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hightor
 
  3  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:32 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
Surely, America and Americans are better than this.

Where'd you come up with that far-fetched idea?
camlok
 
  -2  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:33 pm
@izzythepush,
Even more petinent, Izzy, is Michael Rivero.

I could have posted this quote for any of the last thousand or so folks on this thread or any similar thread that this quote describes. It just happened to land on Izzy and Izzy is as good an example of you all as it gets.

It applies to Americans, Australians, Brits, Canadians, ... really any of the people of any of the countries that have been supporting the US in its lies, lies that have seen the CONTEMPORARY deaths of millions, the ongoing trauma that these innocents daily face from the ongoing illegal occupation of their nations, the ongoing, relentless terrorism that they daily face from the US and its cowardly allies.

Michael Rivero describes you all and you all know who you are.

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:34 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
This bit of William Burroughs seems quite pertinent now.

What is pertinent is you mouthing off from Europe's newest shithole. No reason to even listen.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:36 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
what bothers me is that your source can't distinguish between egotism and narcissism

Of course determining that is up to you. Blah is right. Bullshit is closer.
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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:38 pm
Don't be surprised if you see me posting this ad nauseum. And thank you, ehBeth, for posting it originally.

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40435684_10217022922588193_8201703783625916416_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=8aa5898f7819c604abdc66406a00ce77&oe=5BED3F4D
camlok
 
  -2  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:38 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
camlok: Surely, America and Americans are better than this.


Quote:
hightor: Where'd you come up with that far-fetched idea?


Honesty or more sarcasm on your part, hightor?

Don't you think Michael Rivero has nailed why such delusion exists among westerners, maybe especially the USA?
hightor
 
  5  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:39 pm
@camlok,
More sarcasm...bring it on!
camlok
 
  -2  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:41 pm
@hightor,
Honesty then, is not of you?

You could have thought a wee bit more you know.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:46 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Don't be surprised if you see me posting this ad nauseum.

Maybe you and Beth should put that into a historical context and realize he is speaking about Arron Burr, who was the vice president at the time.
camlok
 
  0  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:51 pm
@coldjoint,
You and reality are not at all common bedfellows, cj.
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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 12:55 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
You could have thought a wee bit more you know.

No , I couldn't. Not with this ******* hangover.
camlok
 
  -3  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 01:00 pm
@hightor,
Maybe after you have recovered a bit you could address,

Don't you think Michael Rivero has nailed why such delusion exists among westerners, maybe especially the USA?

Hang in there, soon you will go from lowtor to hightor.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 01:50 pm
From the NYT Bulletin Board: How the Anonymous Op-Ed From a Senior Official in the Trump Administration Came to Be
Quote:
The New York Times’s Opinion desk published an Op-Ed by an anonymous senior official in the Trump administration on Wednesday. By Friday, nearly 23,000 readers had submitted questions to us about the vetting process and our thinking behind publishing the essay.

Our Op-Ed editor, James Dao, has responded to a selection of the questions, which have been lightly edited and condensed for clarity.

[... ... ...]

Would you ever reveal your source?
Under what conditions would The New York Times be forced to disclose the source of the Op-Ed?

— Stephanie Genkin, Brooklyn, N.Y.

Stephanie:

It is difficult to imagine a situation where The Times could be forced to disclose the author’s identity. The First Amendment clearly protects the author’s right to publish an essay criticizing the president, and absolutely nothing in the Op-Ed involves criminal behavior. We intend to do everything in our power to protect the identity of the writer and have great confidence that the government cannot legally force us to reveal it.

— Jim Dao

[... ... ...]

Did you consider the effect this piece might have?
To what extent did The Times consider the effect that publication of the piece would have in bolstering conspiracy theories about the “deep state” or QAnon, etc.?

— James Apps, Berlin

James:

We did not take that into consideration. It is difficult to ever know what reportage might feed into a conspiracy theory. But the essay included a passage that indicates the author suspected the piece might be viewed as part of a “deep state” theory: “This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.”

— Jim Dao
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:02 pm
Quote:
“This isn’t the work of the so-called deep state. It’s the work of the steady state.”

The NYT or the author has no authority that makes their claims worth listening to. Who are they to make such a decision? We elect our representatives.
Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
President Trump’s budget chief, Mick Mulvaney, expressed confidence to Republican donors on Saturday that the party would overcome a Democratic “movement of hate” in November, but he acknowledged Republicans could lose races where they have nominated candidates who are not seen as “likable” enough, like Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

Speaking at a closed-door meeting in New York City alongside Ronna McDaniel, the Republican National Committee chairwoman, Mr. Mulvaney insisted that Democrats and the media were exaggerating the political threat facing Republicans this fall: “They want you to think there’s a blue wave when there’s not,” he said, according to an audio recording of his remarks that was obtained by The New York Times from a person at the meeting.

But Mr. Mulvaney, who leads both the Office of Management and Budget and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, conceded that Republicans had nominated poor candidates in places and might struggle to defend a huge number of open House seats where Republican incumbents decided not to run for re-election.

He pointed to the Senate races in Texas and Florida as examples where candidate quality could be decisive.

In Florida, Republicans have nominated Gov. Rick Scott to challenge Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat, and polls show the race is close. In Texas, Mr. Cruz holds a modest polling lead over Representative Beto O’Rourke, a Democrat who has raised enormous amounts of money online.

“There’s a very real possibility we will win a race for Senate in Florida and lose a race in Texas for Senate, O.K.?” Mr. Mulvaney said. “I don’t think it’s likely, but it’s a possibility. How likable is a candidate? That still counts.”

And Mr. Mulvaney alluded to last year’s special election for Senate in Alabama and suggested that Mr. Trump remained bewildered at his party’s defeat there. The Democratic nominee, Doug Jones, prevailed in a stunning upset over the Republican, Roy Moore, a polarizing former judge who was accused of once preying on teenage girls.

“The president asks me all the time, ‘Why did Roy Moore lose?’” Mr. Mulvaney said. “That’s easy. He was a terrible candidate.”

Spokesmen for both Mr. Mulvaney and Ms. McDaniel did not immediately comment on their remarks.

Ms. McDaniel, too, noted that Republicans were facing political headwinds in some respects, though like Mr. Mulvaney she offered an upbeat prognosis over all. She said Democratic voters appeared to have more energy than Republicans at this point, but said Republicans had a formidable and well-financed voter-turnout machine to compensate.

“It does cost, right now, more money to engage our voters, to get them knowledge of the election,” Ms. McDaniel said. “They have their energy. We have our infrastructure.”

Democrats, Mr. Mulvaney argued, had so far failed to mobilize voters the way Republicans did that year. He said Democrats did not have a unifying issue for their campaigns, the way Republicans harnessed opposition to the Affordable Care Act in 2010.

“It’s hard to draw people into a movement of hate,” Mr. Mulvaney said, adding: “I don’t think I have seen, yet, people who used to be Republican or people who have never voted before or haven’t voted in a long time, showing up at these events.”

But Mr. Mulvaney nodded to the reality that House Republicans are on defense across a large stretch of the political map, because of an exodus of longtime lawmakers from the chamber.

“I don’t know how many seats we’ve got this year, but there’s got to be, how many?” Mr. Mulvaney said. “Twenty? Thirty? Forty?”
NYT
camlok
 
  0  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:34 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The NYT or the author has no authority that makes their claims worth listening to.


Didn't they interview a WH insider, cj?
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:45 pm
@camlok,
Quote:

Didn't they interview a WH insider, cj?

You clearly are not understanding what you are reading, are you?
camlok
 
  -1  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:49 pm
@coldjoint,
Nevertheless, your duplicity is all one has to be aware of to know that you don't really believe in Trump and Trumpism, you are simply too frightened to change your mind, to admit that you made a terrible mistake.

Take courage in the words of Michael Rivero and know - you too can be saved, cj.

"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero

coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 02:57 pm
@camlok,
"Most people prefer to believe their leaders are just and fair even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which they live is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of a corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one's self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all." - Michael Rivero

I agree with what he says. And that is what Trump, his supporters, and the very few honest politicians are doing.
camlok
 
  -1  
Sat 8 Sep, 2018 03:10 pm
@coldjoint,
You are lying, cj, just like Trump lies. This is proven fact, Trump lies much much more often than Trump tells the truth.

You can't even acknowledge this reality.

Your flaccid arguments and flaccid responses illustrate that critical thinking is not you any more than critical thinking is sarah palin.
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