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Lola
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:35 pm
@georgeob1,
Don't talk bad about Hillary. She is me. And I take it personally.
layman
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:39 pm
@layman,
"This is probably especially true of black people."

To expound on this thought a little, I kinda assume that most people know that, within the black community, concern for "political correctness" is virtually non-existent, but maybe some don't. It's not that blacks are insensitive to the feelings of others, it's just that they're pretty insensitive, period. I mean that in a positive way. They can give, and take, what whites might construe as an "insult," without ever blinking an eye. They don't get their "feelings hurt" easily, and they tend to say what's really on their mind.
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Lola
 
  3  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You can blame her, if you're into blaming. But I don't and I think your generalization can hardly be true since she has won the popular vote by a whooping margin.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:44 pm
@layman,
You said it better than I did: You nailed it.

Hillary lied by repeatedly making what appearded to be deliberately vague but accusatory statements "The Republican war on women and minorities", and by making very carefully qualified adffirmations "Nothing marked as classified was in my e mails" and "There was nothing that prohibited my use of a private server" (When she herself had issued policy statements applicable to all State Department Employees requiring the use of government systems for official e mail. I believe many sensed this, and I suspect it hurt her at the polls.

I think that the entirely unexpected (by the Democrat party mandarins), enthusiasm for Bernie Sanders in the primary was a likely related phemomenon. He projected an authenticity that was absent almost entirely in Hillary. Voters (rightly or wrongly) believed they knew what he stood for. I expect the same may be true of Donald Trump. That he winged it in saying there were likely "millions of illegal votes in the cities in which Democrats got such huge majorities" is a plausible speculation (particularly due to their steadfast resistence to Citizen ID checks in almost any form), and I think most readers took it as that. The reality is as yet unknown, so it won't survive a fact check, but the speculation is at least as good as the highly tenuous statistical speculations on which the ongoing recounts in WI, OH & PA are based. People aren't stupid and they recognise that too.

Again there are many forms of deceit, and some of the most pious defenders of "right' behaviour among us are also among the worst offenders.
giujohn
 
  -2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:48 pm
@Lola,
Lola wrote:

Don't talk bad about Hillary. She is me. And I take it personally.


Then you're in big trouble here sweetheart cuz as far as I and many others are concerned shes a crooked little liar who should be eating prison food.
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Lola
 
  3  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 06:59 pm
@georgeob1,
Y'all please. Your comments are so primitive and punitive and punishment lowers self esteem and low self esteem is the cause of depression and aggression. Stop chasing your tails.
layman
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:03 pm
@Lola,
Lola wrote:

Y'all please. Your comments are so primitive and punitive and punishment lowers self esteem and low self esteem is the cause of depression and aggression. Stop chasing your tails.


The more primitive, the more better.

Y'all can keep the pretentious, "sophisticated" posin, if ya want it. Just include me out.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:12 pm
@Lola,
Are you a psychiatrist? Psychologist? Self diagnosed?
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:13 pm
@Lola,
Lola wrote:

Y'all please. Your comments are so primitive and punitive and punishment lowers self esteem and low self esteem is the cause of depression and aggression. Stop chasing your tails.


Well I don't see anything at all primitive or indeed punishing in what I wrote. Indeed it is rather mild compared to stuff I read here about the opposition.

I certainly mean you no harm. Whose self esteem are you concerned about?
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Lola
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:13 pm
@RABEL222,
Rabel, A fact is as close as we can get to proof, but still testing. Who knows, maybe new technology or closer scrutiny will show us something we don't know. Proven facts are dogma. And dogma is boring in that there is nothing left to learn.
Lola
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:22 pm
@Lola,
I don't respond to provocation. Sorry Bernie, I didn't notice that this was your thread.
giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:26 pm
@Lola,
Lola wrote:

You can blame her, if you're into blaming. But I don't and I think your generalization can hardly be true since she has won the popular vote by a whooping margin.


Means nothing...that and a dollar will get you anything at the dollar store.
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giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:28 pm
@Lola,
Lola wrote:

Y'all please. Your comments are so primitive and punitive and punishment lowers self esteem and low self esteem is the cause of depression and aggression. Stop chasing your tails.


I live to chase tail!
reasoning logic
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:29 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
I live to chase tail!


I wonder if you may be related to my cat.
giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:33 pm
@Lola,
Keep posting...I'm diagnosing you.
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giujohn
 
  0  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:34 pm
@reasoning logic,
I've been compared to a tomcat at times
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:50 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
After reading 5 posters in a row telling the same lie its damn hard for me not to comment on the veracity of said posters.

If you think something said is untrue and if you wish to refute the claim(s) made, that's fine. Just don't allow yourself to be tempted to insult the speaker.
reasoning logic
 
  1  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 07:53 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
I've been compared to a tomcat at times


The only thing I remember being compared to was a horny toad.
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layman
 
  -1  
Sat 3 Dec, 2016 08:00 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Just don't allow yourself to be tempted to insult the speaker.


Heh, don't even be tempted to be tempted, eh? Other's might suggest that you "resist" temptation, but not you. YOU never even "allow" yourself to be "tempted" in the first place.

What's an "insult," Blathy? Can you explain that part?
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blatham
 
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Sat 3 Dec, 2016 08:03 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Finally there is the art of avoiding facts entirely and merely larding one's arguments up with the quoted opinions of others and presenting them as some kind of proof . That itself is often deceptive, particularly if the speaker is consistently selective in his sources of them.

I've explained this before. I'll do it one more time. I bring in other opinions or analyses to add other viewpoints and analyses. Many of these people writing are far better placed than I, through experience, education and intelligence and they expand our information and perspective.

After all, that is why we read and study. Am I selective? Sure. Aren't we all?
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