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layman
 
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Fri 22 Jun, 2018 11:39 pm
Brought to you by chain immigration:

Quote:
Suspect in NYC bike path killings invokes ‘Allah,’ defends ISIS in court

Sayfullo Saipov, 30, raised his hand to speak out immediately after U.S. District Judge Vernon S. Broderick set an Oct. 7, 2019, date for the Uzbek immigrant's trial.

He said he cared about "Allah" and the holy war being waged by the Islamic State group.

"So the Islamic State is not fighting for land, like some say, or like some say, for oil. They have one purpose, and they're fighting to impose Sharia (Islamic law) on Earth," he said.


Well, he did manage to impose Sharia on a shitload of people on a bike path, I guess. Death to infidels!
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 12:15 am
@layman,
It's what the Trump admin calls thie immoral policy. Repeal the policy. Simple
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 12:17 am
@oralloy,
Repeal the Trump admin policty whose impldementation caused the proble. Duh.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 12:39 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It's what the Trump admin calls thie immoral policy. Repeal the policy. Simple
The policy in question is "enforcing the law". What is immoral about that?
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 12:40 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Repeal the Trump admin policty whose impldementation caused the proble. Duh.
So just stop enforcing the law?
Blickers
 
  6  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 02:10 am
@oralloy,
No law says they have to be imprisoned. But there is a law that says they have the right to seek asylum.

Trump made a disaster out of a situation that was no big deal. Illegal immigration was going down, not up.
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oristarA
 
  -2  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 03:39 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

Repeal the Trump admin policty whose impldementation caused the proble. Duh.


Good idea. But your English spelling is worse than Trump.
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 06:38 am
@oristarA,
My typing is what is on a par with Trump, not my spelling.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 06:41 am
@oralloy,
No. Reform the screwed up laws surrounding immigration. That is what the vast majority of people have shown to want ever since W was president, and the conservatives have consistently blocked.
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MontereyJack
 
  1  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 06:44 am
@layman,
Your ancestors probably got here by chain migration. Just the facts. Look at how this country was peopled. Do a little history.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 06:52 am
And in today's episode of Voices From The Right
Quote:
Ryan and many other Republicans have become the president’s poodles, not because James Madison’s system has failed but because today’s abject careerists have failed to be worthy of it -
George Will

Will's opinion of the modern GOP is, if anything, too generous. But it's not stupid. His apparent certainty in the infallibility of "Madison's system" is exceedingly stupid.
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firefly
 
  3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 06:55 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
So just stop enforcing the law?

You just start enforcing it more sensibly--with agencies prepared, in advance, with the resources to handle the law's execution and consequences. You don't suddenly and impulsively impliment a policy that overwhelms agencies, creates chaos both organizationally and legally, and serves to display the absolute executive ineptitude of this administration.

There was no national emergency. This zero tolerance policy didn't have to be put in place with so little forethought, and coordination, and preparation. This is Trump's impulsivity and lack of judgment on full display. This is his idea of how to deter asylum seekers--by showing them he has no compunctions about ripping their children from their arms. This is how he plays tough guy and tries to emulate those dictators he admires. And, when he wants something, this toddler President wants it NOW. So now his ill-conceived and ill prepared for immigration policy has backfired on him big time, forced him to back off on the family separations (which, of course, exposed his lies that he had no control over this), and left the lives of thousands of immigrants and their already seperated children in a heart-rending, inhumane state of uncertainty--all over misdemeanor level offences.

And this horrible, tragic, mess, created solely by a staggeringly unqualified President, who is also trying to force the building of "A WALL" that no one else really thinks will be effective, will be costing taxpayers billions and taking that money from programs and projects that could be used to enhance American lives, including those to create jobs and improve quality of life. And, by doing this squandering, he's a much greater threat to our country than these desperate and vulnerable Central American refugees seeking asylum for themselves and their children.

Trump has no real regard for laws, he's attempted to evade and disregard them all his life. His political and personal self-serving interests have just created an entirely self-made mess for him, that he now tries frantically to blame on everyone else.
revelette1
 
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Sat 23 Jun, 2018 07:01 am
Quote:
ARNOLD, Md.—Getting Danny, a slight boy with a bowl cut and big brown eyes, became Nila Serrano’s mission one month ago, after a 5 a.m. phone call. 

An official saying he was with a U.S. Border Patrol “processing center” told her that authorities had detained her 27-year-old sister-in-law, Delsy Guadalupe “Lupe” Serrano Torres, and Lupe’s 8-year-old son Danny.

Mother and son had illegally crossed the U.S.-Mexico border near El Paso, Texas, following a trek from their native Honduras. Lupe requested asylum. The Border Patrol official said the two would be separated.

Ms. Serrano sat up.
“What?” she recalls saying. “Oh, my God.

For 30 days, Ms. Serrano and her husband, who live in suburban Maryland, have been struggling to gain temporary custody of Danny. They have navigated a bureaucratic thicket to get Ms. Serrano named Danny’s “sponsor”: A home inspection; fingerprinting for background checks; frequent phone calls with Danny’s social worker in New York, Lupe in Texas and relatives back in Honduras. Ms. Serrano said she is still waiting for approval.

“We have to get Danny,” Ms. Serrano said in an interview Wednesday evening with The Wall Street Journal at her ranch-style home.

Chaos is unfolding far beyond Texas in the fallout from the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance” policy that took more than 2,300 children from adults they accompanied across the southern border. Minors are living in government facilities or with foster families across the country.

U.S.-based relatives are enmeshed in lengthy vetting processes to take in their own loved ones.

Even after President Donald Trump’s executive order Wednesday ending the separation policy, the path to reunification remains elusive for families.

The odyssey to help Danny and Lupe is heaping financial and logistical strain on Ms. Serrano, an American of Colombian descent who grew up in Michigan, and her husband, Elmer, a permanent U.S. resident who immigrated from Honduras. They are paying for a lawyer in Texas to represent Lupe.

“We’re going to do everything we can,” said Ms. Serrano, who handles order fulfillment for a chemical firm while her husband works for a moving company. The couple’s 4-year-old son, Nico, and her 17-year-old son live with them.

The family’s ties stretch to a small town in Honduras, home to Mr. Serrano’s family, including—until recently—his younger sister Lupe, a nurse.
Lupe had been receiving death threats from her husband—Danny’s stepfather—after she began to let Danny’s birth father back into their life, according to Maria Angela Torres, Lupe’s mother.

“He said that if she got together with the father of the boy again, he would kill her,” Ms. Torres said by phone from Honduras. Ms. Serrano said Lupe had gone to the police but nothing was done.

Lupe decided to flee to the U.S., Ms. Torres said.

Ms. Torres said she last spoke with her daughter before she crossed from Mexico into the U.S.

During the predawn call from the Border Patrol, Ms. Serrano said she would immediately fly to Texas and pick up Danny.

“No, things are different now, ma’am,” she said the official told her. “I was shocked,” she said.

Ms. Serrano said the official told her to expect a call in three days. No call came, so she spent two days calling nearly a dozen different numbers for immigration authorities. Rarely could she reach anyone, and voice mailboxes were full.

On May 27, a social worker called her. Danny had been put on a plane and sent 2,100 miles north to New York. Lupe remained in Texas at an El Paso detention center.

Ms. Serrano eventually learned that Danny, who speaks no English, was placed with a foster family in Manhattan—with whom she isn’t allowed contact—that houses three other immigrant boys, including two from Honduras. He had been given clothes and a backpack; he goes to school, sleeps in his own bed and has visited a park.

“Danny is living with strangers,” she said.

She then discovered the extensive vetting process she would have to go through an to become his sponsor and caretaker.

Government procedures are in place to make sure unaccompanied minors who cross the border go to safe homes, but the process was meant for minors who are typically teenagers and alone, said Wendy Young, the president of Kids in Need of Defense, a legal-aid organization. Young children who came with their parents, she said, were not placed into “the system.”

“We’re in new territory here,” she said.

Danny was one of hundreds of children winding up in New York, many with foster families and under the care of the nonprofit Cayuga Centers. The organization didn’t respond to a request for comment.

A Cayuga social worker arranged for Danny to have weekly supervised video chats with Ms. Serrano from a Cayuga facility.

“He gets real quiet,” Ms. Serrano said. “We just have to probe him: ‘Have you eaten? Do you have enough clothes?’ ”

He has been able to speak with his mother by phone, Ms. Serrano said. He seems confused and wonders when he can give his mother the pictures he draws for her.

In early June, Ms. Serrano traveled for fingerprinting at a center run by a Catholic Charities of Baltimore. A week later her husband did the same, only this time the center told him that, under a new U.S. policy, his prints also would go to the Department of Homeland Security for purposes of verifying immigration status. That same day, a representative from a nonprofit agency conducted an inspection of Ms. Serrano’s home as part of the process to certify her as a caretaker.

She shared little of her ordeal, confiding in only one co-worker. The topic of immigration was too heated. “You just never know,” she said.

On Wednesday, during a college visit with her teenage son, she had missed two calls from her husband and two calls from Lupe.

It was good news.

U.S. immigration officials had agreed to release Lupe on a $2,500 bond. Lupe’s lawyer told her that a “deportation officer” would call with details on getting Lupe to Maryland, where her immigration case would be heard.

Ms. Serrano and her husband began debating whether to tell Danny the news right away. They had no idea when Lupe might get out, when he might be reunited with them in Maryland—or which would come first.

Ms. Serrano said she spent Thursday on the phone trying to reach the right place at ICE in Baltimore to pay the bond—and was still waiting for a callback Thursday afternoon.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services didn’t respond to a request for comment on how released detainees would be reunited with minors.

Late Thursday, Ms. Serrano said she had spoken with Lupe, who said she had reached Danny and told him that they both would be released—though she couldn’t say exactly when.

“He said ‘Thank God…that he’s been praying that he could see her,’” Ms. Serrano said Lupe told her.

Ms. Serrano has been glued to her phone, ready to race to New York and wrap her arms around Danny.

“I don’t care if it’s in the middle of the night,” she said. “I’m going.”


WSJ
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revelette1
 
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Sat 23 Jun, 2018 07:48 am
Trump came away from NK really admiring the way NK's feel about their leader, you can tell he wishes he was a dictator instead of a democracy with the constitution and the bill of rights; such as a free press.


Quote:
Steve Brush
@SteveBruskCNN
The President of the United States in interview with "Huckabee" on his summit with King Jong Un says "we came to a wonderful agreement. It’s a shame that the fake news covers it the way they do it. Honestly, it’s really, it’s almost treasonous you want to know the truth. "


Twitter


Interview Saturday on TBN
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 07:50 am
PS... I forgot to mention in my post above that the title of George Will's column today is...
Quote:
Vote against the GOP this November
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Setanta
 
  4  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 07:55 am
@firefly,
What I find interesting is that during the Ray-gun administration, the Republicans worked with the Democrats (who then controlled the Congress) to come up with a policy, underpinned by law rather than just executive order (which can easily be overturned by legislation) to address the flood of immigrants across the border. That was the IRCA of 1986--the Immigration Reform and Control Act. (There has been more than one IRCA, that was the 1986 iteration, and it has been very successful.) To this day, as a result of that act, employers are required to complete a form attesting to the right of newly hired workers to employment with DoJ Form I-9. It was estimated that four million illegal immigrants would take advantage of the amnesty offered--about 3,300,000 eventually did so, and according to studies done thereafter, crime, primarily property crime, declined by a few percentage point.

It was intended by Congress and Ray-gun himself that the act would be reformed as an on-going process. This did not happen. It was not until 2012 that any substantive legislation was passed to continue the reform process. Of course, the petty and childish, and continuing Republican obstruction in Congress has not helped the process.

Finally, there is a factor which is almost never talked about. Americans, by and large, don't do stoop labor. Therefore, labor recruiters have always looked for people who will. At first it was the Chinese. But the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 put an end to the immigration of Chinese laborers. Labor recruiters then turned to the Japanese. The now liberal west coast became a hot bed of racial prejudice with the rise of the Yellow Peril meme--but the labor in farm fields and orchards had to be done by somebody, so Congress did not repeat the disaster of the Chinese Exclusion Act. The Second World War ended Japanese immigration (temporarily) for obvious reasons. Earl Warren, excoriated by right wing nutbags in the 1950s and -60s, in fact was the mover behind the internment of Japanese-Americans--most of whom were native-born citizens--first as California Attorney General and then as the Governor of California.

That's why Spanish-speaking immigrants, legal and illegal became the workers of choice for labor recruiters. No matter what hand wringing or ranting the right wing nutbags do, the labor of the legal and illegal immigrants is wanted, and Americans will continue to expect cheap salads and apples at the supermarket. They will expect this even if they voted for Plump and rant about the illegals coming across the border. The farm labor benefits corporations who spend a lot of money to buy Congressmen, and that's a major reason why reform is so halting and lame on this issue. The fat boy in the White House is making matters worse, and he's ranting about the Democrats because his own party won't back him up in his idiocy. That's because many of them get campaign financing from people whose businesses benefit from immigrant labor. This entire dog and pony show is blatant political pandering to the lowest common denominator in electoral politics by the worst president this country had endured since Warren Harding.
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revelette1
 
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Sat 23 Jun, 2018 08:45 am
Quote:
75 Percent of Americans Say Immigration Is Good for Country, Poll Finds

Most Americans oppose the separation of immigrant families at the border, and a larger share of people than at any point since 2001 say immigration is good for the nation.


NYT
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 09:42 am
@revelette1,
The issue here is not immigration, but rather mass illegal entry into the country, and a decades long pattern of non enforcement of existing law by previous administrations. Associated with it is the illegal import of drugs, sometimes organized by the same cartels doing both.

We do indeed need it both for the reasons listed above by several posters, and also based on our own demographics. However, the systematic and often arbitrary enforcement or non enforcement of a major body of our laws threatens both all law enforcement and our constitution, as it involves illegal actions by the executive power.

The posturing and hyper indignation we are seeing is a deceitful and hypocritical tactic to achieve partisan political goals on the part of Democrats and their supporters. Moreover it ignores the obvious fact that the last Democrat Administration took exactly the same actions a few years ago. Oddly there was no protest then.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 10:09 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
75 Percent of Americans Say Immigration Is Good for Country,

Legal immigration. Why leave that part out?
layman
 
  -3  
Sat 23 Jun, 2018 10:09 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Most voters blame the parents of the separated children at the border for the latest illegal immigration crisis, not the federal government. When families are arrested and separated after attempting to enter the United States illegally, 54% of Likely U.S. Voters say the parents are more to blame for breaking the law.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that just 37% of Likely U.S. Voters favor the community they live in declaring itself a sanctuary community, while 50% oppose it.

Most voters think the government should stop the caravan of Central Americans now at the Mexican border from entering the United States. Even more say failing to stop them will lead to more illegal immigration.

54% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the U.S. government should stop them all from entering. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree and say the government should allow them to enter this country temporarily until each of their cases can be individually reviewed.

Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf recently warned illegal immigrants in her city of a pending crackdown by federal immigration authorities, and federal officials now say that a number of violent criminal aliens escaped capture and deportation as a result. 47% of Likely U.S. Voters think the U.S. Justice Department should seek obstruction of justice charges against the mayor for notifying illegal immigrants...


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/

 

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