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Ragman
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:31 pm
@gungasnake,
Such an effective counter-debate there.
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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:37 pm
@coldjoint,
Have you ever taken a Child Psych course? The deliterious effects of separating young children from parents is very well documented.

Try educating yourself more, and verbalizing meaningless, uninformed gibberish less.

And get with reality--Trump just admitted the practice of separation was wrong and harmful---that's why he is now trying to look like a hero by stopping it.
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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:52 pm
@coldjoint,
http://www.carlswebgraphics.com/mice-images/laughing-mouse.gif

Good grief, you don't even have the good sense to stop parading your ignorance.

You are uninformed and poorly educated on this topic. Period.
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BTW, the slurs about my education are not necessary.

They are necessary because your very obvious ignorance is blinding you to a rational consideration of the topic. I'm not lying, far from it. I know what I'm talking about, you don't. The detrimental effects of separating children from parents have been well documented in Psychology, Psychiatry, and Pediatrics, for decades, and decades and decades and decades.

If you were willing to learn, I'd have more sympathy for you. Enjoy your ignorance and making a fool of yourself.
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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:05 pm
@coldjoint,
http://www.carlswebgraphics.com/mice-images/laughing-mouse.gif

You're pathetic.

And you lost the argument because Trump already backtracked on the separation policy. You certainly aren't a graceful loser.

http://www.carlswebgraphics.com/mice-images/laughing-mouse.gif
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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:12 pm
@coldjoint,
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Nothing to say, huh?


http://www.carlswebgraphics.com/mice-images/laughing-mouse.gif

A picture is worth a thousand words...I think you are a laughing stock.
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:21 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Trump already backtracked on the separation policy


not really

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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:23 pm
New York civil suit against Trump could be a federal case
By The Editorial Board
June 19, 2018

They say no good deed goes unpunished.

But what if the deeds weren’t good at all?

The New York attorney general’s office is no stranger to going after charities that have behaved badly. But current Attorney General Barbara Underwood’s extensive, extraordinary lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation brings the meaning of self-dealing to a new level.

If the suit’s allegations prove true — and the evidence cited is strong — the foundation existed as little more than Trump’s personal, professional and political piggy bank.

Underwood’s allegations of flagrant disregard for state and federal laws would be stupefying with respect to any charity, but are particularly disturbing given the foundation’s connections to the president and his campaign. In the filing, Trump’s foundation is described as “an empty shell” without a functioning board of directors since at least 1999. It alleges that Trump used his foundation to settle legal claims against his for-profit businesses, including one with a golfer who sought winnings for making a hole-in-one at Trump National Golf Club in Westchester.

The more alarming accusations claim the foundation engaged in political activities connected to and coordinated with Trump’s presidential campaign. If proved, that’s a clear violation of federal election law, as well as New York’s election law.

Remember Trump’s hyped fundraiser for veterans in Iowa before that state’s 2016 caucuses? In the days after the event, the lawsuit alleges, campaign staff, including then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, directed how and when charitable contributions from the foundation to veterans charities would be made. Large checks bearing the foundation’s name were presented at campaign rallies.

In a world where Trump’s many business interests are intertwined with his presidency, where his fixer, Michael Cohen, is accused of making payments through a shell company to hush a porn star who says she had an affair with Trump, and where Trump’s children’s business dealings have come under fire, this monkey business with his charitable foundation might seem like just another day at the office. It’s not.

In any other presidency, at any other time, these accusations would be enormously damaging. But this presidency is already overtaken by other controversies. Still, the accusations made against Trump and his foundation won’t be swept aside.

Trump has called the case “ridiculous” and promised not to settle. The state’s case certainly will play out for all to see, but it mustn’t stop there. Underwood made referrals to both the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission, and sent her complaint to the U.S. Department of Justice’s criminal division. There’s enough evidence in the referrals alone to generate further investigation to see whether a federal civil or criminal case is appropriate and whether a new independent counsel should be appointed.

After all, even real estate developer Trump would know that if the foundation is cracked, and all that’s left is an empty shell, the house of self-dealing probably won’t stand for long. — The editorial board
https://www.newsday.com/opinion/editorial/trump-foundation-1.19308377

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oralloy
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:35 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:
What bill was presented Oralloy?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s3091 (Senate, Ted Cruz)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr6134 (House, Tea Party)
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr6136 (House, Leadership)
oralloy
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 02:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I've never understood this argument - I thought, the Republicans have a majority in both houses. No?
They don't have the 60% necessary to end a filibuster. They also probably don't have the support of all Republicans, so will probably need support from moderate Democrats to even reach 50%.
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maporsche
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 03:23 pm
@oralloy,
Those look like bills.

What were the vote totals? Who voted for what?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 04:00 pm
The only rational and virtuous position to take is that it's all bullshit coming from both sides.
neptuneblue
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 05:00 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The only rational and virtuous position to take is that it's all bullshit coming from both sides.


A voice of reason...
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jcboy
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 05:09 pm
You know what's really sweet, the sudden silence from tRumpers who defended family separation. The silence is deafening! They were so smug 24 hours ago, they're already regrouping to praise how he fixed this decades old problem created by his predecessors. Razz
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