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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:01 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Those text did cause the IG to question if biasness affected any decisions, but after examining documents and listening to testimonial evidence, they saw no biasenss in any of the early decision in the Russian investigation.


As usual. Rev, the primary thing you prove with your posts is that you don't read so damn good, eh?

Quote:
Nonetheless, these messages cast a cloud over the FBI’s handling of the Midyear investigation and the investigation’s credibility. But our review did not find evidence to connect the political views expressed in these messages to the specific investigative decisions that we reviewed;


Their statements are clearly limited to " the specific investigative decisions that we reviewed," see that?

So, one question that arises is "what decisions were reviewed?" Well, let's see---says here:

Quote:
...most of the text messages raising such questions pertained to the Russia investigation, which was not a part of this review


Furthermore, he merely says he did not find DIRECT evidence. He doesn't say it didn't happen, nor did he deny that there are tons of "indirect evidence."
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:03 pm
Quote:
New York's attorney general is suing the Trump Foundation, as well as Donald Trump and his children, alleging "extensive and persistent" lawbreaking.

Barbara Underwood said the charitable foundation had engaged in "unlawful political co-ordination" designed to influence the 2016 election.

The lawsuit seeks to dissolve the foundation and $2.8m (£2.1m) in restitution.

The foundation denied the charges, calling them politically motivated.

The president hit back at the lawsuit on Twitter, saying that "sleazy New York Democrats" were "doing everything they can to sue me". He vowed he would not settle the case.

The attorney general is also seeking to bar the president and three of his adult children, Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka, from serving on the board of any New York-based charity, "in light of misconduct and total lack of oversight".

She has referred the case to the Internal Revenue Service and the Federal Election Commission, she says.


Ms Underwood filed a petition at the New York Supreme Court in Manhattan on Thursday, Mr Trump's 72nd birthday.

It accuses the foundation and its directors - Mr Trump and his three eldest children - of unlawfully co-ordinating with the Trump presidential campaign, repeated self-dealing transactions, and violating laws under which non-profit organisations must operate.

In a statement, Ms Underwood said Mr Trump had illegally instructed the foundation to provide support to his presidential campaign by using the foundation's name and funds it raised to promote the campaign.

The petition also claims that Mr Trump used charitable assets to pay off legal obligations, to promote his own businesses and to purchase personal items, including a painting of himself.

The Trump Foundation issued a statement denying the charges and accusing the attorney general of holding its $1.7 million in remaining funds "hostage for political gain".

Ms Underwood is a Democrat.

The president described the suit as "ridiculous".

The younger Trumps have yet to comment publicly.

The lawsuit announced on Thursday is the culmination of a two-year investigation, which began under the previous New York attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, Ms Underwood said.

Mr Schneiderman resigned last month after several former girlfriends accused him of physical abuse.

In October 2016 Mr Schneiderman ordered the Trump Foundation to stop fundraising in New York, after finding it had no proper registration.

President-elect Trump vowed to shut the charitable foundation down in December 2016, to avoid "even the appearance" of any conflict of interest.

The Trump Foundation lawsuit adds to Mr Trump's legal challenges, which include a wide-ranging special counsel investigation into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has indicted several of Mr Trump's associates and raided the home and office of the president's long-time lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44486250
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:17 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Furthermore, he merely says he did not find DIRECT evidence. He doesn't say it didn't happen, nor did he deny that there are tons of "indirect evidence."

That is what the Left says when confronted about Russian collusion. Think that answer is good enough since that is exactly what they claim? It should be, but it won't accepted because of the double standard.

The best way to change this crap is to re-elect Trump. A process that is well underway.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:34 pm
@coldjoint,
Well, ya don't have to be no Einstein to figure out if this guy is determined to "stop Trump" from becoming prez and to create an "insurance policy" against an "idiot" taking office then someone ELSE would have to be elected, eh? Now, who could that someone else be, I wonder?

The criminal he "interviewed" while creating no notes, no recordings, no nuthin, all contrary to express FBI policy and all after an exculpatory statement had already been created, maybe?

They are plenty of criminals on death row or doing life in cases where no "smoking gun" was ever found. Not even a cooled down weapon which was shown to be the murder weapon, for that matter. You don't need "direct" evidence to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:38 pm
@layman,
I read ok, I miss things sometimes, so what? In any event, at least I don't add things.

Quote:
There were clearly tensions and disagreements in a number of important areas between Midyear agents and prosecutors. However, we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias, directly affected the specific investigative decisions we reviewed in Chapter Five, or that the justifications offered for these decisions were pretextual.


He did not say direct evidence.

He said they did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias directly affected the specific investigative decisions. Not direct or indirect evidence; but directly affected investigative decisions. In other words, there was no biasness that directly affected the decisions of the investigation.
layman
 
  -3  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:45 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

He did not say direct evidence.

He said they did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that improper considerations, including political bias directly affected the specific investigative decisions. Not direct or indirect evidence; but directly affected investigated decisions. In other words, there was no biasness that directly affected the decisions of the investigation.


Heh, once again....

No, that's NOT what he said "in other words."

He merely said he found no ' documentary or testimonial evidence." Horowitz seems to be confusing the concept of "evidence" with that of "proof," however he puts it. There is PLENTY of evidence, whether or not any given individual thinks that particular evidence amounts to "proof."

Nor does he say that political bias did not indirectly affect investigative decisions, as you want to suggest.

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2471#post-6660965
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 03:53 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

someone ELSE would have to be elected, eh? Now, who could that someone else be, I wonder?

The criminal he "interviewed" while creating no notes, no recordings, no nuthin, all contrary to express FBI policy and all after an exculpatory statement had already been created, maybe?


As I recall, this is the same guy who said Hillary should win by a margin of 1,000,000 to 0, eh? What's that tellya?
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layman
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:06 pm
Horotwitz doesn't even have the authority to prosecute a crime, let alone be the sole judge in a case.

The only fair way to resolve this is to have Comey, Lynch, et al tried by a jury of their peers, I figure.

Hint: In this context "peers" does not mean fellow DOJ employees.
revelette1
 
  3  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:06 pm
@layman,
Quote:
Nor does he say that political bias did not indirectly affect investigative decisions, as you want to suggest
.

Go to the link itself and read the report yourself. He said "directly affect the investigative decisions."

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2018/2018-06-14.pdf

layman
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:11 pm
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Quote:
Nor does he say that political bias did not indirectly affect investigative decisions, as you want to suggest
.

Go to the link itself and read the report yourself. He said "directly affect the investigative decisions."

https://oig.justice.gov/press/2018/2018-06-14.pdf


Exactly. That's what I just said. Horowitz said "directly." He did NOT say "indirectly."
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:22 pm
We have a lot more to worry about than history.

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revelette1
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:29 pm
@layman,
Rolling Eyes
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:33 pm
Quote:
Why hasn’t Peter Strzok been fired yet?

Good question. Did someone ask the FBI director?
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/06/14/hasnt-peter-strzok-fired-yet/
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 04:37 pm
@revelette1,
Rolling Eyes
I don't think Layman is too worried about your opinion, and I cannot think of one good reason why he should be.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 05:59 pm
@coldjoint,
Now THAT's an interesting comment. I can't speak for revelette but I know i get sick with worry over what either one of you think. Come on, two of the best minds of the alt right?????? Can you just imagine how threatened we gals feel??? Confronted by all that right-thinking and testosterone might makes right happy horse hockey????

You really should be careful how you use all that brainpower, it's devastatingly laughable.
layman
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 06:21 pm
@glitterbag,
The more might, the more right, I always say. Sure, I'm always right anyway, but I'm even more right when I slip on my brass knuckles, I figure.
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layman
 
  -1  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 06:27 pm
Of course, it's a little different when it comes to the wimminz. In that case, ya need yourself a mojo hand.

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gungasnake
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 06:41 pm
@coldjoint,
The face of a failed candidate and a failed party and ideology.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 06:41 pm
@glitterbag,
As Hamlet's mother said, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

Projection and overcompensation betray you,
gungasnake
 
  -2  
Thu 14 Jun, 2018 06:49 pm
Justin Raimondo, www.antiwar.com

https://original.antiwar.com/justin/2018/06/13/singapore-summit-a-victory-for-peace/

Quote:
"You could hear the cries of anguish and the gnashing of teeth emanating from Washington, D.C., and the isle of Manhattan, as the media and the political class mourned the coming of peace to the Korean peninsula. ..."
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