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blatham
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:11 am
Quote:
By Will Wilkinson
Contributing Opinion Writer
April 13, 2018

Spinoza said that free will is like a stone that doesn’t know why it’s falling but wants to keep going. On Wednesday, Paul Ryan announced that he would not seek re-election. A midterm defeat, should Mr. Ryan have chosen to run, wasn’t exactly inevitable. But when no less an authority than the speaker of the House of Representatives expressed the desire to rejoin his children, with all the freedom of plummeting rock longing to eat dirt, it confirmed what practically everyone suspects: The Republican Party is in free fall, and its House majority is racing toward annihilation.

Mr. Ryan may be oblivious to the ultimate cause of his entirely free and unforced decision to spend more time with his kids, but it is, in a nutshell, Paul Ryan. He is truly the author of his own destiny.

Politics isn’t physics, but a governing Republican philosophy that sees it as a moral imperative to slash the budgets of social programs that benefit mainly older and working-class white people is bound, sooner or later, to drive a party of mainly older and working-class white people off a cliff. The slow-motion disaster now unfolding in Washington results in no small measure from Mr. Ryan’s puzzling success in persuading Republican elites that they could flourish as the party of free-market, anti-redistributive convictions.
NYT

Winner of today's You Can Say That Again award.
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blatham
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:34 am
Once again, American media hosts the Pentagon's war-is-glorious meme by releasing video of missiles launching. One lesson these guys learned from Viet Nam is that images of the human consequences where the bombs or missiles land need to be ignored and covered over with the glory imagery.
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:38 am
@blatham,
it's a bad bad bad bad thing
ehBeth
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:39 am
@Region Philbis,
that about says it
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ehBeth
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:42 am
@revelette1,
Can't decide if I'm angrier at the US/France or the UK about this. Probably France - I actually had expectations of their leader not to follow the stupid US line on this. Trump announcing support for his friends the UAE and Saudi Arabia while continuing to insult Iran - vomit.
ehBeth
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:43 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Better than the other way around. Still, that 32% is scaring the **** out of anyone paying attention.


that 30 - 35% base number is unlikely to ever change

he was right - he could murder someone in public and his base won't care
farmerman
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 08:50 am
@ehBeth,
he uses a lotta lube for those guys
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revelette1
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 09:05 am
@ehBeth,
I guess for me this is not about Trump or politics or anything. I also realize there are many despots in the world. However, Assad has used these chemical weapons the citizens of Syria at least twice that I know of since this war in Syria has been going on. Clearly, he is not going to stop, Russia and surely not Iran is going to make him stop and perhaps even had a part in it. This situation in Syria is a dangerous situation with so many actors involved and adding chemical weapons to the mix, is bad.

I don't agree with their rhetoric and glorifying war and the use of military weapons is sick in my opinion. True, Trump and republicans will take advantage politically of this strike and compare it to Obama's "red line." However, all the diplomatic methods have been used to no effect. Everything has been tried. This strike really is a last resort in my opinion. Hopefully it will be meaningfully followed up by some means of making sure all such weapons are destroyed and some means of monitoring any future use of chemical weapons.
ehBeth
 
  3  
Sat 14 Apr, 2018 09:17 am
@revelette1,
I don't think the US has done anything meaningful about Russia, the UAE or Saudi Arabia - diplomatically or otherwise. That's where something has to change.

I certainly disagree strongly re Iran.
revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 14 Apr, 2018 09:40 am
@ehBeth,
Oh well, not sure what else kind of diplomatic means can be tried with Russia; I was mostly referring to when Obama first (stupidly) used that phrase "red line" and then went with a deal with Russia on a framework to eliminate Syria's chemical's weapons. Which clearly did not work in the end, but was worth the effort in trying my opinion.

As for Iran, I really don't know, I have just read some things which led me to think the Iranian mullahs are involved with Syria in some way.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 09:55 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
Oh well, not sure what else kind of diplomatic means can be tried with Russia;

There are global sanctions against both Syria and Russia that both countries would like to see ended. Some of the sanctions on Russia are for their actions in Ukraine.

One thing we could do is build a global consensus that no sanctions will be eased on either country until the UN Security Council refers the Syrian war to the International Criminal Court.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 10:03 am
@revelette1,
Of course Iran is involved in Syria. Iran supports Assad because Assad is an Alawite, a sect more closely aligned with Shia Islam. Across the ME there are populations of both Shia and Sunni Muslims with Iran supporting the Shia and Saudi Arabia the Sunni.

There's another proxy war going on in Yemen, with rumblings in Shia majority, but Sunni controlled, Bahrain, which is also an American naval base.

Both sides have their own militant groups, Hezbollah are Shia whilst Al Qaida and IS are Sunni. Overall though the Shias tend to be less extreme. Given the choice I'd rather be taken prisoner by Hezbollah than IS.

ehBeth
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 10:15 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
One thing we could do is build a global consensus that no sanctions will be eased on either country until the UN Security Council refers the Syrian war to the International Criminal Court.


agreed

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coldjoint
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 11:06 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I'd rather be taken prisoner by Hezbollah than IS.


Either one would kill you, unless you had something they wanted. That would be highly doubtful, if not ridiculous, you would be a dead "man"( for lack of a better word) in a matter of minutes.
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hightor
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 11:17 am
When Liberals Become Progressives, Much Is Lost

Greg Weiner, April 13, 2018, The New York Times

Quote:
On the night of his election to the Senate in 1976, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Democrat of New York, declared: “I ran as a liberal. I was elected as a liberal.” This month, discussing her campaign for the Democratic nomination for governor of New York, Cynthia Nixon called for “progressive change.” The distinction matters.

In recent decades, the label “progressive” has been resurrected to replace “liberal,” a once vaunted term so successfully maligned by Republicans that it fell out of use. Both etymologically and ideologically, the switch to “progressive” carries historical freight that augurs poorly for Democrats and for the nation’s polarized politics.

Historical progressivism is an ideology whose American avatars, like Woodrow Wilson, saw progress as the inevitable outcome of human affairs. Of course, liberals and conservatives believe that their policies will result in positive outcomes, too. But it is another thing to say, as American Progressives did, that the contemporary political task was to identify a destination, grip the wheel and depress the accelerator.

The basic premise of liberal politics, by contrast, is the capacity of government to do good, especially in ameliorating economic ills. Nothing structurally impedes compromise between conservatives, who hold that the accumulated wisdom of tradition is a better guide than the hypercharged rationality of the present, and liberals, because both philosophies exist on a spectrum.

A liberal can believe that government can do more good or less, and one can debate how much to conserve. But progressivism is inherently hostile to moderation because progress is an unmitigated good. There cannot be too much of it. Like conservative fundamentalism, progressivism contributes to the polarization and paralysis of government because it makes compromise, which entails accepting less progress, not merely inadvisable but irrational. Even when progressives choose their targets strategically — Hillary Clinton, for example, called herself “a progressive who likes to get things done” — the implication is that progress is the fundamental goal and that its opponents are atavists.

Unlike liberalism, progressivism is intrinsically opposed to conservation. It renders adhering to tradition unreasonable rather than seeing it, as the liberal can, as a source of wisdom. The British philosopher Roger Scruton calls this a “culture of repudiation” of home and history alike. The critic of progress is not merely wrong but a fool. Progressivism’s critics have long experienced this as a passive-aggressive form of re-education.

Because progress is an unadulterated good, it supersedes the rights of its opponents. This is evident in progressive indifference to the rights of those who oppose progressive policies in areas like sexual liberation.

This is one reason progressives have alienated moderate voters who turned to Donald Trump in 2016. The ideology of progress tends to regard the traditions that have customarily bound communities and which mattered to Trump voters alarmed by the rapid transformation of society, as a fatuous rejection of progress. Trump supporters’ denunciation of “political correctness” is just as often a reaction to progressive condescension as it is to identity politics.

Where liberalism seeks to ameliorate economic ills, progressivism’s goal is to eradicate them. Moynihan recognized this difference between Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal, which he always supported — as exemplified by his opposition to Clinton-era welfare reform — and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society, which he sympathetically criticized. The New Deal alleviated poverty by cutting checks, something government does competently even if liberals and conservatives argued over the size of the checks. The Great Society partook more of a progressive effort to remake society by eradicating poverty’s causes. The result, Moynihan wrote, was the diversion of resources from welfare and jobs to “community action” programs that financed political activism.

This ideology of progress naturally aggrandizes the fastest route to the future, which is one reason progressivism has historically elevated the presidency to the center of the American regime. This insistence on progress based solely on reason also explains the doomed progressive aspiration, dating to the early 20th century, for “scientific legislation,” which seeks to transform the political into the rational. Yet policymaking in a republic is not, and should not be, purely rational. Constitutional institutions like the separation of powers instead require that policies develop gradually and command wide consensus — at least under normal circumstances.

But neither liberalism nor conservatism opposes rationality. Conservatism holds that accumulated tradition is a likelier source of wisdom than the cleverest individual at any one moment. It fears the tyranny of theory that cannot tolerate dissent. Liberalism defends constitutionalism. One of the finest traditions of 20th-century liberalism was the Cold War liberal who stood for social amelioration and against Soviet Communism. This genus — including Moynihan, Senator Henry Jackson and the longtime labor leader Lane Kirkland — was often maligned by progressives.

One cannot, of course, make too much of labels. But democracy is conducted with words, and progressivism, by its very definition, makes progress into an ideology. The appropriate label for those who do not believe in the ideology of progress but who do believe in government’s capacity to do good is “liberal.” They would do well, politically as well as philosophically, to revive it.


I've never really liked applying the term "progressive" to describe my own political tendencies for many of the reasons pointed out here. But mainly because of the way the right successfully turned it into an epithet, the 'L' word, as Bush the First called it. The right is really good at expropriating language for its own ideological purposes. Look how Trump and Fox have completely transmogrified the term "fake news" so it no longer has anything to do with hackers and trolls and is now simply applied to any MSM story deemed objectionable.
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revelette1
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 02:12 pm
@oralloy,
I disagree, Russia and Assad would just continue their aggressive tactics against Syrians like they have been knowing in the end, nothing but more sanctions would be done, which must not be enough of a deterrent. They need to know nations are not going to play their game while Syrians get gassed/chemical weapons used on them. I am not exactly sure why the strike was today, rather than waiting until the inspections were completed, but, more than likely even if the inspectors were allowed to inspect, they would not have had access to where the chemical weapons are and also, not to sound like a republican, but, the UN wouldn't have done anything even if they found a whole stockpile of them. They would have went with another deal which clearly was all lip service the last time. Like I said, it seems to me all the options have been tried.
coldjoint
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 02:19 pm
@revelette1,
The UN is not on our side and with the majority of countries being Islamic or Communist or authoritarian to varying degrees. Our freedoms or interests will never be served by the UN. And it will not turn around anytime soon, if ever. Freedom and sovereignty is the last thing the UN wants.
revelette1
 
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Sat 14 Apr, 2018 02:23 pm
@coldjoint,
Probably will be no surprise I disagree with you as well. More than likely they just prefer peaceful and diplomatic means to any military action.
 

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