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@coldjoint,

Yes, as I found it encouraging that most Americans favor immigrants being in the country, it didn't make any difference to me if they crossed legally or illegally. I guess I favor open border in the end. Anyway, I clicked on the link from the NYT piece to the Gallap poll which asked the question. The question worded thusly:

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How Question Wording Affects Views of Immigration

On the whole, do you think [immigration/LEGAL immigration] is a good thing or a bad thing for this country today?

Result was 75% for immigration and 84% legal immigration. (see link at the source,)Not a lot of difference.

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@revelette1,

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Result was 75% for immigration and 84% legal immigration. (see link at the source,)Not a lot of difference.

The difference is the word "illegal" does not appear. You are operating on an assumption and so is the poll.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Not a lot of difference.

There's a big-ass difference:

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2513#post-6666304

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@revelette1,

The fact remains that human beings cannot be treated like this. Even if you want to clamp down hard on illegal immigration it would be cheaper and easier just to get a government plane to daily fly the parents and children right back down to where they came from instead of sticking them into this stinking Hell we've devised for them.

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@coldjoint,

Do you think people who responded to poll are too stupid to differentiate between immigration/legal immigration? Apparently they asked two versions of the question.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/235793/record-high-americans-say-immigration-good-thing.aspx

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Not an answer. Check out the link, they asked the question two way, one with immigration and another with legal immigration. Moreover, most do not favor a decrease in immigration and do not think immigrants are a bad thing. The whole poll just blows the heck out of all Trump's ignorant mean rhetoric on immigration since he first began campaigning.

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@Blickers,

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Even if you want to clamp down hard on illegal immigration it would be cheaper and easier just to get a government plane to daily fly the parents and children right back down to where they came from instead of sticking them into this stinking Hell

Then support laws so we can do that.

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I don't know why that Virginia restaurant refused to serve Sarah Huckabee Sanders. She isn't gay or colored or a Muslim or Jewish, each of which is a real moral affront to upstanding Americans. Apparently, there was some weight given to her actual behavior. What's the world coming to?

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@revelette1,

Find a poll that directly asks "So you favor illegal immigration?" The answer will overwhelmingly be "no."

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@Blickers,

But they don't want to go back or else they never would have made the hard trek to get here in the first place. But yes, if this administration is going to continue to treat all illegal crossings as hardened criminals, it would easier to take them back to their home countries; just not very humane if where they live in like a war zone or some other situation.

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@revelette1,

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The whole poll just blows the heck out of all Trump's ignorant mean rhetoric on immigration since he first began campaigning.

Since Trump is president and every poll concerning his election was wrong why put any stock in them now? And his rhetoric was not mean, it was the truth. You cannot be a country without secure borders.

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@layman,

Perhaps it might, hard to say for 100% certainty. But if so, fine. Have a poll asking if they favor deporting all those who illegally enter the country and you would have a majority say no.

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By nearly a 2-to-1 margin, likely voters said any legalization of young-adult illegal immigrants should include an end to Chain Migration of extended family members beyond spouse and minor children.

Doesn't that work out to 66%? Does this poll count?

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But the new poll found that only 27% of likely midterm voters said annual legal immigration should remain at one million or more per year.

Or this poll?
https://www.numbersusa.com/blog/poll-most-voters-agree-trump-end-chain-migration-reduce-overall-immigration

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@revelette1,

People who come from war zone areas or places of great violence can apply for asylum, that is their legal right. Those people by definition are not illegal immigrants and should not be imprisoned nor flown back at least until after their asylum request is rejected, if it is rejected. If they must be held somewhere while the asylum decision is made there is no reason to separate the parents from the children.

If we send those who are not asylum seekers back to whatever country they came from in daily government plane flights, it would be far more humane and cheaper than this incredibly horrible situation that has emerged. Of course, we could always revert back to what existed before Trump instituted the zero-tolerance policy, which was not so terrible either. After all was said and done, there was no border crosssing crisis when Trump took office, illegal border crossing was declining actually.

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@layman,

When asked "How serious a problem is illegal immigration in the U.S. as a whole?," 58% said it was either "very serious" or "somewhat serious." 8% said it was "not a problem."

When asked: "Which policy do you prefer for how to handle families that are stopped for crossing the border into the United States without proper documentation?' only 19% favored the "catch and release" policy of Obama.

The other 81% favored detention of illegal immigrants, either in jail after being arrested, or in detention centers.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/rbrysksiud/econTabReport.pdf#page89

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@coldjoint,

I am not clicking the link unless I know where it is, last one, I can just tell it is biased. So no. Most hard line republicans/conservatives would be tough on immigration.

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@layman,

It is serious because Trump made it serious with his cancelling DACA and then now this Zero tolerance policy.

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

It is serious because Trump made it serious with his cancelling DACA and then now this Zero tolerance policy.

Wrong. Read it again:

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When asked: "Which policy do you prefer for how to handle families that are stopped for crossing the border into the United States without proper documentation?' only 19% favored the "catch and release" policy of Obama.

The other 81% favored detention of illegal immigrants, either in jail after being arrested, or in detention centers.

8% actually wanted the kids to be arrested, too, and held in juvenile detention centers until they could be criminally prosecuted.

America simply does NOT want illegal immigration, face it.

Edit: I originally overlooked the 17% percent who said they were "not sure." That still leaves 64% who are absolutely SURE that they don't want catch and release. Probably most of the 17% would agree if they had to make up their minds.

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@revelette1,

These Trumpets have their heads so far up Trumps back side their ears are covered and they can't hear a word you say.

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@layman,

Like this French teenager, who accidentally was jogging across border from Canada (without documents), who was arrested and taken to a Detention Center, 200 kilometres away, where she spent 15 days in a large room 100 “migrants” and 60 beds.

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