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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 07:46 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Citizens United enabling Koch brothers to take over America?

Have the Dems changed their minds on that decision by the Supreme court?
http://www.peoplesworld.org/article/citizens-united-enabling-koch-brothers-to-take-over-america/
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layman
 
  -3  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 07:48 pm
Trump just got wild cheering after saying that voter I.D laws are needed.

There are about 25 million people on American soil who are citizens of, and owe their allegiance to, foreign countries. About half of those are here illegally and the other half here on some kinda of visa.

Yet they vote in sanctuary cities and states just as easily as you and your brother. Those states don't ever require proof of citizenship in order to register foreign citizens to vote, and, in fact, make it illegal to even ask for it.

Another reason why, as it stands, the popular vote is meaningless. California alone has 6-7 million foreign citizens, mostly Mexican nationals who view California as just another province of Mexico. They cast their vote, in America, based on the interests of Mexico, not those of the USA. Hispanics outnumber gringos in California, and control the legislation there. Most of them have Mexican flags flying on their front porch. In the other 49 states combined, Trump won the popular vote. The Mexican nationals in California gave Clinton an edge, favoring her by about a 95%-5% margin.

FAIR wrote:
Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections

Mass immigration has had a significant effect on American electoral politics. Despite the fact that it is a crime for aliens to vote in federal elections, noncitizens and illegal aliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts. This means that areas with large numbers of illegal alien residents gain additional representatives in Congress.

The United States does not currently issue any general-use document intended to confirm both identity and citizenship. While a U.S. passport may be used for both these purposes, it is a travel document. Most people seek a passport when planning a trip and only a relatively small proportion of the population holds a passport at any given time.

As a result, the preferred form of documentary identification in the United States is the drivers’ license. Drivers’ licenses are issued by the states, pursuant to a widely varying body of state-specific laws and regulations. Currently, twelve states and the District of Columbia allow illegal aliens to obtain a drivers’ license.

Alien voting is easy. In states without ID requirements, the only check against noncitizens registering to vote is a box on the application form asking registrants to confirm they are U.S. citizens. Given the fact that this affirmation is rarely verified and few violators are ever prosecuted, it is a pointless exercise that does nothing to deter voter fraud. In states with voter ID requirements, the lack of a single, standardized document that demonstrates both identity and citizenship makes voter fraud all too easy.


https://www.fairus.org/issue/societal-impact/noncitizens-voting-violations-and-us-elections

layman
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 08:11 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
How can you tell the difference between the media simply presenting a story, "Here's what this guy says", and the media presenting the same story as if we are expected to believe the story is factual, "Here's what this guy says and you should believe it"?
He said Trump knew. End of story.


Congratulations, Hi. You have just proven beyond all doubt that you are a rabidly partisan hack without an iota of intellectual integrity. You are both a liar and a fool (fool to think you're fooling anyone, that is).

The guy explicitly said that he had no personal knowledge and made it clear that he was only giving his opinion. That statement was deliberately omitted. That's not TELLING Tapper that he knew Trump knew or TELLING Tapper that Trump knew, as was reported. He didn't say "Trump knew." He said his opinion was that he knew, no more, no less. It was NOT reported that way.

I notice that you refuse to address the OUTRIGHT LIE, repeatedly reported as fact, that is essential to this whole farce (i.e. the claim that Trump HAD to know in advance because he NEVER gave the anti-Clinton speech he said that he would). These rags knew he did give the speech, if they knew anything at all, and you would too, if you didn't believe every filthy lie that's fed to you by the fake news outlets.

Nunberg wrote:
He talked about it a week before.


What is "it" in this sentence? I've already given you the context for this, which you deliberately and disingenuously ignore. Basically, Nunberg told Tapper that he had learned from Tapper what Tapper claimed to "know," and no more.

The "it" was NOT the russian meeting, as the fake news tried to convey. "It" was simply Trump's statement that he would later give an anti-Clinton speech (which he did, but which the fake news flatly denied).

And you try to defend these misrepresentations with a straight face?

Nice try, cheese-eater.
layman
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 09:05 pm
@layman,
[url][/url]There's a huge difference in a court of law, or in any arena of rational discussion, between stating a subjective conclusion and testifying to a fact based upon direct observation. Conclusions are not even admissible.

Lincoln told a story about the lawyer who asked too many questions.

A witness got on the stand and stated, as a conclusion, with no foundation being laid, that the lawyer's client had bit the ear off of John Smith.

The lawyer should have objected to the statement as inadmissible right there, and left it alone. But he had greater ambitions so he asked: "Did you see him bite off his ear?" The witness said "no."

Clearly time for the lawyer to say "no more questions" and sit his sorry ass down, but he didn't do that.

Instead he asked another question, to wit: "Then how in the hell can you say you know he bit his ear off!?"

The witness said: "Because I saw him spit it out."

A good self-*******, as cheese-eaters are prone to do.

The problem with Nunberg is that, if you asked him the same question, all he could say would be: "I can't say that, and I didn't say that I saw (or heard) anything. Quit trying to put words in my mouth."

The fake news, as a matter of routine, draws wholly unwarranted subjective conclusions and then presents them to viewers as "fact.' Any semi-competent judge would rule strike such claims as "inadmissible." But Trump haters with TDS aint even semi-competent judges. On the contrary they are naive, gullible chumps who revel in confirmation bias.
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layman
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 09:51 pm
Speaking of relevant facts, and all, Mueller's corrupt sophists know just how to cater to the ignorance and prejudices of jurors by offering up fallacious "arguments," eh?

Quote:
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's lavish lifestyle was front-and-center during opening arguments in his fraud trial Tuesday afternoon, as prosecutors said he lied to put his money ahead of the law.

In making their opening remarks in the trial in Alexandria, Va., prosecutors spent more than twenty minutes outlining expensive purchases they said Manafort made with money he earned doing work for Ukrainian oligarchs and the Ukrainian government, including Yanukovych.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye told the jury that Manafort considered himself above the law as he funneled tens of millions of dollars through offshore accounts to pay for personal expenses such as a $21,000 watch and a $15,000 jacket made of ostrich.

"All of these charges boil down to one simple issue: that Paul Manafort lied," Asonye said. "Manafort placed himself and his money over the law."

But Judge T.S. Ellis III interjected to remind jurors that wealth alone is not criminal, and he rebuked Asonye in front of the jury for saying that the "evidence will show" Manafort's guilt.

"It isn't a crime to have a lot of money and be profligate in your spending," Ellis said.


Nice try, sophist.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 10:16 pm
Quote:
FISA documents reveal FBI collusion

Again, game over.
Quote:
Trump’s unorthodox presidency has been a great gift. It has exposed the corruption in our government, and the betrayal of the American public by so much of the press.

http://www.bostonherald.com/opinion/op_ed/2018/07/fisa_documents_reveal_fbi_collusion
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 10:35 pm
What a nice tie (snicker)
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 11:22 pm
@gungasnake,
What a smarmy asshole he is.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 11:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
What a smarmy asshole he is.

You prefer Obama with a fly on his face? You know what flies like?
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glitterbag
 
  1  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 11:45 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

What a smarmy asshole he is.


Trump or Gunga?
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 31 Jul, 2018 11:50 pm
@glitterbag,
"You know if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card," Trump said. "You need ID."
I only had to do it (but very seldom), when I bought cigarettes - is such common now?
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 12:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Total BS, Walter.
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roger
 
  6  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 01:20 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You mean, in Germany, anyone can just go out and buy groceries? Sounds kind of chaotic.
Lash
 
  0  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 02:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Wealthy people in this country are completely removed from ordinary experience. President George Bush made headlines by having no concept of the cost of a gallon of milk.

They live on a different planet.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 02:50 am
@Lash,
Who buys a gallon of milk? Asking politicians the cost of everyday items like a loaf of bread or a pint of milk is pretty standard during electioneering. Most of them look it up first.
Lash
 
  0  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 03:07 am
@izzythepush,
Regular people in America buy milk by the gallon. Having to ‘look it up’ proves the reporter’s point.
gungasnake
 
  -4  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 03:28 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Wealthy people in this country are completely removed from ordinary experience. President George Bush made headlines by having no concept of the cost of a gallon of milk.

They live on a different planet.


Donald Trump appears to be a glaring exception to that rule.
Setanta
 
  3  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 03:33 am
In fact, Pappy Bush got in trouble with the public because of a scanner, not the price of a gallon of milk. James Carville had a sign put up in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters (now watch Lash go rabid over the mention of Clinton) which read "The Economy Stupid" in order to focus everyone's attention on the campaign strategy. Reporters know about this but the Republicans were not able to exploit it to their advantage because they didn't want to talk about the economy. So one day, Pappy Bush waltzes into a super market, so that he can show that he's in touch with ordinary folks. The lady at the check out starts scanning the few items he had picked up, and Bush started running his mouth in amazement--he'd never seen a scanner before. I'm sure his handlers were just cringing and thinking "Shut up, just shut up." But he didn't shut uip, and soon the press were just having a field day with him, and "It's the economy, stupid" was soon all over the place--to Bush's detriment.
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Setanta
 
  1  
Wed 1 Aug, 2018 03:39 am
OK, I just fact-checked my last post. Bush's gaffe came at a grocers' convention when he expressed slack-jawed amazement at a scanner. The press took that and ran with it.
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