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Another absolutely shocking turn of events that no one predicted.

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Stricter voter ID laws on fast track to pass in [Michigan] Legislature

@blatham,

Interesting how you can take two words (American solution) completely out of context and, from that, divine the most threatening intentions emanating from a brutally calculated conspiracy of some kind, eh, Blathy?

Up for some patent fear-mongering, anybody? Blathy's your man!

This is nothing new. Pence was saying the same thing during the campaign:

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"We can't trust Hillary Clinton with our health care any more than we can trust her with classified information," Pence said.

He also noted that in a 2015 speech in Canada she said that "she wants to get universal health-care coverage" to Americans, as Canadians have.

Pence then said, scornfully, "We don't want the socialized health care they have in Canada. We want American solutions."

Pence said those solutions, in a Trump administration, would be expanding tax-advantage health savings accounts so that Americans could save for their medical needs, allowing for sales of health insurance plans across state lines and block-granting federal Medicaid funds to states so they could decided how to run that health coverage program for the poor as they saw fit.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/01/donald-trump-blasts-obamacare--with-a-lot-of-help-from-running-mate-mike-pence.html

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@Frugal1,

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The ACA was anything but affordable, it needs to be ripped out by it's roots & killed with fire.

From here on (until these jokers can be replaced) if a person needs health insurance, they're in big trouble financially. The ACA has been affordable, it's just that many Americans expect to have things given to them. They don't want to admit that there are responsibilities other than having all the stuff they think they deserve.

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@giujohn,

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Now why would I get frustrated and be disappointed when you're telling me there's plenty of tail out there. Frankly, when you're chasing tail you're not too concerned about whether or not they're insecure. After all tail is tail.

If you get off chasing your own tail (did you miss that point?) then enjoy running in circles in your own private space.

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@Lola,

Lola, you're dead wrong about the ACA being affordable., in fact it was the ACA that put people needing insurance in big trouble financially. 0bama, and his democrats will never be honest about the financial hardship their ACA put on millions of Americans, and they will NEVER accept responsibility for hurting so many Americans. We the people deserve better than 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, Schumer, and the rest of the deceptive democrat party.

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@Frugal1,

Frugal1, You have a way of speaking as if your opinion were fact. Health insurance costs money. Too much money. But if a person is to have insurance, they will have to pay for it. It's true the greedy insurance companies sabotaged the ACA making affordable insurance impossible without modifications to the ACA. That possibility is gone now. We'll see what the Repubs will offer to replace it. But if privatizing it is their solution, then forget affordability. Because this solution puts the greedy back in charge.

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Lola, you have a way of speaking as if you really believe the crap that comes out of your mouth. I bet you also believe the ACA was about improving health care...

http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Wisconsin-Recount-800x416.png

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@Frugal1,

Address the topic, insults only make you look bad.

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@Lola,

No, I got your point I just decided to start talking about chasing tail cuz chasing tail is more fun than your whiney posts about Hillary.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

At an Ohio rally yesterday, Pence said that the ACA would be replaced with "American solutions". Ain't that a curious bit of phrasing. The ACA was, of course, modeled on Mitt Romney's program when he was governor. It's not as if Mitt smuggled in his program from a Soviet 5 Year Plan or from those useful idiots up in Canada.

So what are the messaging boys and girls doing with this talking point phrasing (which I'm guessing we'll see and hear a lot going forward)?

Obviously there's the suggestion that the ACA was, in some way, non-American. That's not in any sense true unless one takes as axiomatic that any such large government program violates some "rule" or "tradition". Or that any such program must be inspired by destructive foreign ideas.

If that's the message being forwarded (and I think that's exactly the message being forwarded) then it will hold true that the origins or provenance of any such program is and will always be irrelevant. And it would hold true that the popular will is also irrelevant.

The word "solution" as used in the political realm has an atrocious past. The extermination of undesirables was known as Germany's final solution. The use of the word is unsurprising considering reports that the only book Trump probably ever perused was written by Hitler and that Trump has emulated Hitler's brand of populism. Trump's "American Solution" for those he places in the undesirable category is obviously to deprive them the basic necessities for survival. Although I'm not a fan of Obamacare, I don't think Trump and his ilk will replace it with anything acceptable.

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@Lola,

You feel insulted?
That actually makes you look bad.

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

The word "solution" as used in the political realm has an atrocious past. The extermination of undesirables was known as Germany's final solution. The use of the word is unsurprising considering reports that the only book Trump probably ever perused was written by Hitler and that Trump has emulated Hitler's brand of populism. Trump's "American Solution" for those he places in the undesirable category is obviously to deprive them the basic necessities for survival. Although I'm not a fan of Obamacare, I don't think Trump and his ilk will replace it with anything acceptable.

[triggered]What a completely, utterly, stupendously large pile of **** that is. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such a pitiful thing. I am so sick and tired of seeing Trump and Hitler compared and over the word "solution"? You have got to be kidding me.

You should ask for a refund on your education. It obviously failed you.[/triggered]

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@Debra Law,

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Although I'm not a fan of Obamacare, I don't think Trump and his ilk will replace it with anything acceptable.

Hi Debra, nice to hear from you.

I'm Canadian though I lived a decade down south. The cruelty of the US approach to medical insurance pre ACA was morally repugnant even if I understand the dynamics of US resistance to moving in the direction of every other western nation. Whatever these people now in power do end up with (they're going to wait until after the mid-terms because power is everything) isn't going to be pretty. It's a bad point in time.

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

The extermination of undesirables was known as Germany's final solution. The use of the word is unsurprising considering reports that the only book Trump probably ever perused was written by Hitler and that Trump has emulated Hitler's brand of populism.

This slimey, cheap-ass innuendo is unworthy of substantive comment. I highlight it only for the purposes of pointing out the kind of "tactics" being employed by the left wing.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

The ACA was, of course, modeled on Mitt Romney's program when he was governor. It's not as if Mitt smuggled in his program from a Soviet 5 Year Plan or from those useful idiots up in Canada.

Ah, the ol "Mitt Plan" jewel that you guys like to pull out whenever you mention the ACA. As if we are supposed to go "Oh! Right! Based on good ol Mitt's plan! Must be a good thing then!"

It's like saying a Bugatti Veyron was based on Ford's Model T. Not that the ACA is anything like the Bugatti Veyron.

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@McGentrix,

I think Debra's extension of the term is seriously out of whack. Trump isn't a Hitler and I see no reason to think that analogy appropriate even if Trump is clearly an authoritarian personality and an unrepentant propagandist. but one does not have to have the Hitler analogy to still get somewhere very ugly.

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@McGentrix,

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Ah, the ol "Mitt Plan" jewel that you guys like to pull out whenever you mention the ACA.

OK, then take the time and explain to me how Pence's phrase makes any rational sense at all. Tell me what you think that choice is meant to communicate.

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@McGentrix,

Like Hillary Clinton, Ms. Law appears to have utter contempt for a large segment of the American people, eh, Gent?

She must think that everybody other than herself and her commie-ass homeys have an IQ under 25.

By merely making a post like that she is insulting the intelligence of anyone who reads it.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

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Ah, the ol "Mitt Plan" jewel that you guys like to pull out whenever you mention the ACA.

OK, then take the time and explain to me how Pence's phrase makes any rational sense at all. Tell me what you think that choice is meant to communicate.

I think Layman did a good job of that so I will just let him answer you.

layman wrote:

Interesting how you can take two words (American solution) completely out of context and, from that, divine the most threatening intentions emanating from a brutally calculated conspiracy of some kind, eh, Blathy?

Up for some patent fear-mongering, anybody? Blathy's your man!

This is nothing new. Pence was saying the same thing during the campaign:

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"We can't trust Hillary Clinton with our health care any more than we can trust her with classified information," Pence said.

He also noted that in a 2015 speech in Canada she said that "she wants to get universal health-care coverage" to Americans, as Canadians have.

Pence then said, scornfully, "We don't want the socialized health care they have in Canada. We want American solutions."

Pence said those solutions, in a Trump administration, would be expanding tax-advantage health savings accounts so that Americans could save for their medical needs, allowing for sales of health insurance plans across state lines and block-granting federal Medicaid funds to states so they could decided how to run that health coverage program for the poor as they saw fit.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/01/donald-trump-blasts-obamacare--with-a-lot-of-help-from-running-mate-mike-pence.html

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@Lola,

Hi bedmate of my recent acquaintance. Some of the chaps engaging on this thread are a tad rough around the edges. Feel free to ignore where value not apparent.

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