBI investigation, there will be a thousand reporters, national and local, digging around to find more evidence related to Kavanaugh and those who have come forward with charges and new/relevant issues not previously known. It's going to be another week similar to this last one.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 05:50 pm
@blatham,
Feels like this is going to get pushed closer to the midterms with brownie points going to the Republicans for finally allowing/pushing for a proper investigation.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 05:54 pm
@ehBeth,
Yup. But I suspect those brownie points will be seriously devalued.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 06:10 pm
@blatham,
I dunno. What I'm seeing on FB on my alternate account shows a turn in support from 24 hours ago.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 06:18 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Trump has also just commented on Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony.

“I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she looks like a very fine woman to me,” Trump told reporters.

“Brett’s testimony was, likewise, really something that I hadn’t seen before.”


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this makes more sense now that I've read back

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/27/media/christine-blasey-ford-fox-news/index.html

Quote:
The White House says President Trump is watching Christine Blasey Ford and Brett Kavanaugh's testimony.
If he's been watching on his favorite network, Fox News, he may be surprised.

Rather than defending Kavanaugh at all costs, like the network's prime time hosts have been doing, Fox's daytime journalists and commentators highlighted Ford's credibility and humanity on display at Thursday's hearing.

"I think Dr. Ford is exceptionally credible," Fox's top legal analyst, Judge Andrew Napolitano, said.

"A lot of folks" are "viewing her as a very credible witness," Supreme Court correspondent and 11 p.m. anchor Shannon Bream said.

After the first break at Thursday's hearing, "Fox News Sunday" moderator Chris Wallace said "this is a disaster for the Republicans."

The assessments on Fox echoed what was being said up and down the TV channel lineup. The NBC, ABC and CBS broadcast networks are all carrying the Senate hearing wall-to-wall, preempting hours of daytime programming. All the cable news networks are also live.

But the tone of the TV discussions -- on Fox and elsewhere -- shifted after Kavanaugh's angry opening statement.

He came out "guns blazing," Fox anchor Martha MacCallum said.

She said that when she interviewed Kavanaugh on Monday, it was like he had "a cork in." Now, "it feels like the cork got pulled out."

Fox commentator Britt Hume said Ford's testimony was "so impressive in its own way," but Kavanaugh was also persuasive.


Quote:
Given Trump's tight relationship with Fox, there had been a lot of curiosity about how the network would frame Thursday's hearing.

All three of the network's prime time hosts -- Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham -- have cast doubt on the claims against Kavanaugh and expressed support for his nomination in many different ways.

"What you are witnessing is one of the ugliest smear campaigns in history," Hannity said Wednesday night.


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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 06:20 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:
Note that while I've seen lots of commentary, I never watched any part of the hearing itself.
Same here. The only thing that I hear about this is what is shown on MacNeil/Lehrer and Washington Week on PBS.
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Setanta
 
  2  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 07:14 pm
Mr. Ellison is not a member of the Senate. Mr. Ellison sits for Minnesota's fifth congressional district. He is being investigated by the Minnesota Democratic Party. This is traditionally how the political parties, going back to the 18th century, have dealt with accusations against their members. As always, it helps to visit the facts before spouting off about someone.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 08:57 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/breaking-ip-address-of-person-who-doxxed-gop-senators-points-to-maxine-waters-office/
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 09:08 pm
Outstanding walkaway testimonial:

Quote:

‎Bill Kimmerly‎ to #WalkAway Campaign
3 hrs ·
I was going to wait until I could do my own slick video but this Kavanaugh nonsense has just gone too far and I need to plant my flag. I live in a very blue part of Washington state. I am a business owner, and I have a PhD in the hard sciences. I am an atheist, pro-choice, pro-marriage equality, pro-cannabis. It seems the only things I have going against me is that I’m straight and white. I voted straight ticket D in every election from 1978 until 2014. My business hosts annual fundraisers for my local D congressman (because he is a personal friend). If the Democrats can lose me with all the cred boxes I’ve ticked above, then this party is truly lost. And an embarrassment as we have all seen in recent days.

In 2016 I held my nose and voted for Trump, the first Republican I had ever voted for at any level. Sure, at the moment I was animated as anti-Hillary because I had supported Bernie through the primaries and was disgusted at the blatant cheating of the Clinton campaign and DNC, but deeply disappointed in Bernie that he capitulated and endorsed her. I was done at that very moment.

My real epiphany occurred on election night watching the returns bouncing around between MSNBC, CNN, and YT. As the night ground on and it became apparent what was happening, the entire scam that is the MSM was laid bare for EVERYONE to see. I was watching and paying attention. Sadly not everyone was, or has yet. I decided to enjoy the rest of the evening, I cracked a few beers and switched over to FOX. Since that night I have never watched those legacy media outlets again, I have never read Huffington Post or Daily Kos again, and I’ve never watched Bill Maher again, and believe me, during my life before I never missed an episode.

What I have seen in the past two years is a President who gets **** done like no other in my lifetime. While I don’t agree with everything, I strongly believe that doing something is usually better than doing nothing. That’s the job of Congress. LOL. Furthermore there have been a couple instances when Trump has changed his mind and reversed something he initially did. Rather than ragging on him as a flip flopper, as a scientist I appreciate someone who will change his or her mind when presented with new evidence.

I think we are in for a wild few months my friends and fellow patriots as the house of cards is about to come tumbling down. We are in for many high profile arrests and resignations, even military tribunals and charges of treason and sedition. Many will try to frame it all as a military coup. I fear that for a short one at least there may be some civil unrest and violence. To the best of our ability we must remain calm, trust the plan, support the President’s agenda, and each of you in your own personal way please work to red pill as many friends, family members, and colleagues-workers as possible. If the Democratic Party can lose somebody like me, anything is possible. Peace.


Setanta
 
  2  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 09:33 pm
Quote:
He is an accused, therefore guilty, sex offender that has overridden every rule the Senate ever had.


As Mr. Ellison is not a member of the Senate, this remark is a non-sequitur.
Builder
 
  -1  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 09:38 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
How about some media coverage and an investigation.


It has never been so clearly and concisely demonstrated just how biased "our" media has become. Operation Mockingbird comes home to roost.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 09:52 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
As Mr. Ellison is not a member of the Senate, this remark is a non-sequitur.

Again, I never said he was. An accusation of sexual abuse has stopped the Senate. It monopolizes the news. Ellison deserves his share, but hey thanks again for the Latin. Anything else?
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maporsche
 
  4  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 10:29 pm
@gungasnake,
Sounds like complete and utter bullshit.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 10:29 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
How about some media coverage and an investigation.


It has never been so clearly and concisely demonstrated just how biased "our" media has become. Operation Mockingbird comes home to roost.


Just out of curiosity, are you referring to the US media or the Australian media when you use "our"?
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 11:09 pm
@maporsche,
Yeah, something is happening...the Kavanaugh family is going to go through another, even more hellish week as Dem operatives and reporters (oops, I'm being redundant) scour the gutters in search of new victims of the serial rapist who would be a SC Justice. They will be dragging hundred dollar bills through the faculty rooms of East and West Coast Universities hoping to find more woman (and who knows maybe a man or two - after all, Kavanaugh is so depraved he might have actually engineered bisexual rape trains) who will come forth with ever more salacious accusations.

You would think that by now the Dems would be able to find a victim who has a friend who is also willing to lie, but then again, why should they? Not only have the three named accusers been unable to corroborate their claims, two of them provided the names of people who were supposed to have been able to but who promptly turned around and said: "Nope, not me" and that didn't slow down the search & destroy process one bit.

Each of the five current accusations (Hey maybe there are six or seven by now - I haven't checked the news in about 15 minutes) have been thinner than those that came before. With each one, we have moved further and further into the theater of the absurd carried along by ever more salacious claims and ever less credible charges, and yet has this impressed anyone on the left? Hell no! Can anyone here say with a straight face that if the roles of the political parties in this nomination were reversed that our laptop screens wouldn't be sticky and smeared by the dripping sarcasm of the leftwing posters here?

The NY Times shows it still has a few shreds of journalistic integrity by refusing to run the Ramirez charges on its pages (because after talking to dozenS of people they couldn't find anyone who could corroborate them), but no problemo, The New Yorker has sexual assault savant and seer Ronan Farrell writing for it and with his extremely extensive and time-tested experience with sexual assault stories he is able to put the Raimerez claim up against his forehead and, a la The Great Karnak, determine it is credible enough to publish!

And just when you think the leftwing media can't sink any lower, NBC runs with an allegation from a source that won't provide anyone with any identifying information at all. NBC couldn't have made even an utterly feeble effort to corroborate the allegations, but did that stop them? Nope. It's a legitimate story of which the public has a right to know!

I wouldn't be surprised if CNN announces the next one (and there will be at least another one before this is over) was received via a microwave transmission from Mars and alleges that Brett Kavanaugh has a 32 year old half human/half martian rape baby living with the victim, his mother, on Phobos. MSNBC will then devote 24 hours of programming to the debate on whether or not Martian sex culture is such that Martian females fall under the new rule that all women must be believed (It's sounding more and more like a cheesy H Rider Haggard dialogue prop: "She who must be believed!")

But as Hillary Clinton might say, "What difference does it make?!"

To paraphrase another great work of fictional dialogue: "Evidence? We don't need no feelthy evidence!" The accused is a male (and white and conservative to boot), the accuser is a female (and liberal to boot) and the allegations involve sexual misconduct..."I believe Survivors!" Case closed!

Remember The Crucible, playwright Arthur Miller's allegory for what is still a rallying cry for liberals, the McCarthy hearings? Those hearings like the Salem Witch Trials, which are at the center of The Crucible , are quintessential American symbols of injustice. Anyone who has seen and recalls the powerful play probably remembers the chilling scene wherein the governor explains to Rev Hale that the accused cannot defend themselves because if they are witches as accused, they could be invisibly working their witchcraft on all present. For most Americans, it was perceived as shocking and viscerally unfair. How can the accused not be allowed to defend themselves? How can it be that someone can be found guilty and sentenced to death solely on the say-so of the accuser, with absolutely no regard for the number of neighbors who are willing to testify to the accused's character?

I've little doubt that this post will be met by sanctimonious criticism from people enjoying the view from their high perch upon the Me Too horse. It's the perfect irrational response to criticism of irrational behavior.

Unfortunately, as in The Crucible and the McCarthy Hearings, underlying the fear and concern driving the behavior in this matter, there is devious design motivated by personal gain.

Builder
 
  0  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 11:19 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
are you referring to the US media or the Australian media when you use "our"?


It's all the same ****, kid. Mudrock media is Australian media. "Our" ABC is in the process of being gutted, underfunded, and key staff deleted.

And if you're thinking it's not infecting your nation, explain how it isn't.
glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 11:27 pm
@Builder,
I think we (Americans) should deport Murdoch back to Australia. Everything he touches turns to ****.
Builder
 
  0  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 11:37 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Everything he touches turns to ****.


He's an American now. Has been for quite some time.

When people talk about how horrified they are that someone might be dicking around with their democratic process, while ignoring what Rupert does with his massive media influence, I gotta have a bit of a chuckle.

He's been convicted and fined for doing it in Europe and the UK. I guess he's splashing too much cash around, and too cosy with AIPAC to be targeted by any kind of reprisals in the US of A.
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glitterbag
 
  5  
Fri 28 Sep, 2018 11:54 pm
It might be helpful to understand that Washington D.C. is a small town where everybody knows everybody's business. It's gossipy, people gossip about the foibles and quirky habits of high level federal employees, they gossip about Congress and Senate and House staffers. The entire area and surrounding areas reverberate with gossip. They know the families, they know about the rumors and scandals and they know who drinks too much and who runs around on their spouse.

Kavanaugh grew up in and around Montgomery County and attended prep school there. His family belonged to the same Country Club Dr. Ford's parents belonged to and all the kids grew up around each other, used the same swimming pools and attended many of the social events hosted by the club.

If Kavanaugh was the choir boy he claims to be, most of his friends, classmates and others will remember him as not very interesting. (That's good if you want to be a Judge or Justice) What most kids remember is the outrageous....I suspect if Kavanaugh is clean, the FBI will attest that he is clean, and all of this will be settled.
 

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