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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:25 am
https://constitution.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Thoughts-and-Prayers-600-LA.jpg
Quote:
Liberals move seamlessly from one outrage campaign to the next with their perpetual outrage looking for any way to attack President Trump and his administration.

https://constitution.com/thoughts-and-prayers/
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:30 am
Quote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The House of Representatives will vote on Thursday on immigration legislation designed to end the U.S. government’s practice of separating families who cross the U.S. border illegally, House Speaker Paul Ryan said.
[...]
“Tomorrow the House will vote on legislation to keep families together,” Ryan told reporters on Wednesday. “Under this bill, when people are being prosecuted for illegally crossing the border, families will remain together under DHS (Department of Homeland Security) custody throughout the length of their legal proceedings.”

The House is considering two bills.
... ... ...
reuters
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layman
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:32 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Trump seems about to acknowledge, in effect, that he does have unilateral control over this separation crisis. He has indicated that, in a little while, he will be "signing something...to keep families together."

An Executive Order appears to be in the works.


No, actually he's admitting that he doesn't have "unilateral control." He says his action is "somewhat preemptive," but he's doing it because legislation ratifying it has been promised. In this particular case, good for him.

Fox News wrote:
Sources told Fox News that such an executive action by Trump could be seen to run afoul of the 1997 order and would likely draw a lawsuit. But the White House wants to try to take steps to uphold the enforcement of the law, while at the same time lessening the trauma of children being separated from their parents.

"I’ll be signing something in a little while [to keep families together]," he said, calling the move "somewhat preemptive" and stressing it would "be matched by legislation."


He's just speeding up the legislation. He admits that he doesn't really have the authority to do it, but just figures "no harm, no foul." No one will sue him, because the whole issue will be moot before that can happen.



firefly
 
  5  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:40 am
@layman,
This is not about speeding up legislation. 😂

Trump is trying to save his own political ass after creating a hughly unpopular zero tolerance policy that has led to the separation of 2300 children since he instituted it.

He created this mess, he's trying to find a way out.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:41 am
Quote:
Immigrant Children? What About American Children?
The American public needs to stop selective outrage.

Quote:
It seems as if overnight the world has been consumed with a new movement calling for an end to the separation of immigrant children from their mothers at the border, but have we forgotten our own children?

Every year thousands of American women, U.S. citizens, born and raised on this land, have been forcefully separated from their children and sent off to various prisons throughout the nation while their children fall under the jurisdiction of government agencies like the Department of Family and Children Services. In some cases, the women are lucky enough to have family that will take care of their children until they complete their prison terms, but what about American women who don’t have families willing to assume this responsibility?

Sometimes, women serving long prison sentences have their children adopted out, and the records are sealed. This leaves mothers, once released from prison, at the start of a long and often unsuccessful journey to find their own flesh and blood. Where is the outrage over these children being separated from their mothers?

This article is authored by MLK's niece.
https://stream.org/immigrant-children-versus-american-children/
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:42 am
@firefly,
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44303556

reality check

Quote:
The claim: US President Donald Trump says the Democrats created a law that separates children from parents who cross the US-Mexico border illegally.

Verdict: There is no law on separating children from parents at the border, but rather a policy introduced recently by the Trump administration.

The policy has led to 2,342 children being separated from families at the US Southwest border between 5 May and 9 June.

Changes under Mr Trump's Zero-Tolerance Policy include expediting the process to determine eligibility to remain, promptly removing those who are denied, and criminally prosecuting migrants for first-time border offences, which were previously treated as civil violations.

Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents. But in addition to removing children from apprehended illegal migrants, children have been separated from asylum-seekers.

Seeking asylum is not illegal.



he broke
he can try to fix it

too late for a number of those children
layman
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:46 am
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

Trump is trying to save his own political ass after creating a hughly unpopular zero tolerance policy that has led to the separation of 2300 children sunce he instituted it.


Yeah, and you're obviously very pissed off that he's helping these kids. The Democrats have NEVER wanted a solution to the problem. They just want something to bitch about that they think will get them votes. They don't really give a rat's ass about those kids. Trump does.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:46 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
reality check

Not from the land of the dress up leader. Reality is not in his closet.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:51 am
Quote:
Mueller Has Strzok Out

Quote:
The toxic origins of the Mueller probe are impossible to expunge. His report will represent nothing more than the fulfillment of the “insurance policy” Strzok and his mistress discussed in Andrew McCabe’s office a few doors down from Comey’s — a plot to impeach Trump via harassing investigation if they couldn’t defeat him at the ballot box.

“TURN IT ON, TURN IT ON!!! THE DOUCHEBAGS ARE ABOUT TO COME OUT,” Strzok texted his mistress while watching the Republican convention, a week or so before he began the counterintelligence probe. A month or so into the probe, he was whining to her about a trip to Walmart in southern Virginia, where he could “SMELL the Trump support.”

The odor he gives off is unmistakable too — and its rancidity will suffuse every page of Mueller’s report

Trump 1 Deep State 0
https://spectator.org/mueller-has-strzok-out/
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firefly
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:51 am
@layman,
If you think Trump is "helping those kids," you must be delusional.

In fact, the administration has been refusing to reveal exactly where the youngest children, and the female children, are being housed, and to allow members of Congress to view these facilities.

What are they trying to hide, if they are "helping those kids".?
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:54 am
@firefly,
Quote:
If you think Trump is "helping those kids," you must be delusional.

If you think Democrats really care about those kids you are delusional. They all should have been aborted, right?
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 10:57 am
You're not going to persuade Trump and his supporters by appealing to their better instincts because they have none.

You have to frame it in terms they appreciate. If migrants' children are locked up in detention centres they can't be shot by NRA members when they next target a school.

Now that's something they can support.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:05 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
they can't be shot by NRA members when they next target a school.

Now you can figure out a way young girls will not be raped by Muslims in the UK. Please let us know what you come up with.
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revelette1
 
  5  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:09 am
If Trump signs some kind of executive order to keep future families from being separated for the whole time their case is pending, that is a step in the right direction. But far short of fixing the problem. It is the zero tolerance policy of treated first time boarder crossers as criminals that is the number one problem. This will lead to a lot more (more than already) children being permanently separated from their families. Not to mention Sessions policy of asylum seekers who are denied asylum despite coming from gang violence akin to war zones being permanently separated from their families. Last, what about the families who have already been deported during this zero tolerance law? The executive order will not help that in the least.
maporsche
 
  5  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:11 am
HERE WE GO.....

Yesterday: "Trump can't do anything to fix this. His hands are tied. It's not his fault. He didn't change anything."

Today: "Trump is going to fix this because he kicks ass!"
firefly
 
  6  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:13 am
@maporsche,
You can get whiplash trying to follow them manipulating the spin. 😁
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:24 am
Quote:
‘DREAMERS’ Caught Trafficking Methamphetamine In North Carolina

Here is a story from the blocked site Illegal Alien Crime Report. The site also has a list of all illegal alien crime in 2018. That must be why it is being blocked. Now Facebook is in on it.

Why censor this news? Is that not admitting the huge problem this is? It sure is.

http://southernnation.org/2018/06/dreamers-caught-trafficking-methamphetamine-in-north-carolina/
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layman
 
  -2  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:27 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
Because the children of prosecuted migrants are not charged with any crime, they are not permitted to be jailed with their parents.


Does the venerable BBC have any source for that, I wonder? I've read in multiple places that this is not true.

For one thing, those parents aren't being put "in jail." But it is true that, even with detention centers, US law only permits children to remain in detention centers for a maximum of 20 days. After that, they MUST be shipped out, thanks to the ACLU. Maybe that's what BBC is talking about, but until that time children are being kept with their parents.

Trump can't (legally) solve this (though he appears to be trying to bend the law, to get it done anyway). A legislative solution is required, and is apparently forthcoming. At least is would be if Schumer and his buddies weren't refusing to co-operate.

This whole BBC article, which you call a "reality check" seems to be chock-full of the same misleading reporting and "disinformation" being disseminated by the fake news here, truth be told.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:27 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Last, what about the families who have already been deported during this zero tolerance law? The executive order will not help that in the least.

Are we supposed to bring them back? Seriously, what the Hell is wrong with you?
ehBeth
 
  4  
Wed 20 Jun, 2018 11:28 am
@maporsche,
https://media0.giphy.com/media/tDPPIkgSOultS/giphy.gif
 

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