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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 06:25 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
I wouldn’t call them anything. Do we always have to call each other names?
Well, that depends on, I think.

For instance, here in Germany, tax- and business-related, the terms Ausländer ("foreigner"and Inländer ("national") are not based on nationality, but on the place of residence of a private individual. Thus, a German who lives permanently abroad is a foreigner; a foreigner who lives permanently in Germany is a "resident".

In tourism (but not only there), we differ between "EU-Ausländer" and non EU-foreigners.
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 06:30 am
I knew things weren't going to turn out well when that redneck Sheriff said: "You aint from around these here parts, is ya, boy?"
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Lash
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 06:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
It’s disappointing to see you defend disgusting behavior. Sometimes, you need to rise above the mob mentality.
Walter Hinteler
 
  6  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 06:42 am
@Lash,
Sorry to disappoint you. But, honestly, I never had anything to do with inventing words.
(In German, it's known since the minnesingers time, but I'm really not Walther von der Vogelweide, who called them "ūʒlender").
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hightor
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 06:50 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Do you need an invitation from an American to speak about American topics?

Actually, Lash, the only time I hear this sort of thing on a regular basis is from conservatives and Trump supporters on this site railing about posts from our neighbors to the north.
hightor
 
  6  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 07:04 am
Really interesting article about the "Free Speech" controversies which have been in the news and exploited for all they're worth:

How Social-Media Trolls Turned U.C. Berkeley Into a Free-Speech Circus

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(...)In the fall of 1964, left-wing students at U.C. Berkeley demanded the right to hand out antiwar literature on Sproul Plaza, the red brick agora at the center of the campus. The administration refused, citing rules against the use of school property for external organizing. The students’ struggle, which became known as the Free Speech Movement, consumed the university’s attention for much of the academic year, and made minor national celebrities of the movement’s undergraduate leaders (...)

(...)

In the 2017-18 academic year, Politico reported, an unusually large number of universities struggled “to balance their commitment to free speech—which has been challenged by alt-right supporters of President Donald Trump—with campus safety.” One expert on campus life called this “the No. 1 topic of the year.” Many college administrators were forced to devote their scarce time and money to securing on-campus venues for pugnacious right-wing speakers such as Ann Coulter and David Horowitz; arch-conservative policy entrepreneurs such as Heather Mac Donald and Charles Murray; and avowed racists such as Richard Spencer.

(...)

Yiannopoulos and many of his defenders like to call themselves free-speech absolutists, but this is hyperbole. No one actually believes that all forms of expression are protected by the First Amendment. False advertising, child pornography, blackmail—all are speech, all are illegal. You’re not allowed to shout “Fire!” in a crowded theatre, make a “true threat,” or incite imminent violence. These are all exceptions to the First Amendment that the Supreme Court has made—made up, really—over time. The boundaries can and do shift. In 1940, a New Hampshire man was jailed for calling a city marshal “a damned Fascist.” The Supreme Court upheld the conviction, ruling that the words were not protected by the First Amendment, because they were “fighting words,” which “by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace.”
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 07:15 am
@Lash,
Even our law is called so, to add to your disappointment (Act on the Residence, Economic Activity and Integration of Foreigners in the Federal Territory
In our town (like in any other), we've got an "Advisory Board for Foreigners" (committee), an elected political body which represents the interests of foreign citizens. And a Foreigners' Registration Office ("Ausländeramt"), for Germans, it's the Registration Office ("Einwohnermeldeamt")
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Olivier5
 
  7  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 08:04 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I wonder which side will kill someone first.

The nazis in Charlotteville some time back.
layman
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 08:31 am
@Olivier5,
I'm not defending that murderer, but I do oppose the concept of a "hate crime." What's interesting in his case is that he apparently said he drove into the crowd precisely because it was "diverse." So they charged him with a "hate crime." I guess the idea is that he hates everybody, eh?
izzythepush
 
  6  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 08:47 am
@Lash,
From an American's point of view Builder Walter and myself are all foreigners. There's nothing pejorative in that it's a fact.

What is pejorative is Layman's use of the term cheese eaters which you have no problem with.

For this foreigner's point of view it all looks rather hypocritical.
layman
 
  -4  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 08:48 am
@layman,
The motivations of a murderer (or other type of criminal) can always be considered when the sentence is imposed. There is no justification for punishing mere thoughts, as opposed to behaviors, as a separate crime. This NPR article says:

Quote:
Crucial to the federal hate crime charges, the indictment alleges that Fields targeted his victims because of their "actual and perceived race, color, religion, and national origin.


So, how do they try to show that? Says here that:

Quote:
It says Fields had demonstrated a history of racism and "expressed and promoted his belief that white people are superior to other races and peoples" through his social media accounts.


https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626486232/suspect-in-charlottesville-car-attack-pleads-not-guilty-to-hate-crimes-charges

They're not even trying to show that's why he targeted his victim. The woman he killed was white. Instead they claim that he "engaged in chants promoting or expressing white supremacist and other racist and anti-Semitic views."

In other words, his thoughts, his status as a white supremacist, are what's being punished, not his actual crimes. The concept of a "thought crime" should be viewed as a contradiction in terms.

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izzythepush
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:39 am
@Lash,
No, I have a problem with hypocrites who complain about every tiny thing normal people do while giving far right extremists a free pass.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:41 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
The nazis in Charlotteville some time back.

Steve Scalise was supposed to die, and others, that shooter came before Charlottesville by a month.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:44 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
tiny thing normal people

Yep, all the normal people I know would allow girls to be raped and pimped out and not say a thing. Right?
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blatham
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:44 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Actually, Lash, the only time I hear this sort of thing on a regular basis is from conservatives and Trump supporters on this site railing about posts from our neighbors to the north.
I'm sorry. Did someone just knock?
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:54 am
https://i.redd.it/mlbz5bi6oew01.jpg
Progressives and Democrats are "statists." Do not let them fool you.
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revelette1
 
  7  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 09:59 am
The sabotage of Obamacare continues.
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blatham
 
  6  
Sun 8 Jul, 2018 10:00 am
I'm optimistic, certainly hopeful, regarding Trump's upcoming time with Putin. Trump could really strike a solid blow against The Swamp if he asks his friend to provide as much information as possible that has been gathered by Russian intelligence on the Deep State agents working in the CIA, the FBI, the NSA and other such US institutions.

Trump must, of course, bypass his own US intel community for information because it is a nest of Deep State ideology and persons. He can get more dependable information from Russia.
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