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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Olivier5
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:45 am
@hightor,
There's no limit to what BS people will believe. I've seen some argue here on a2k that there might have been a nuclear reactor secretly placed under the twin towers, after the 'controlled demolition' events of 9/11, ya knah? Others believe that climate change is a conspiracy, or that lady Di was killed by the queen... Rolling Eyes

Lash is just following her delirium wherever it leads her. Hell, or thereabout.
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:46 am
@farmerman,
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He is probably the most blatant liar weve ever had in the White House.
Your sentence ought not to include that "probably". Even Nixon didn't come close to Trump's constant mendacity. And I'd be quite happy to wager that there is not a credentialed presidential historian who could or would make a case for any President more dishonest than Trump prior to my lifetime (pre-Eisenhower).
izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:51 am
@Lash,
If you use the quote function you'll have less typos.

Your opinion is that of someone who constantly posts Russian propaganda.

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Lash
 
  -1  
Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:52 am
@hightor,
You don’t get out much.

Plenty of the progressives I associate with think the timeline of events during both episodes of poison gassing in Syria look like false flag operations.

Trump wanted out of Syria. No sensible leader would do the one thing they knew would cause worldwide condemnation and enthusiastic retaliation by the US. Nobody’s that stupid.

hightor
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:53 am
@Lash,
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It’s weird that no one has admitted it still.

Not if it's Israel. They're always tight-lipped about these things.
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 9 Apr, 2018 05:57 am
@hightor,
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Re: izzythepush (Post 6627027)
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...that would explain this ludicrous thread.


That's one of the more charitable explanations. It amazes me that anyone would post such a story — with a straight face — and expect to be taken seriously. Ever.
Yikes.
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hightor
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:17 am
@Lash,
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You don’t get out much.

What's that supposed to mean? No, I haven't been to Syria. Have you?
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Plenty of the progressives I associate with think the timeline of events during both episodes of poison gassing in Syria look like false flag operations.

So what? You think putting a label on people enhances their credibility? Such a serious accusation really deserves to be backed up by better evidence than simply stating that people you know — progressive people — "think" it "looks" that way.
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Trump wanted out of Syria.

Yeah. He found the idea appealing for a few days and floated the idea. If you notice, the guy is not particularly reliable or honest — he'll change his tune from day to day, even within a day. Besides, it's totally unrealistic to expect the military to go along with the withdrawal and I doubt Republican hawks would back it either, especially after having criticized the former president for announcing our intentions and reducing the size of our forces too quickly.
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No sensible leader would do the one thing they knew would cause worldwide condemnation and enthusiastic retaliation by the US.

A sensible leader who decided to use chemical weapons would simply plan to deny any involvement and suggest that enemies of the regime did it. Psychopaths can be sensible, you know. Especially ones with the support of powerful allies.
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Nobody’s that stupid.

Sorry, Lash, but that's pretty stupid. People do stupid things all the time. And get away with it.
Lash
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:18 am
This is the craziest patchwork quilt of murderers and factions you could ever imagine.

Donald Trump announced last week that he wanted out of Syria.
Our Pentagon publicly warned him against departing Syria.
Anyone who wanted Trump out would’ve sat tight and waited for America’s exit.
Several factions, including the Pentagon, wanted the US to remain in Syria.

DAYS after Trump said he wanted out - like the same scenario last year - the US is coaxed into an attack with the only thing that would coax them - poison gas.

Al Quaida, who we support in this conflagration?
The rebels, fighting Assad?
Our Pentagon?

Who benefits most from our firepower in Syria?

Think about it.

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Imagine that the president's national security team walked into the Oval Office and proposed the following U.S. policy in Syria: Let's create an al-Qaeda haven in southern Syria, by working with Russia to establish a cease-fire area where the terrorist network behind 9/11 is free to operate without fear of U.S. attack.

Then let's have the Pentagon tell most pro-American Sunnis who want to fight with us that we will arm and train them only if they sign a pledge promising not to fight the regime of Bashar al-Assad, which has massacred their families with mortars and poison gas — likely driving most of the fighters into the waiting arms of al-Qaeda (which promises to help them against Assad). Then let's cancel the covert CIA program under which we did allow a small number of rebels to fight Assad, and put out word that we are doing so as a concession to Moscow.

Instead of Sunni fighters, we'll team up with the Kurdish Marxist "People's Defense Force" (YPG), a terrorist organization at odds with NATO ally Turkey. We'll use the YPG to attack just the Islamic State, leaving al-Qaeda unscathed and thus helping it reassert its supremacy over its rival for leadership of the global jihad.

Let's also have Defense Secretary Jim Mattis say publicly that we shouldn't do anything to push back on the unprecedented expansion of Iranian military force in Syria, and even suggest that Iran can help with the fight against the Islamic State — totally undercutting the president's stated aim of being tough on Iran. Then we'll have Secretary of State Rex Tillerson state that "Russia has the same . . . interest that we do" in Syria so we can help al-Qaeda recruit more Sunnis to its cause by telling them that the United States is allied with Russia, Iran, Shiites, Alawites and Kurds in a campaign to annihilate them — a message against which we will have no effective response because it will be true.


Sound like a good plan? Because that is a description of precisely what the Trump administration is doing in Syria today.

"Current US strategy empowers al-Qaeda, which has an army in Syria, is preparing to replace ISIS . . . [and] is more dangerous than ISIS," says a recent report from the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) and the American Enterprise Institute's Critical Threats Project (CTP). Our approach, the report declares, "is inadvertently fueling the global Salafi-jihadi insurgency" because Sunnis see the United States as working with their mortal enemies. Al-Qaeda is taking advantage of this perception to build support among Sunni tribes, portraying itself as the defender of Sunni Arabs against a U.S.-Russo-Iranian axis intent on subjugating and destroying them.

Alienating the Sunni population is not the way to win the war against Islamist radicalism. Right now, al-Qaeda has established itself as the tip of the spear in the fight against the Assad regime, so many Sunnis who do not share al-Qaeda's ideology are flocking to al-Qaeda because it is the only game in town for fighting Assad. Al-Qaeda's goal is to take charge of the anti-Assad uprising and slowly transform it into a global jihad against Iran, Russia and the United States. Instead of undermining these efforts, we are helping them, by focusing almost exclusively on the Islamic State and driving the Sunni population to ally itself with al-Qaeda.

This is insane. We should be working to strip Sunni tribes away from al-Qaeda. And the United States has a proven record to draw on. During the 2007 surge in Iraq, we successfully rallied the Sunni tribes that had been fighting alongside al-Qaeda in Iraq and got them to turn on the terrorists and help us drive them out. The result was both a military and ideological defeat for the Salafi-jihadist cause. Not only were the terrorists driven from their havens, but also they suffered a humiliating popular rejection by the very Sunni masses of whom they claimed to be the vanguard.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/why-is-the-trump-administration-empowering-al-qaeda-in-syria/2017/07/26/6ae289f0-714c-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html
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Lash
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:21 am
@hightor,
So, it had to be Russia? Couldn’t have been any of the other players?
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Lash
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:28 am
@hightor,
So, there’s no such thing as a false flag operation? No one who claims that a military operation is false flag can ever be taken seriously?

You’re claiming false flag operations have never happened?

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That's one of the more charitable explanations. It amazes me that anyone would post such a story — with a straight face — and expect to be taken seriously. Ever.


What do you mean by “such a story”?
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:42 am
Let me go out on a limb and predict a news headline as the 2038 presidential election approaches...

Republicans Demand the FBI, CIA and All Other Governmental Agencies Release Any and All Information Related to Hillary Clinton.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:44 am
Ah yes, an opinion piece which cites the American Enterprise Institute--no bias there, no . . .

Rolling Eyes
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:46 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Not if it's Israel. They're always tight-lipped about these things.
Israel had attacked the T-4 base near Homs twice in the past and admitted that only months later.

Syrian state TV reported casualties in what it called an U.S. missile attack on the major air base in central Syria, the Kremlin said it wasn't informed ahead of time of any Israelien upcoming airstrike on a Syrian air base earlier today.

The Lebanese army said in a statement today that four Israeli planes violated Lebanon's airspace, flying from the Mediterranean Sea over the coastal town of Jounieh and then heading east, toward the city of Baalbek near the Syrian border. The statement said the warplanes stayed in Lebanese airspace for about 10 minutes, starting at 3:25 A.M. before leaving it.
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:52 am
This image in the WP caught my eye because of the aircraft illustrated. But it is not a photograph, it's an artist's conception.

As our artistic rendering technology becomes increasingly sophisticated, propagandists will use this technology. That is a certainty.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/YUZaHWYa7QYQePWe9YJq2tqkaq4=/1484x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/TVNN5WR3QMI6RF2PVLGZO2MM54.jpg
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 06:54 am
@Setanta,
Yeah. And if one wishes to choose a progressive voice, who better to turn to than Marc A. Thiessen.
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 07:18 am
After a rigorous and no-nonsense investigation by the WH of Pruitt's unprecedented expenditures and ethically challenged operations at head of the EPA, Trump surprises everyone with his conclusions.
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And yet, the president has apparently completed his “very close” analysis and determined that Pruitt is in the clear. Here’s Trump’s tweet from the weekend:

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“While Security spending was somewhat more than his predecessor, Scott Pruitt has received death threats because of his bold actions at EPA. Record clean Air & Water while saving USA Billions of Dollars. Rent was about market rate, travel expenses OK. Scott is doing a great job!”

Benen

As I've been saying for weeks, Pruitt is the person least likely to be removed from his post regardless of what ethical failings he is guilty of or how much destruction he causes to the EPA. We simply cannot properly understand the modern GOP unless we recognize that it has been taken over by an amalgam of the religious right, John Birch ideologues and the business interests represented by the Koch network.
blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 07:27 am
Here's a dilly
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On weekend trips home for Sooners football games, when taxpayers weren’t paying for his ticket, the EPA official said Pruitt flew coach.
AP

This really does lots to support the "Everyone wants to kill me when I'm in an airplane!" rationale.
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blatham
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 07:38 am
Haven't had a chance to listen/read this yet but how could a podcast with Ezra Klein and Sam Harris not be incredibly worthwhile.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/9/17210248/sam-harris-ezra-klein-charles-murray-transcript-podcast
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farmerman
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 08:50 am
@blatham,
Pruitt's like Trump (not really that bright) 6 of his rule changes, so poorly thought out, have been overturned in court already, and 2 others are being decided as qe talk
coldjoint
 
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Mon 9 Apr, 2018 09:14 am
@farmerman,
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Trump (not really that bright)


Smarter than the Clinton machine. And much smarter than the useful idiots repeating the same garbage day after day.
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