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Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They fail to understand because they haven't been taught properly. They think anything the govt does is socialism. When they don't teach it properly, it keeps them from knowing what it really is and then it creeps into our society. Pushing for Universal Health care is indeed a socialist desire.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:18 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Pushing for Universal Health care is indeed a socialist desire.
Why?
georgeob1
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:21 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
CBO Projects Obamacare Repeal Would Leave 32 Million Uninsured By 2026
TPM
Aside from the abysmal morality of this, there's a very real electoral consequence for the GOP if they head in this direction. Blue collar and older demographics will be hit by this along with the poor and middle class. Because of the tax structures the GOP wants and is promising, the wealthy and very wealthy will gain and they'll be the only ones who do.

Blatham's inferences here are badly misleading.

Presumably these 32 million folks are currently paying for coverage under the existing law, or alternatively, not participating at all, and paying the tax penalty or fine, or whatever the USSC prefers to call it. If the replacement plan does not provide for compulsory insurance ( a likelihood) some, presumably including all or most of those who currently do so, will choose to remain without insurance. That leaves only the folks currently paying for insurance under Obama Care.

It seems very likely to me that with some very likely liberalization of the current rules requiring state-by-state segmentation of health insurance policies, the increased competition, availability of options and customer selectivity that will be created, plus the removal of all the truly silly coverage mandates in the ACA , these folks will be able to find more appropriate coverage at a lower cost than they are paying now.

In any event, the alternative is the collapse of ACA, which will occur next year as losses and rates increase and more insurers withdraw from the exchanges.

Debra Law might call this "the fallacy of the meaningless or distorted comparison". However, I hesitate to speak for her.

blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:26 pm
This brave new Trumpian world
Quote:
A Republican politician in Connecticut who was caught on a security camera pinching the genitals of a woman who he was arguing with about politics was arrested and charged with sexual assault last week, The Westport Weston reported.

...The woman lamented that "it was a new world politically" given Donald Trump's election, to which von Keyserling allegedly replied "I love this new world, I no longer have to be politically correct," according to the arrest warrant obtained by the paper.

Von Keyserling also allegedly called the woman "a lazy, bloodsucking union
employee," according to the warrant.
TPM
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Why what?
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:28 pm
@blatham,
They claim there was video, I reserve judgement until the video is released. On your second point, if she is indeed a union employee, then she is a blood sucker. All govt employee's associated with a union are blood suckers, if that offends them, then get out of the blood sucking union.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:28 pm
@Baldimo,
Why is "pushing for Universal Health care [] indeed a socialist desire"?
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:30 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
In any event the alternative is the collapse of ACA which will occur next year as losses and rates increase and more insurers withdraw from the exchanges.

Here's the CBO projection (internal link at TPM)
Quote:
Repealing the Affordable Care Act would result in 32 million Americans losing their health insurance by 2026, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

The CBO projected that the 2015 bill passed by Congress to repeal Obamacare, which would have immediately eliminated the individual mandate penalizing those who do not purchase insurance plans, would have resulted in 18 million people losing their health insurance in the first new health plan year.


Your projection I've quoted up top comes from where and from who? Can you link to it?
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:31 pm
@Frugal1,
The usual frug bullsbhit. Support for trump continues to drop as he appoints more alligators for the swamp
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:37 pm
Here's a bit more on the CBO report (from Paul Waldman at WP)
Quote:
In this report, the CBO examined the “Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015,” which still forms the basis of the repeal effort. It covers what Republicans would be able to do under budget reconciliation, which only requires 50 votes in the Senate. The hitch, though, is that reconciliation bills can include only provisions that directly affect the budget. In this case that excludes parts of the ACA like the ban on insurers rejecting patients with preexisting conditions, since that doesn’t have a direct budgetary impact. So this isn’t an evaluation of the effects of everything Republicans want to do, but only of the first step in their repeal effort, the most significant parts of which are the repeal of the individual mandate, the end of subsidies to buy insurance, and the rollback of the expansion of Medicaid.

So how dramatic is the carnage? Here’s what repeal through reconciliation would produce...
Here for more
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:37 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Here's the CBO projection (internal link at TPM)
Quote:
Repealing the Affordable Care Act would result in 32 million Americans losing their health insurance by 2026, according to an analysis published Tuesday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

The CBO projected that the 2015 bill passed by Congress to repeal Obamacare, which would have immediately eliminated the individual mandate penalizing those who do not purchase insurance plans, would have resulted in 18 million people losing their health insurance in the first new health plan year.

How did they determine that the elimination of the mandate would result in exactly 18 million people choosing of their own free will not to buy insurance??? Clearly this is a projection, not a fact or data. There is a difference between "losing health coverage" and "choosing not to buy it"

blatham wrote:

Your projection I've quoted up top comes from where and from who? Can you link to it?
No link. I merely extrapolated from the cost increases and insurer abandonment levels that occurres this year. It looks like the CBO did something like that with their phony "uninsured projection".
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:40 pm
Man, did I ever get ripped-off!

I called the Clinton foundation and asked how much Hillary was charging for speeches.

They asked me how much I was willing to pay. I said $5.

The greedy bastards talked me into paying $10 for a 3 hour speech on my front porch on July 17.

I figured I could talk 20 people into paying $1 each to hear it and double my money.

Turns out, I can't even sell 1 ticket for 10 cents.

I done been played!
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:42 pm
And, rather relevant to all the above...
Quote:
Gingrich Calls for Abolition of the Congressional Budget Office So Trump Can Cook America’s Books
NYMag - Ed Kilgore
Well of course he does. He's one of the stars in The Night of the Living Sociopaths.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:44 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
No link. I merely extrapolated from the cost increases and insurer abandonment levels that occurres this year. It looks like the CBO did something like that with their phony "uninsured projection".

I hope you'll pardon me if I deem the CBO to have expertise, staffing and knowledge that exceeds what you by yourself have on offer.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:44 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Control the means and you control the people, once they get their hands on such a large part of the economy, they can convince people that all sorts of socialism is ok.

Take a look at Venezuela and the mess of things they have made down there. It took less than 20 years for that nation to crash and burn. I don't want the same thing going on here. Under Bernie we would be Venezuela in 20 years. I'll take Liberty over being cared for any day.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:48 pm
@Baldimo,
Well, we've got Universal Health care here since 1883 (and forerunners of it since the late medieval ages).
So my bad that I didn't look at the situation of Venezuela first
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:57 pm
This would be an interesting polling question to put to Republican voters:

"If there was no constitutional issue, which of these two leaders if in the presidency do you think would help America become both more free and more prosperous - Hillary Clinton or Vladimir Putin?
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 01:59 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
So my bad that I didn't look at the situation of Venezuela first

But that's very bad. Venezuela is the model. Not Israel, which has single payer. Not Australia. Not New Zealand. Not Canada. Not any nation in the free world (all of which have some form of socialized health care insurance/delivery). Go with Venezuela every time.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 02:10 pm
@blatham,
Actually, I really was blinkered: any former and/or present communist and socialist country has (had) Universal Health care - I know what happened to those countries!
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 17 Jan, 2017 02:19 pm
Hands-down winner of our heralded "Quote of the day award and no **** it is!"
Quote:
[Trump is] a grown man, and secondly he’s someone who has been involved with beauty contests for many years and has met the most beautiful women in the world. I find it hard to believe that he rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world.
Vox
Let it be known far and wide that the President of Russia and Trump buddy Vlad (the politically incorrect) Putin has no doubt that Russian female prostitutes are the best the world has to offer. (So far as I know, no personal preference for age range was given by him).

Just one more reason, if any was required, to see the following leaders as being all quite similar in important ways (and for our younger readers, let's utilize the smart pedagogical device - which of these is not like the others?)

Vladimir Putin
Silvio Berlusconi
Donald Trump
Pope Francis

 

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