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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 02:51 am
Assaults Increased When Cities Hosted Trump Rallies, Study Finds
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A study published on Friday appears to confirm what news reports suggested long ago: President Trump’s campaign rallies were associated with a rise in violence when they came to town.

A city that hosted a Trump rally saw an average of 2.3 more assaults reported on the day of the event than on a typical day, according to the study, led by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and published in the journal Epidemiology. The authors found no corresponding link between assaults and rallies for Mr. Trump’s Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton.

“It appeared to be a phenomenon that’s unique to Donald Trump’s rally,” said Christopher Morrison, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Pennsylvania and the lead author of the study.
It may come as little surprise that the rallies were associated with increased violence, as the often volcanic clashes between Mr. Trump’s supporters and opponents were widely covered at the time.

In March 2016 alone, a Trump rally in Chicago was called off after violent clashes broke out, while an anti-Trump protester was punched at a rally in North Carolina and another was punched and kicked at a rally in Arizona. The following month, several Trump supporters were assaulted at a California rally.

Mr. Trump himself repeatedly seemed to endorse attacks on his detractors, too.

“Maybe he should have been roughed up,” he said of one protester who was reportedly punched and kicked in November 2015. “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell ya,” he said of another a few months later. He even offered to pay legal fees for his supporters if they became too aggressive.

The supporters also often aimed offensive and violent rhetoric at Mrs. Clinton, suggesting she be killed.

To determine whether those words and news reports corresponded with an actual shift in violence, the researchers compiled a list of 31 Trump rallies and 38 Clinton rallies held in cities with assault data available online.

They compared the number of assaults reported on the day of the rally to the number reported on the corresponding day of the week, for each of the four weeks before and after the event.

On a typical day, cities saw an average of 19.4 assaults, they found. On the day of a Trump rally, that number rose to 21.7.

The pattern held even when the researchers controlled for the influence of factors like population size, data sources and the day used for the comparison.

The researchers offered two explanations for the increase in assaults. Either they were the result of clashes at or near the rallies, or they occurred elsewhere in the cities after the aggressive mood on display by Mr. Trump, his supporters or his opponents had spread through “social contagion.”

There were some limitations to the findings, the authors noted. They may not apply to the rallies or cities that weren’t studied, and a greater police presence during the rallies may have made it more likely for an assault to be reported.


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revelette1
 
  6  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 06:10 am
@ehBeth,
Quote:
and McCabe is gone

2 days before he was scheduled to retire



It is such a disgrace I have no words.
hightor
 
  7  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 07:34 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
It is such a disgrace I have no words.

It's so petty and vindictive. And it's disgusting that this sort of groundless character assassination based around "alternative facts", which people would normally recognize for what it is, can be so effectively employed by Trump and his legions of sycophants and enablers in his administration, in congress, and in the press.
hightor
 
  5  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 08:15 am
How Trump Consultants Exploited the Facebook Data of Millions

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LONDON — As the upstart voter-profiling company Cambridge Analytica prepared to wade into the 2014 American midterm elections, it had a problem.

The firm had secured a $15 million investment from Robert Mercer, the wealthy Republican donor, and wooed his political adviser, Stephen K. Bannon, with the promise of tools that could identify the personalities of American voters and influence their behavior. But it did not have the data to make its new products work.

So the firm harvested private information from the Facebook profiles of more than 50 million users without their permission, according to former Cambridge employees, associates and documents, making it one of the largest data leaks in the social network’s history. The breach allowed the company to exploit the private social media activity of a huge swath of the American electorate, developing techniques that underpinned its work on President Trump’s campaign in 2016.

NYT
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 08:47 am
@hightor,
From the report in The Guardian

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https://i.imgur.com/AVyWdTPl.jpg
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian? You can do better than that.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -4  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:38 am
@blatham,
Actually, I do. I'll take your left ear.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:39 am
@coldjoint,
blatham used to use the image of a stalwart Mountie has his avatar. So yes, he is quite manly.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:39 am
@coldjoint,
Post the better graph, please, I'm not good enough to find it.
coldjoint
 
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Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:52 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Assaults Increased When Cities Hosted Trump Rallies, Study Finds

This study had its results before it started. It is simply anti-Trump propaganda. The real truth is paid agitators started the violence.
Quote:
Democratic heads roll after video shows agitators planted at Trump rallies

Guess you forgot about this.
Quote:
Robert Creamer, founder of Democracy Advocates and the husband of Rep. Janice D. Schakowsky, Illinois Democrat, stepped down from the campaign Tuesday, a day after Scott Foval was fired from his post as national field director of Americans United for Change.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/18/undercover-video-shows-democrats-saying-they-hire-/
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sat 17 Mar, 2018 10:54 am
@hightor,
Of course, this study doesn't prove anything and the notion of the Trump being a "social contagion" is particularly specious.

Still, it isn't surprising.

Do you think that if the Trump rallies weren't being met by violent, obscenity hurling protesters the participants would have been walking the streets looking for people to assault?

I don't condone violence as a reaction to anything other than violence or threats of violence, but I can understand why someone might feel the urge to slug someone who spit on them or called their wife obscene names.



coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:08 am
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Hidden Camera Video Shows Democrats Sent Agitators To Trump Rallies

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/17/hidden-camera-video-shows-democrats-sent-agitators-to-trump-rallies/
Finn dAbuzz
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:11 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Quote:
and McCabe is gone

2 days before he was scheduled to retire



It is such a disgrace I have no words.



McCabe's abuse of his authority was a disgrace and he deserved to be fired and lose his pension.

The action was taken based on the findings of the Inspector General and the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and recommended by the Department’s senior career official (meaning he or she is not a political appointee)

It's interesting how folks who have insisted that it is an unpardonable sin and an attack against our democracy to claim that the FBI, the CIA and other intel agencies were used as political tools by the Obama Administration, now imply that they have been corrupted by Trump.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:15 am
@hightor,
So McCabe is an innocent scapegoat while the Attorney General, Inspector General, the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and the Department’s senior career official are all sycophantic enablers?
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:17 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
It is such a disgrace I have no words.

That will be the day.

And what is disgraceful? There were more than enough reasons to fire him, and it should have been done quite a while ago. I think Trump has the patience to let these traitors catch themselves. So far, so good.
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hightor
 
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Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:19 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Do you think that if the Trump rallies weren't being met by violent, obscenity hurling protesters the participants would have been walking the streets looking for people to assault?

Do you think that if Trump's campaign hadn't had all those contacts with Russians anyone would have demanded an investigation by the FBI?

I think your question is more pertinent if we try to find out why violent, obscenity hurling protestors were attracted to the Trump rallies in the first place. Do you think that without a bunch angry people screaming "Build the Wall!" and "Lock Her Up!" those protestors would have been walking the streets looking for people to assault?

Mob violence can be a social contagion, stimulated in this case by Trump supporters and Trump opponents. There was a level of hostility and anger not often seen in presidential campaigns. Even the people supporting and protesting Wallace's campaign managed to conduct themselves more appropriately. So I think it's okay to look at Trump's campaign — and at Trump himself — when we look for a fuller explanation.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:22 am
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Firing Of Andrew McCabe Said To Be “One of Many” To Follow As POTUS Trump Continues To Drain The Swamp

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Further speculation is also pointing to formal charges being brought against McCabe and others for the roles they played in attempting to illegally influence the 2016 Election outcome – influence that is alleged to directly include both Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama.


Cool. Cool

http://dcwhispers.com/alert-firing-of-andrew-mccabe-said-to-be-one-of-many-to-follow-as-potus-trump-continues-to-drain-the-swamp/#6OVdEdjMcLyjlu1I.99
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hightor
 
  5  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:29 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
McCabe's abuse of his authority was a disgrace and he deserved to be fired and lose his pension.

Except I don't agree that he "abused his authority".
Quote:
So McCabe is an innocent scapegoat while the Attorney General, Inspector General, the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and the Department’s senior career official are all sycophantic enablers?

The guy had a 21 year career in the FBI without incident and then gets canned for a "lack of candor"? I don't know what pressure the administration put on the Inspector General and the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility so I can't comment, but "I-Don't-Recall" Jeff Sessions was probably worried about saving his job.
glitterbag
 
  5  
Sat 17 Mar, 2018 11:31 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Do you think that if the Trump rallies weren't being met by violent, obscenity hurling protesters the participants would have been walking the streets looking for people to assault?


Do you think that if Trump's campaign hadn't had all those contacts with Russians anyone would have demanded an investigation by the FBI?

I think your question is more pertinent if we try to find out why violent, obscenity hurling protestors were attracted to the Trump rallies in the first place. Do you think that without a bunch angry people screaming "Build the Wall!" and "Lock Her Up!" those protestors would have been walking the streets looking for people to assault?

Mob violence can be a social contagion, stimulated in this case by Trump supporters and Trump opponents. There was a level of hostility and anger not often seen in presidential campaigns. Even the people supporting and protesting Wallace's campaign managed to conduct themselves more appropriately. So I think it's okay to look at Trump's campaign — and at Trump himself — when we look for a fuller explanation.



Doesn't it remind you of that old excuse violent people use after they have beaten their spouses or children "Look what you made me do". or "you made me do that, what did you expect me to do?" or "if you did what I told you to do I wouldn't have to hit you".
 

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