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layman
 
  0  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 07:28 pm
I mean, like, suppose you came home tired, after work one night, only to find 20-30 uninvited "friends" at your crib, all demanding dinner. We are ya gunna do?

I know what I would do.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 07:45 pm
@nimh,
Quote:
vast escalation under Trump

Another way of saying the law is being enforced.

And the excuse is not needed. One more time, no one asked these people to come.

This should serve as a deterrent that this constant whining is trying hard to diminish. Emotions used like weapons when facts should be weighed. And PC and white guilt is what the elites that want cheap labor and our guns want to use to turn the tables.

Not going to work. Do not fall for their crap.
layman
 
  -1  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 08:01 pm
@nimh,
nimh wrote:
Isn't unlawfully entering the country merely a misdemeanour, or is this outdated: https://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html ?


"Merely?" If you say so. It can get you 6 months, if it's your first illegal entry. Try it again, and you'll be talkin felony, though. Especially if you committed crimes when you were here before:

Quote:
The law adds penalties for reentry (or attempted reentry) in cases where the person had been convicted of certain types of crimes and thus removed (deported) from the U.S., as follows:

(1) People removed for a conviction of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.

(2) People removed for a conviction of an aggravated felony shall be fined, imprisoned for up to 20 years, or both.

(3) People who were excluded or removed from the United States for security reasons shall be fined, and imprisoned for up to ten years, which sentence shall not run concurrently with any other sentence.

(4) Nonviolent offenders who were removed from the United States before their prison sentence was up shall be fined, imprisoned for up to ten years, or both.


http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html
layman
 
  -1  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 08:14 pm
@layman,
I constantly read stories of illegals commiting murder, rape, child molestion, vehicular homicide, etc., after having previously been deported 10-15 times, which shows you just how lax border control and law enforcement has been in the past.

Quote:
He is the world’s most persistent illegal immigrant: One Mexican managed to get deported 44 times in 15 years — which means he also managed to sneak back across the border at least that many times.

The runner-up was ousted 40 times from 2001 to 2015. No. 3, 4 and 5 on the list were deported 35, 34 and 31 times, respectively, according to data provided to The Washington Times by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

While those are the most extreme cases, repeat-illegal immigrants were back in the news this week after police said a twice-deported man was driving drunk in Indiana on Sunday morning when he plowed into pro football player Edwin Jackson and his Uber driver, killing them both.



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/6/illegal-immigrant-deported-44-times-15-years-tops-/

Just the way Democrats like it, eh? "Y'all come back now, hear? Before the next election."

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layman
 
  -1  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 08:27 pm
As well she should oughta:

Quote:
DHS Secretary Nielsen slams 'irresponsible' media, says no 'policy of separating families at the border'

The head of the Department of Homeland Security bashed the media Sunday for their reporting on the increasingly volatile immigration controversy, writing in a string of tweets: “We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period.”

Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen added: “This misreporting by Members, press & advocacy groups must stop. It is irresponsible and unproductive. As I have said many times before, if you are seeking asylum for your family, there is no reason to break the law and illegally cross between ports of entry.”

She noted that no one is “breaking the law by seeking asylum at a port of entry.”

A child illegally entering the U.S. is generally separated from adults at the border if the child is in danger, has no clear relationship to the adult, or if the adult enters criminal proceedings.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/17/dhs-secretary-nielsen-slams-irresponsible-media-says-no-policy-separating-families-at-border.html

Fake news? Like, whooda thunk, I ax ya?
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layman
 
  -1  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 08:41 pm
Obama would not allow an "expedited" (i.e., without a hearing) removal of an illegal alien unless they were caught less than 100 miles from the border and had been in the country for less than 2 weeks.

However, the law allows expedited removal from anywhere in the U.S. if the criminal has been hiding for less than 2 years. That's what Trump's gunna do.

You go, Donald.
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layman
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:11 pm
MS-13 killers have a "spark of divinity" and their "dignity and worth" must be "respected," according to Nancy Pelosi. She's saving the republicans a lot of money that might otherwise be spent on consultants to produce campaign commercials, eh?



Yeah, U.S. citizens are gunna come runnin to vote for that, eh?

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neptuneblue
 
  4  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:15 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
And the excuse is not needed. One more time, no one asked these people to come.


I'm pretty sure the American Indians did not ask us to come here either, yet here we are.

I think you have a very misguided idea of why these people desert their homelands. Civil war lasting generations with 8 yr olds being pressed into child marriages or fighting for a regime was never what any parent envisions for their children.

We are not the only country going through immigration problems. But we are the only ones who make "enforcing a policy" to separate children from their parents as a deterrent to immigration.

We have to do a better job than this.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:26 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
I'm pretty sure the American Indians did not ask us to come here either, yet here we are.

No they didn't, and they tried their best to defend their borders. They could not, we can.

And did you read Layman's post about the children?
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:42 pm
@coldjoint,
Tell me where, in ANY other country, parents are separated from their children.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/world/europe/spain-migrant-ship-italy.html

MADRID — About 600 migrants disembarked from three ships on Sunday in the port of Valencia, Spain, more than a week after they had been rescued at sea only to be turned away by Italy and Malta.

Arriving separately, the Aquarius, a rescue ship, and two Italian Navy vessels reached Valencia carrying a total of 630 migrants — including pregnant women and children — that the Aquarius had originally picked up from six rubber dinghies in the Mediterranean Sea off Libya.

After their exhausting journey, migrants shouted with joy as their ships entered Valencia’s port. Some disembarked singing.

The fate of the Aquarius has underlined the deep divisions in Europe over how to handle an influx of migrants mostly from the Middle East and Africa.

The Aquarius is operated by two European humanitarian groups, SOS Méditerranée and Doctors Without Borders. David Noguera, the president of the Spanish branch of Doctors Without Borders, said on Sunday that the migrants had completed a journey that was “too long and generates contradictory feelings.”

He added, “The blockade of European ports sets a very negative precedent.”

The landing in Spain opens a new chapter in a saga that began last Sunday, when Italy’s new populist government followed through on anti-immigration campaign promises by refusing to let the Aquarius dock at an Italian port.

Image
Spanish medical staff carried out preliminary health checks on the migrants at Valencia’s port.CreditAlberto Saiz/Associated Press
Italy’s interior minister and the leader of the anti-immigrant League, Matteo Salvini, had argued that “an army of fake refugees” had long exploited what he called the country’s lax rules.

That left the ship, which at the time was overburdened with the rescued migrants, stranded at sea in dangerous conditions.

The migrants will be granted a special humanitarian permit to stay in Spain for 45 days while the authorities review their cases and give them medical attention. The Spanish government said it would review all of the 630 migrants’ cases to decide whether to grant them asylum. Those who do not fulfill the criteria would face deportation.

Italy’s decision to bar the migrants drew a furious reaction from humanitarian groups and other European countries. Spain brought an end to the standoff when its new Socialist government offered to let the migrants land there instead.

During the standoff, Italy allowed emergency services to board the Aquarius to check on the migrants, who were crammed on board. The Italian government also sent two navy ships to escort the Aquarius to Spain and to help transport the migrants to reduce overcrowding.

Mr. Salvini has cast his government’s turning away of the Aquarius as a political victory. His party campaigned on promises to expel hundreds of thousands of migrants and to prevent new arrivals from landing on Italian shores.

Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez of Spain said his government’s decision to let the refugees land was an “obligation to avoid a human catastrophe.” Mr. Salvini responded acerbically to the Spanish decision. He welcomed the “good heart” of Mr. Sánchez’s government and urged him to “also use his generosity in coming weeks” to welcome more migrants, given that Spain has received far fewer than Italy.

Even as the Aquarius migrants reached safety after their week at sea, others faced a similar ordeal.

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INTERNATIONAL By Neeti Upadhye 1:10
600 Migrants Stranded At Sea
The populist Italian government refused to allow a rescue boat carrying hundreds of migrants from across Africa to dock in the country. Spain later offered to accept the ship.Published OnJune 11, 2018CreditImage by Karpov, via Reuters
Mr. Salvini warned on his Facebook page on Saturday that “two other ships with the flag of Netherlands — Lifeline and Seefuchs — have arrived off the coast of Libya, waiting for their load of human beings abandoned by the smugglers.”

He said Italy would block those other rescue ships, too, writing: “These gentlemen know that Italy no longer wants to be complicit in the business of illegal immigration, and therefore will have to look for other ports (not Italian) where to go.”

On Sunday morning, Spanish medical staff boarded the Dattilo to carry out preliminary health checks when the Italian Navy ship reached its assigned dock at Valencia’s port, shortly before 7 a.m. local time. Spanish police officers began registering the first migrants once they were allowed to disembark. The Orione, another Italian Navy vessel, was the last to reach Valencia, more than six hours after the Dattilo.

The first migrant who completed the registration process was a 29-year-old man from Sudan, according to Spanish news reports. Over 2,000 people helped receive the migrants in Valencia, including Red Cross workers and interpreters.

Some of the migrants are expected to be transferred to France, after the government of President Emmanuel Macron announced that passengers from the Aquarius who wished to resettle in his country would be welcomed.

The arrival of the Aquarius coincided with the rescue of almost 1,000 migrants off the southern coast of Spain over the weekend. The migrants, traveling in dozens of dinghies, were picked up by the country’s maritime rescue services as they were trying to cross the waters separating Morocco from Spain.

“Spain faces an avalanche of migrants because of the call effect,” the headline on the front page of ABC, a Spanish right-wing newspaper, read on Sunday. The newspaper said that “almost 1,000 illegals” had reached southern Andalusia, calling it the largest influx of migrants since 2014.

According to ABC, the message sent by the government’s humanitarian gesture could be “used by the mafias that traffic human beings to increase their activity, because it allows them to make their clients believe that the entrance to Spanish territory — and hence that of Europe — will be easier from now.”


coldjoint
 
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Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:48 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
Tell me where, in ANY other country, parents are separated from their children.

All of them when the parent goes to jail. And we are NOT other countries. You don't get that do you?
layman
 
  0  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:54 pm
Cheech, he don't lie:

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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:54 pm
@coldjoint,
The only reason parents go to jail is because they stepped off that "boat."

I expect more from our country than what is currently in place. It's sad you don't. If you want to make this an Obama wrong, so be it. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 09:57 pm
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
The only reason parents go to jail is because they stepped off that "boat."

I answered your question. Countries that jail parents do it all the time.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:04 pm
@coldjoint,
You answered nothing.

No other country jails *"illegal" immigrants the second they arrive and remove their children from them.

coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:05 pm
Quote:
Outraged Lawmakers Hold Press Conference After Touring Immigration Facility: It’s ‘Un-American’

Why aren't these politicians in our inner cities helping the children there?
Quote:
One of the most scathing criticisms was brought by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), who condemned family separations, demanding that President Donald Trump end the practice now.

Quote:
“And after the parents are in handcuffs their kids are taken away to parts unknown,” he added.

That is a lie right there. And Shelia Jackson is a real low IQ person
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/outraged-lawmakers-hold-press-conference-after-touring-immigration-facility-trump-moving-the-arc-of-justice-to-the-heap-of-despair/
layman
 
  -2  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:10 pm
Speaking of "Un-American," where's good old Tail-gunner Joe McCarthy, former chairman of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, when ya really need his ass, eh?

There's more commies to clean out now than ever.

Fortunately, Steve Bannon was relieved of his white house duties so that he could work 24/7 on assembling the Orange Shirts. Your time, it aint long, cheese-eaters!
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:11 pm
@neptuneblue,
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Italy: A law passed by parliament in 2009 “penalizes illegal immigrants with a fine of €5,000-10,000 and allows immigration officials to detain them for up to 6 months.”

What do you think happens to the children in those six months? They end up getting raped. Immigrants here should count their blessings.
Quote:
Australia: Passed the Migration Reform Act of 1992. This act and its subsequent amendments, “collectively require the authorities to detain all non-citizens who are discovered in Australia without a valid visa.”

These children?


http://humanevents.com/2014/06/24/how-do-other-countries-handle-illegal-immigration/
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neptuneblue
 
  4  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 10:17 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
That is a lie right there. And Shelia Jackson is a real low IQ person


Tell me where, specifically, each child is named at each facility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/family-separation-migrant-children-detention.html

On the tour on Wednesday, Southwest Key and federal officials did not discuss such violations. They saw nothing wrong with the children spending most of their day indoors. They highlighted numerous phone booths around the shelter, including some the children use to call relatives and others that have direct lines to child protection agencies so they can lodge complaints. And they said there were some cases of children who tried to run away. The average length of stay in a migrant children’s shelter is about 56 days, after which children generally are released to a sponsor. Some have been placed with foster families.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sun 17 Jun, 2018 11:01 pm
@neptuneblue,

Quote:
Tell me where, specifically, each child is named at each facility.

I do not care. The kids know their names.
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