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ehBeth
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:29 am
Andrew Sullivan

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/andrew-sullivan-we-are-trumps-hostages.html

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This emperor has had absolutely no clothes from the very beginning. The only thing in doubt all along has been the Republican Party’s complicity.

And that complicity remains. If anything, it is intensifying. As Jim Fallows constantly points out, any single Republican senator — Sasse, Corker, Collins, Graham, Paul, Murkowski — could check this president by voting against him, on any number of issues, including the protection of Robert Mueller’s investigation.

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The Times’ Mr. (or Ms.) Anonymous is part of that complicity, knowing full well what a nightmare this president is, and yet sticking with him for policy gains he prefers. For that, he is part of the problem rather than the solution. But, in his defense, he is in a very tough spot. The shrinking GOP base is more committed to this mad king than to any other Republican president at this point in his term. Almost every Republican senator knows that the president is profoundly unfit, a danger to the republic and the world, a madman child in charge of Crazytown … and does absolutely nothing at all.

“If left to his own accord, our country would look somewhat like Venezuela,” Senator Bob Corker said this week. “It shocks me, some of the things — as if you treat your friends in one way and your political enemies in another way. Most presidents understand their role is different than this one does. He’s remarkable in his lack of appreciation for democratic values and institutions. And I think that’s where some of the greatest damage is being done to this country.” If this is true — as it manifestly is — and Corker will nonetheless do nothing within his constitutional power to stop it, even though he’s fricking retiring this year and has nothing to lose, what is a patriotic public servant supposed to do?

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Unfortunately, there is no case for publicizing any of this anonymously in the New York Times. Far from helping his cause, Anonymous has undermined it. Worse, he has triggered this president — which was completely predictable — into exactly the kind of unhinged behavior Anonymous is so worried about. Maybe the op-ed was designed to buttress Woodward’s portrayal of a dangerous two-track administration. Maybe it was a way of salving his own conscience in the wake of McCain’s death. Maybe it was a misbegotten attempt to calm those of us horrified by what Trump is doing to the office and liberal democracy. But as a political act, it was indeed gutless as well as pointless.

Blickers
 
  2  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:31 am
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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the National Enquirer who broke the John Edwards scandal.

The National Enquirer lives for sex scandals and they found one on a guy running for president. The fact that you equate a president who is so mentally incapable of running the country that his aides have to run the country without him knowing it speaks volumes about your lack of judgment as to the importance of what is going on.

The president has the codes. Where he gets his jollies is wholly secondary to whether he is capable of mentally functioning. That is the question here, and I can't think of another example outside of Nixon in his last days, which was reported on.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:34 am
@ehBeth,
frank rich

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/frank-rich-anonymous-trump-official-collaborator-not-resister.html
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:48 am
WaPo: Trump says Justice Department should investigate who wrote anonymous New York Times op-ed, citing national security, AP reports
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The op-ed, published online Wednesday, was written by a senior official in the Trump administration, according to the Times. It depicts a “two-track presidency” in which President Trump acts according to his own whims while many of his top aides, in the author’s words, work to thwart his “more misguided impulses until he is out of office.”

Trump said the investigation was needed for national security reasons. It is unclear what law he believes was broken.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:49 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

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In a parliamentary system, getting rid of such a terrible leader would be relatively easy: .


Not as easy as you'd think. May is relatively unpopular and reliant on Dem Unionist votes for a majority, but there's no vote of confidence pending because no Tory MP wants to lose their seat. Some have wafer thin majorities that would not survive a general election, like local boy Royston Smith with a majority of just 31 votes.

As for doing it at party level nobody wants to be seen as a traitor, it would ruin their chances of ever becoming leader. There's also a huge ideological divide between hard brexiteers and the rest.
ehBeth
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:51 am
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41141810_1868944796519056_7430165917385883648_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=ff8997151903a5eb6c87897be36a4e6a&oe=5BF311D9
Baldimo
 
  -4  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 10:51 am
@Blickers,
I seem to recall the left saying these very same things about Bush, it's a reused tactic and old tactic. When the left fails to win the fight on actual policy issues this is what they resort to.
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ehBeth
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:02 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Quote:
In a parliamentary system, getting rid of such a terrible leader would be relatively easy: .


Not as easy as you'd think.


interesting. non-confidence votes are used reasonably often in Canada and Australia. Prorogues and non-confidence votes. Enough to make you tired of going to the polls.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:33 am
@ehBeth,
Your cartoon only shows Cruz values the policies more than he dislikes personal insults. Remember they campaigned on the same issues and came up with similar plans for immigration and a border wall. Cruz cares about the country, not what cry babies say about him.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:35 am
Over here, votes of confidence are by the government to quell dissent in backbenchers when getting unpopular legislation through, like Brexit. Even with DUP support May's majority isn't that big. A few rebels voting against or abstaining could tip the balance, so they make it a no confidence issue and it passes, because turkeys aren't going to vote for Christmas.
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gungasnake
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:48 am
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3901472/pg1
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:54 am
@gungasnake,
Nice meme at your link.
https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/eed102c7dd.jpg
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hightor
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 11:55 am
@coldjoint,
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Woodrow Wilson's wife finished his term in office after a stroke.

Yup, fair point as I didn't specify "modern presidential era". Although that information did eventually get out — I heard about that from a history teacher in high school back in the '60s. But there wasn't the same sort of press coverage and media attention in those days. And a reporter who got word of it could have agreed to keep it to himself for the sake of national security. Like Harding, FDR, Ike, LBJ, JFK — all of whom are now known to have had affairs, etc.— but those were different times. But I agree, a hundred years ago a president was less exposed.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 7 Sep, 2018 12:02 pm
@hightor,
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And a reporter who got word of it could have agreed to keep it to himself for the sake of national security.

Like the reporter that hid the picture of Obama and Farrakhan? And you are right honor meant something then, it means nothing now. The media picks our heroes, and they do a piss poor job of it.

There is no honor in what the NYT or that author did.
gungasnake
 
  -3  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 01:11 pm
In other words, this may be a case of plagiarism on the part of the fish wrap New York Times.I mean, they may as well just be putting stuff they find on bathroom walls on their editorial page....
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gungasnake
 
  -4  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 01:14 pm
"He who writes on bathroom walls
Rolls his **** in little balls
But he who reads those NYT words of wit (demokkkrats, libtards, snowflakes)
EATS THOSE LITTLE BALLS OF ****......"
najmelliw
 
  0  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 01:21 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

"He who writes on bathroom walls
Rolls his **** in little balls
But he who reads those NYT words of wit (demokkkrats, libtards, snowflakes)
EATS THOSE LITTLE BALLS OF ****......"


Well, they are much tastier than the crap that Trump and cohorts dish out on daily basis, there's that....
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engineer
 
  3  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 01:27 pm
@ehBeth,
Article from Slate saying it sounds an awful lot like Jon Huntsman, US Ambassador to Russia.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/new-york-times-op-ed-anonymous-writer-trump.html
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 01:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

Like the reporter that hid the picture of Obama and Farrakhan?

No, not like that. At all.
Quote:


In 2005, a news photographer took a picture of Barack Obama smiling beside Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan at a meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus. It didn't surface until yesterday.

That's because, not long after the shutter snapped, at the urging of the CBC, the photographer, Askia Muhammad, gave it to Farrakhan's staff "and basically swore secrecy" out of a concern that it might have "made a difference" in the political future of the President-to-be.

We should be clear: There is no sign that Obama ever palled around with Farrakhan, or that he gave quarter to his anti-white, anti-Semitic hate. To the contrary; he condemned it repeatedly. Guilt by association is odious, especially when it comes with an extra layer of racism.

But this image was newsworthy. It was taken by a journalist. It should have seen the light of day.

NYDN

Interesting to compare the way the story was covered by the Conservative Daily Post:
Quote:
An explosive new photograph has been released of former President Barack Obama smiling and posing with radical Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan.

The photo was reportedly taken by far-left political activist Askia Muhammad in 2005 during a secret Congressional Black Caucus meeting on Capitol Hill one evening.

After taking the sickening photo[editorialize much?], Muhammad said he decided to never let it see the light of day because he feared it would cause catastrophic damage to Obama, who “had already become the darling of national Democratic politics. And the scent of a presidential run was strong.”

The photo that never saw the light of day: Obama with Farrakhan in 2005 https://t.co/nUrPbYVy0q pic.twitter.com/MrjqRdJy9G

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He was still a state senator at the time.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Fri 7 Sep, 2018 02:04 pm
@hightor,
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He was still a state senator at the time.

That does not change what Farrakhan said then and still does.
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