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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 01:23 am
Quote:
The former US First Lady Laura Bush has condemned a controversial policy that splits up families who illegally enter the country.

Writing in the Washington Post, she describes the separation of children from their parents as cruel, immoral and heart-breaking.

Her comments follow growing controversy over President Donald Trump's "zero-tolerance" immigration policy.

Earlier Melania Trump made a rare statement expressing concern.

Mrs Trump "hates to see children separated from their families", her spokeswoman said.

She repeated her husband's call for "both sides" to work on immigration reform as a solution. However, fact-checkers point out that the policy was introduced by Mr Trump's attorney general and does not require congressional action to be stopped.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44515123
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revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 08:11 am
Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday blamed migrants in Europe for what he inaccurately described as a rise in crime in Germany and for violently changing the culture, adding that what was happening with immigration there presented a similar threats to the United States.

"The people of Germany are turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition. Crime in Germany is way up. Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!" Trump, said in a tweet.

Trump's administration is facing strong criticism from rights activists, Democrats and some in his own Republican Party for separating children from their parents at the U.S.-Mexican border, a policy aimed at deterring illegal immigration.

Crime has fallen off dramatically in Germany, with the country's internal ministry reporting last month that criminal offenses in Germany totaled 5.76 million in 2017, the lowest number since 1992, leading to the lowest crime rate for the country in more than 30 years.

Merkel's open-door migrant policy is widely blamed for the rise of the right-wing AfD, now the main opposition party in Germany's federal parliament. More than 1.6 million migrants, mostly Muslims fleeing wars in the Middle East, have arrived in Germany since 2014.


Reuters

Trump just simply doesn't care if he tells a pack of lies. I guess he knows his base will defend lies just as well as the truth so he gets a falsehood going.
Lash
 
  1  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 08:16 am
What’s the solution at our borders?
revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 08:29 am
@Lash,
Stop the zero-tolerance policy at the border put in place by Sessions which was pushed by Miller at the WH. After that work on immigration reform.

Quote:
President Donald Trump's "zero-tolerance" policy that separates families at the US-Mexico border was the work of White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller.

The New York Times reported the origin of the controversial policy on Saturday. Miller, a 32-year-old policy specialist, followed the momentum of March's peak in illegal immigration numbers since Trump took office to push the policy.

It's since resulted in nearly 2,000 children separated from their families at the border over six weeks, according to the Associated Press. Photos and stories of infants and young children being ripped from their parents' arms has ignited a firestorm of criticism from Democrats and Republicans alike.

Miller told The Times he supported the policy because it discouraged migrants from crossing the border illegally.

"No nation can have the policy that whole classes of people are immune from immigration law or enforcement," he said. "It was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry, period. The message is that no one is exempt from immigration law."

Miller has been a rising star on the far right for years, often making headlines because of his polarizing demeanor and statements.

The hard line Miller described echoes how the policy was announced last month by Attorney General Jeff Sessions as a deterrence measure. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border," Sessions said.

Officials across the administration have aired their problems with the policy, including counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway, who pointed to formal immigration policy reform in Congress as the necessary fix.

"I will tell you that nobody likes this policy," Conway told "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd on Sunday. "You saw the president on camera that he wants this to end, but everybody has, Congress has to act."

Trump has also pointed to Democratic lawmakers as responsible for changing "forced family breakup at the Border" and falsely blamed Democrats on Twitter and in front of the press for his own administration's policy.

House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said earlier this week that executive, not legislative, action is key in ending the "barbaric" policy.

Current and former officials told the Times this discord over the policy is coursing through the administration, despite top officials like Sessions and White House Chief of Staff John Kelly taking hard stances.

Kelly, Trump's former head of Department of Homeland Security, told NPR last month the policy is one "no one hopes will be used extensively or for very long."

Sessions has since doubled down on the policy's groundings, quoting a Bible verse as defense in a speech last week.


source
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maporsche
 
  2  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 08:58 am
Open the borders, help fix the worlds poverty.

http://fortune.com/2016/04/17/immigration-open-borders/

Quote:
If all the developed countries would let in just 3% more immigrants, the world’s poor would have $305 billion more to spend, according to a 2007 study by the World Bank. That’s the combined total of ALL development aid—times three.


*emphasis mine
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Lash
 
  0  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:21 am
We have large pockets of humanity in this country who are being poisoned by the water coming out of the kitchen sink.

We’re a gajillion dollars in debt.

We’re trying to move toward universal healthcare; we won’t be able to accomplish that with open borders.

I’m squarely against open borders.

We could take some of these refugees, but our borders should be secure.

I wonder how many Americans are for open borders.

maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:41 am
https://openborders.info/blog/martin-luther-king-jr-and-open-borders/

Martin Luther King Jr and Open Borders

Quote:
Racial segregation limits the mobility of certain persons on the morally arbitrary basis of the color of their skin, and this is done regardless of whether people on the “other side” of the segregation are willing to interact peacefully. A closed border restricts mobility and voluntary, peaceful interaction on the morally arbitrary basis of which side of the border a person happened to be born on.


MLK wrote:
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial “outside agitator” idea.


MLK wrote:
A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. All segregation statutes are unjust because segregation distorts the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority.


Most pointedly

MLK wrote:
This I believe to be the privilege and the burden of all of us who deem ourselves bound by allegiances and loyalties which are broader and deeper than nationalism and which go beyond our nation’s self-defined goals and positions. We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims of our nation and for those it calls “enemy,” for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our brothers.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:47 am
@Lash,
Stop seeing immigrants as a problem. They do the jobs most people won't do. If your water is unsafe maybe immigrants can show you how to purify it.

Quote:
A Texas sheriff's deputy has been arrested for abusing a four-year-old girl and threatening her undocumented immigrant mother with deportation.

Jose Nunez, 47, had worked as a detention deputy with the Bexar County Sheriff's Department for 10 years.

He was arrested early on Sunday morning after the girl's mother sought help from a local fire department.

The Bexar sheriff called the case "heartbreaking, disturbing, disgusting and infuriating all at the same time".

Sheriff Javier Salazar said at a press conference on Sunday that Mr Nunez had been placed on paid administrative leave pending an internal investigation.

Mr Nunez has been charged with super aggravated sexual assault, a charge applied when the victim is under six years old.

Sheriff Salazar said the suspect is "not worthy to be part of this agency", adding that he took advantage of the mother's immigration status to threaten her to keep quiet about the assaults.

He vowed to immediately "cut [him] out like cancer" from the police force.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44523536
maporsche
 
  4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:59 am
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35476244_2148970285323227_1543866427369324544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=0122e7b25fe48d3ecca51be32ba22b96&oe=5BC385BD
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 09:59 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
Martin Luther King Jr and Open Borders

Sorry but MLK's views on immigration do not matter. This is America's well being in an age of terror, and he had no idea the lives it would cost or the economic damage to our government.
Quote:
no document from human hands can make these humans any less our brothers.

I agree but that does not mean those brothers cannot make their countries better and count on themselves.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:04 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday blamed migrants in Europe for what he inaccurately described as a rise in crime in Germany and for violently changing the culture, adding that what was happening with immigration there presented a similar threats to the United States.

He is not inaccurate. The crime has risen dramatically from the Muslim immigration. There is no way around it. To believe otherwise is denial and cowardice, that will cause more suffering and death from an imported and deadly enemy.
Lash
 
  0  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:04 am
@izzythepush,
Does Britain have open borders?

Meanwhile, my rationale is that if we can’t take care of who is here, how can we even pretend we’ll be able to take care of additional people?

It’s logical.
edgarblythe
 
  4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:06 am
I have always been for open borders. I argued for it on Abuzz even.
maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:07 am
Every financial argument that can be made against immigration can also be made against American's having children.

As a childless tax payer, to me there is little difference if my neighbor has a kid or if an immigrant child comes into the country.

Those who think the country is so poor and we can't afford immigrants coming to America...how many children do you have?



Segregation is segregation, whether it's based on nationality, race, or gender (all of which, are determined at birth, through no input/achievement of the born).
maporsche
 
  1  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:08 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I have always been for open borders. I argued for it on Abuzz even.


Edgar, look, a progressive cause we probably completely agree on!!
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:18 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
Edgar, look, a progressive cause we probably completely agree on!!

It is not a cause it is a tactic to promote guilt and lies about the number of people that actually feel that way. It is hyped by a one sided media to the extent that anyone opposing the cause should be hated for it. Progressives deal in hate and division. We should all keep that in mind.
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Lash
 
  1  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:20 am
@maporsche,
This is a great point. There are people who have children without planning how they’ll take care of them, and other people who take precautions and wait until they’re in a better position to care for them.

I bet their ideas on open borders are predictable. Could be wrong; it’s an assumption.

How can universal healthcare work with open borders?

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firefly
 
  4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:21 am
@Lash,
Quote:

We’re a gajillion dollars in debt.

Which is also a reason I don't want my tax dollars used in this way...
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/host.madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/8/e4/8e42ef96-1fa7-557c-b01d-db540a05386e/5b105b8840d0f.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C886
This is not a partisan issue--it is a humanitarian and ethical issue.

Laura Bush, an admired former First Lady, agrees
Quote:
… AND LAURA BUSH in WaPo, “Separating children from their parents at the border ‘breaks my heart’”: “I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart. Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso.

“These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. ... We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin.
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2018/06/18/immigration-separated-families-border-trump-gop-280364


edgarblythe
 
  4  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:22 am
I have lived near and worked with illegals my entire life and I have seen 99% good come from it.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 18 Jun, 2018 10:38 am
@Lash,
We're a tiny island that's very densely populated. You're the best part of a continent with loads of resources. Your population could quadruple and you'd still not be as densely populated as us.
 

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