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Debra Law
 
  3  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 11:15 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

The word "solution" as used in the political realm has an atrocious past. The extermination of undesirables was known as Germany's final solution. The use of the word is unsurprising considering reports that the only book Trump probably ever perused was written by Hitler and that Trump has emulated Hitler's brand of populism. Trump's "American Solution" for those he places in the undesirable category is obviously to deprive them the basic necessities for survival. Although I'm not a fan of Obamacare, I don't think Trump and his ilk will replace it with anything acceptable.


[triggered]What a completely, utterly, stupendously large pile of **** that is. You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such a pitiful thing. I am so sick and tired of seeing Trump and Hitler compared and over the word "solution"? You have got to be kidding me.

You should ask for a refund on your education. It obviously failed you.[/triggered]


Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Your bluster means nothing to me. When you remove your lips from Trump's ass and start using your brain, take a look at the people he has selected for official offices. Drain the swamp, indeed. He doesn't have anything good in mind for you. If you fell for his Hitleresque rhetoric, then shame on you. Wag your scolding finger in the direction it truly belongs.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 11:21 am
@Debra Law,
You're spot on! Trump is a pathological liar. Just check politifact on Trump Lies.
Here's another: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump%2c+patholoogical+liar&view=detail&mid=ECDE5FCB886DE280203FECDE5FCB886DE280203F&FORM=VIRE

blatham
 
  2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 11:22 am
@McGentrix,
Oh, so it is that socialist Canada thing spilling across the border where there ain't a fence but ought to be a fence.



layman
 
  1  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 11:28 am
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Your bluster means nothing to me. When you remove your lips from Trump's ass and start using your brain, take a look at the people he has selected for official offices. Drain the swamp, indeed. He doesn't have anything good in mind for you. If you fell for his Hitleresque rhetoric, then shame on you. Wag your scolding finger in the direction it truly belongs.


When challenged, these commies always seem to double-down on their simplistic left-wing tripe, eh, Gent? Talk about "failing to learn from history!"
Lola
 
  2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 11:44 am
@blatham,
@Lola,
Quote:
Hi bedmate of my recent acquaintance. Some of the chaps engaging on this thread are a tad rough around the edges. Feel free to ignore where value not apparent.


Good advice, dear. I will act accordingly.
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Frugal1
 
  -1  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 12:14 pm
Thank God that congenital liar is not our next president, she is one nasty ass woman.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 12:44 pm
@cicerone imposter,
More on Trump's lies.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump%2c+patholoogical+liar&&view=detail&mid=EE3F4CE10787F7A582E1EE3F4CE10787F7A582E1&rvsmid=ECDE5FCB886DE280203FECDE5FCB886DE280203F&fsscr=0&FORM=VDFSRV
Frugal1
 
  -3  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 12:57 pm
This Trump presidency will be a refreshing change after suffering the last 8 years of rule by traitors like 0bama & clinton. The prospects for prosperity these next 4 years, and beyond are excellent.
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cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 01:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
PolitiFact finds 76 percent of his blunderbuss through March 2016 is mostly false, false, pants-on-fire lies.

Some people just can't face facts. LOL
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Frugal1
 
  -2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 01:04 pm
obama will go down in history as the worst president of these United States of America -
McGentrix
 
  0  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 01:19 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Oh, so it is that socialist Canada thing spilling across the border where there ain't a fence but ought to be a fence.



Is that all you took from that? Shame really.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 01:21 pm
@layman,
Well, I'm wagging something anyways.
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i800gtplay
 
  5  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 01:59 pm
@giujohn,
Giujohn,

Do you worry at all about Trump's frequent comments and actions which tend to come off as racist or ignorant (in my opinion)? - such as the Mexican rapist comment, suggesting to ban Muslims from travel to the US, saying we should torture families of enemies, the fact his win has gained support of "altright" and KKK groups, and recent comments toward Nawaz Sharif that ignore the dynamics of policy in the region.

Some of these comments he's rescinded or changed, but one of the most important things I want in a leader is the ability to have a thorough understanding of the implications of their actions. So, in my opinion, even if we say Trump isn't a racist or bigot or whatever else he's been called, it still concerns me deeply to have him as president.

Looking for some insight from a Trump supporter so I can understand, not judge.

Thanks.
reasoning logic
 
  4  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 02:10 pm
@Frugal1,
[quote]obama will go down in history as the worst president of these United States of America -[/quote]

I have beard many people say to others that they need to stop complaining about trump and give him a chance .

You may not be complaining about trump but I do have to say the same thing to you, "Give Donald a Chance" he seems to be interested in entering this race to be the worst president ever,
Debra Law
 
  1  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 02:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You're spot on! Trump is a pathological liar. Just check politifact on Trump Lies.
Here's another: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump%2c+patholoogical+liar&view=detail&mid=ECDE5FCB886DE280203FECDE5FCB886DE280203F&FORM=VIRE





Trump's countless lies and contradictions are all caught on tape and he's backpedaling on every campaign promise he made. It's funny watching his supporters endure their self-imposed oblivion. Their mudslinging is on auto-pilot.
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layman
 
  1  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 02:53 pm
@i800gtplay,
i800gtplay wrote:

Giujohn,

Do you worry at all about Trump's frequent comments and actions which tend to come off as racist or ignorant (in my opinion)? - such as the Mexican rapist comment, suggesting to ban Muslims from travel to the US, saying we should torture families of enemies, the fact his win has gained support of "altright" and KKK groups, and recent comments toward Nawaz Sharif that ignore the dynamics of policy in the region.

Some of these comments he's rescinded or changed, but one of the most important things I want in a leader is the ability to have a thorough understanding of the implications of their actions. So, in my opinion, even if we say Trump isn't a racist or bigot or whatever else he's been called, it still concerns me deeply to have him as president.

Looking for some insight from a Trump supporter so I can understand, not judge.

Thanks.


You didn't ask me, but I'll give you a brief response anyway. You mention a lot of things that you classify as "racist" or "ignorant." Every one of those particular issues could be, and probably have been, the subject of an entire thread here. I won't try to respond to all of that in one post.

Trump has built a 4-5 billion (or whatever it is) dollar real estate empire which reaches world-wide. Many of those projects were monumental in scope, and didn't get completed just because Trump "wanted" them done. It took massive, devoted efforts by legions of people: common laborers, skilled attorneys, construction management crews, etc.

The point? Those extremely complex "deals" and construction efforts did not get done by Trump single-handedly, or anywhere near it. He HAD to have, and was able to acquire, tons of skilled experts to whom he could, and was willing to, delegate major responsibilities. These projects didn't get done by talking in front of crowds.

He has shown he is capable of exercising the good judgment required to surround himself with competent experts that will get the job done. He has not proposed any "racist" policies, unless you want to call the enforcement of existing immigration law "racist," and he would never get truly racist policies implemented even if he tried. Any "ignorance" (and there is no doubt that, as with any president, there are many aspect of the job about which he is relatively ignorant) he has can be cured by learning from and delegating to true experts.

Trump probably doesn't personally have the knowledge and skill required to weld steel, operate cranes, lay brick, etc. That didn't prevent him from getting the job done in previous endeavors.

He may end up spending more time on the golf course than any other president in history. If so, that wouldn't make the country stop functioning.
blatham
 
  3  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 03:03 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Is that all you took from that? Shame really.

It isn't really but I'm not confident that further explanation will be of much help. His point was that Pence had used the phrase earlier. I'm not sure what relevance he or you grants to this earlier usage.

And Pence did allude to Clinton's possible move to add a single payer option like we have in Canada. That, I gather, justifies the alien connotation that Pence's phrase suggests.

But then we need to consider how truthful he's being in this usage or whether he's just pushing emotional buttons. For example, Pence was providing what he considers a reason to cancel the ACA. But as Clinton didn't win, whatever she said has no relevance here whatsoever. The ACA doesn't have that "Canadian" feature so the alien vs American phrasing makes no sense. Other than to push an emotional button, that is.

If you consider the ACA as it stands, it is far closer in design and function to Mitt's arrangement in his state than it is to Canada's program. That's simply not debatable. So to label it as somehow not American is to be untruthful.

Unless, as I said, one holds that there is only one possible arrangement of governance that is "American", regardless of what citizens themselves might desire or choose.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 03:21 pm
@reasoning logic,
0bama has taken this country down so far that Trump could sleep for 4 years, and still be a better president than 0bama.
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McGentrix
 
  2  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 03:36 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Is that all you took from that? Shame really.

It isn't really but I'm not confident that further explanation will be of much help. His point was that Pence had used the phrase earlier. I'm not sure what relevance he or you grants to this earlier usage.

And Pence did allude to Clinton's possible move to add a single payer option like we have in Canada. That, I gather, justifies the alien connotation that Pence's phrase suggests.

But then we need to consider how truthful he's being in this usage or whether he's just pushing emotional buttons. For example, Pence was providing what he considers a reason to cancel the ACA. But as Clinton didn't win, whatever she said has no relevance here whatsoever. The ACA doesn't have that "Canadian" feature so the alien vs American phrasing makes no sense. Other than to push an emotional button, that is.

If you consider the ACA as it stands, it is far closer in design and function to Mitt's arrangement in his state than it is to Canada's program. That's simply not debatable. So to label it as somehow not American is to be untruthful.

Unless, as I said, one holds that there is only one possible arrangement of governance that is "American", regardless of what citizens themselves might desire or choose.


You asked:
blatham wrote:

OK, then take the time and explain to me how Pence's phrase makes any rational sense at all. Tell me what you think that choice is meant to communicate.


You may know that Americans tend to have a sense of pride. Especially those of us that actually love our country. People keep wanting America to emulate a socialistic European countries health care, or English health care or, maybe, even Canadian healthcare. Well, that's not we need. What we need are American Solutions for American people, by American people.

It has nothing so sinister as someone like Debra Law might think (that still pisses me off). They haven't taken office yet so they are campaigning still on what they may do.

The ACA, as it stands, is a failure. So, in that fact it could be considered quite Canadian. It needs to go away and unless Trump intends to implement an actual single payer plan, he needs to do many of the things he campaigned on. One of which would be opening up plans across state lines will open up all kinds of new insurance plans and hopefully reduce costs nationwide.
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 4 Dec, 2016 03:47 pm
@McGentrix,
I think it is interesting that the incidence of Canadians criticizing our health care (and other) systems appears to be far greater than that of Americans criticizing theirs. Given our relative numbers that is increasingly odd. I'm not sure what to make of it - many possibilities there- Perhaps Americans are less aware and less curious about others; perhaps Canadians are just a bit more nosey and intrusive. Hard to tell.
 

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