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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:43 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
So ???? And that tells us what?

It tells me anyone who opposes Trump or the GOP has job security in the MSM.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:46 pm
@georgeob1,
Duh, it’s not exactly new.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:50 pm
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trumps-ploy

thanks TKO

Quote:
The President says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. The actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. According to The New York Times, the President will sign an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days (technically what’s currently happening isn’t detention). It straight up violates that order. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:52 pm
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cohen-resigns-committe-rnc

Quote:
Michael Cohen, the longtime lawyer and fixer for President Donald Trump, resigned from his position on the Republican National Committee’s finance arm, ABC News reported Wednesday.

According to sources close to the RNC and a copy of the letter obtained by ABC, Cohen said special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe and the investigation into his financial dealings were preventing him from doing the work he needed to do as deputy finance chair of the finance committee.

“This important role requires the full time attention and dedication of each member. Given the ongoing Mueller and SDNY investigations, that simply is impossible for me to do,” he reportedly wrote in the letter addressed to RNC chair Ronna McDaniel.

In the letter, Cohen also attempted to detach himself from Trump for the first time, reportedly calling the separation of families at the U.S. border “heart wrenching.”‘

“As the son of a Polish holocaust survivor, the images and sounds of this family separation policy is heart wrenching,” Cohen wrote, according to ABC. “While I strongly support measures that will secure our porous borders, children should never be used as bargaining chips.”

Just this week, Cohen hired a new lawyer to represent him in the Southern District of New York’s criminal probe into Cohen’s potential finance crimes. The FBI raided Cohen’s home, hotel and office in April, obtaining financial and business documents, including records related to a $130,000 payment he made to porn actress Stormy Daniels just before the 2016 election.

Cohen has not yet been charged of any crimes, but is reportedly concerned that he will be arrested soon.


kind of a 3-fer
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:54 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Cohen has not yet been charged of any crimes, but is reportedly concerned that he will be arrested soon.

OLD NEWS. Have you see Firefly?
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:56 pm
anyone know someone who wants to make hot dogs or do landscaping in Ohio?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/immigration-raid-ohio-meatpacking-plant-fresh-mark
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maporsche
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:56 pm
@ehBeth,
I heard that these family cases will be expedited and given priority so that they are decided within the 20 day window.

It’s also possible (but unlikely) that after 20 days they will be released on bail.
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firefly
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:57 pm
@ehBeth,
Of course, Trump could easily resolve the situation by revoking his zero tolerance policy directive. He created it, he can revoke it. It is that policy that created the current family separation crisis.
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 12:59 pm
@firefly,
He could - but this way he can try to make the optics work - and keep things the same.

We'll know in about a month.
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georgeob1
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:02 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

If Trump signs some kind of executive order to keep future families from being separated for the whole time their case is pending, that is a step in the right direction. But far short of fixing the problem. It is the zero tolerance policy of treated first time boarder crossers as criminals that is the number one problem. This will lead to a lot more (more than already) children being permanently separated from their families. Not to mention Sessions policy of asylum seekers who are denied asylum despite coming from gang violence akin to war zones being permanently separated from their families. Last, what about the families who have already been deported during this zero tolerance law? The executive order will not help that in the least.


You appear to be forgetting that the zero tolerance bit above refers to the enforcement of existing law. Trump has repeatedly called on the Congress to address the, now several decades long, failure to either enforce or amend our immigration law. This unsatisfactory and continuing situation constitutes an enduring and fundamental threat to our system of law and government, which every president swears to protect.

Trump has forcefully addressed exactly that issue, and called on the Congress to finally address revised legislation. The Republican leadership in the Congress has produced several draft laws to do just that, though their fate remains uncertain. Democrat Senate leaders have already announced they will oppose any new legislation. This clearly confirms the cynicism of their pretended concern for immigrant children, and their effort to simply exploit any action by our elected President to enforce and amend existing law - in accordance with his constitutional duty - to further their partisan political aims.

Venal politicians, including our last three Presidents and the members and leaders of the Congress over that period have avoided their responsibilities in this area because of the perceived political risks involved. Obama continued that pattern and created such issues as DACA by arbitrary executive action ("I have a Pen and a phone...") which was a patently unconstitutional usurpation of Legislative authority and responsibility, furthering the ability of responsible legislators to evade issues that are merely difficult for them to face. This is not leadership.

In a rare responsible executive action, the sainted Obama himself resumed the separate internment of minor children precisely to discourage immigrants and asylum seekers from illegal entry. Oddly none of you complained about that.
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firefly
 
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Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:11 pm
@coldjoint,
Particularly for young children, it is the separation from parents that can generate lasting, even lifelong, negative consequences for a child's development and functioning.

There is a huge body of historical findings and research on this topic in the literature of Psychology, Psychiatry, and Pediatrics.

Are you in such a coccoon that you haven't heard about the thousands of professionals in those fields who have been protesting Trump's separation policy because of the well documented harmful effects of such separations?

And there are plenty of stories of abuse perpetrated on children housed in
these government internment/detention camps, but that is a different matter.
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:11 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
He's been saying for days that this needs to be fixed with legislation, but the Democrats have blocked that legislation and insisted that Trump do it with an executive order. The Democrats are the only ones who are picking a fight with the courts here.
I've never understood this argument - I thought, the Republicans have a majority in both houses. No?
maporsche
 
  6  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:12 pm
@oralloy,
What bill was presented Oralloy?

I must have missed that vote that the REPUBLICAN MAJORITY put forth.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:21 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
Particularly for young children, it is the separation from parents that can generate lasting, even lifelong, negative consequences for a child's development and functioning.

Bullshit. You said hideous abuse, that just does not qualify. Now admit the hyperbole from you is just plain stupid, besides an obvious lie.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:23 pm
@firefly,
dlowan has been posting elsewhere about this at some length. she works with children who suffer from the results of this type of separation. it's truly horrifying.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
I thought, the Republicans have a majority in both houses. No?

RINO'S, Wally. Google it.
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firefly
 
  5  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 01:27 pm
@coldjoint,
Sorry, you are just poorly educated. This topic is well documented. And it is something covered in every Child Psych course.

And Trump just pulled the rug out from under your argument by admitting the separations were harmful for the children--that is why he will stop the practice.

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