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@glitterbag,

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Is it just me, or does coldjoint sound truly dull?

Guess he's going for the minimalist effect. He's keeping his answers short, which is a plus.

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@Blickers,

That's a good thing.

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@Blickers,

Well, there you go! Proof positive that Warren didn't make the whole thing up.

Actually, I never believed she created the tale of her Cherokee heritage out of whole cloth. I see no reason not to believe her when she says her Mee Maw told her they were all Indians.

What I don't believe is that it was a terribly important aspect of her family's life and so significant a part of her identity that it inspired her and her sister to steal recipes from a French chef and publish them in a book ridiculously titled "Pow Wow Chow."

What I also don't believe is that her listing herself as a "minority" in a directory of lawyers used by Law School faculty recruiters, was simply her way of connecting with people like her.

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@Blickers,

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Putin's little Manchurian candidate

You mean the one who just canned Rex Tillerson who, according to The New Yorker was Putin's choice for Secretary of State, and just slapped new sanctions on Russia for meddling in the 2016 Election? That Manchurian Candidate?

I've actually never seen the film, but I know Laurence Harvey played the brainwashed sleeper assassin. Did, from the very beginning of the film, Harvey act in ways that amounted to a middle finger pointed in the direction of the Chinese?

Believe it or not, a whole lot of people are capable of processing information on a great number of different stories; all at the same time. Amazing isn't it? Some people can actually talk or write about Cherokee Princess Elizabeth Warren and then five minutes or so later do the same thing about the Manchurian Candidate in the White House!

There are some other folks though who are so singular of mind that once they decide one of the many stories is the most important, they are incapable of discussing or thinking about anything else.That's pretty amazing too.

You remind me of my daughter when she was about 5 years of age. One evening we were sitting at the dinner table and my wife and I were telling our three kids stories about them when they were toddlers and infants. After a couple of charming and funny tales about my daughter, we moved on to one of our sons. My daughter threw a fit and insisted that we tell more stories about her. "Keep talking about me!" she both pled and demanded and when we didn't she broke into tears and eventually was sobbing. It sort of put a damper on Fun Family Night and we ultimately had to send her to her room.

Not sure what triggered so emotional an outburst (her mother blamed it on her coming down with a cold) but she never repeated it and soon grew out of such childish displays. So there's hope for you yet Blickers! (You feeling OK? Maybe you should take your temperature. Some chicken soup or a stiff drink will fix you right up!)

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@glitterbag,

It's you.

(BTW - that whetstone crack was a real knee-slapper!)

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Vanessa Trump, Don Jr's wife is suing him for divorce. They have 5 children.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Putin's little Manchurian candidate

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You mean the one who just canned Rex Tillerson who, according to The New Yorker was Putin's choice for Secretary of State, and just slapped new sanctions on Russia for meddling in the 2016 Election? That Manchurian Candidate?

Yes, I mean the one whose "sanctions" apply only to the 13 Russians Mueller named, while he refuses to implement the more far-reaching sanctions Congress has legally passed. That Manchurian Candidate. The one whose cabinet appointments all seem to regard telling the Senate or FBI the truth about meeting Russians as being akin to a gentleman telling the truth about meeting a lady under compromising circumstances. Honor demands silence, you see.

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Not sure what triggered so emotional an outburst (her mother blamed it on her coming down with a cold) but she never repeated it and soon grew out of such childish displays. So there's hope for you yet Blickers!

I'm so sorry that you got upset at my returning to the Russia issue in a thread entitled "monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events". I suppose that you and Coldjoint's conversation about Elizabeth's Warrens' ancestry was much more relevant to the topic. Rolling Eyes

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I’m well aware that Clinton didn’t lose because she was a woman, but I take issue with your statement that blacks have had far more animosity directed at them than women have.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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For one that [Romney] was personally responsible for the death from cancer of the wife of an employee of a company his venture capitalist group acquired. That's a good start.

I have no recollection of this case but factcheck.or laid out the details. I agree with you - there was an implication made in this ad that wasn't adequately supported by the facts. and that's a moral no-no. This ad fit within a larger theme that took Romney to task for the unquestionable negative effects of Bain's predatory business practices on the lives of many, a proper direction of criticism.

More importantly, the magnitude of this Priorities USA ad doesn't come remotely near the years (decades, actually) of attacks on Clinton where she and Bill were deemed guilty of murder, cocaine distribution, fiscal corruption etc.

Nor is it, by any measure, equivalent to the Swift Boat episode (TV ads, book, continual appearance on Fox and elsewhere by those involved with this campaign, etc). As Wikipedia has it:

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The group's tactics are considered an example of a successful political smear campaign[12][13][14][15][16][17][18] for its widely publicized[19] and later discredited claims.[20][21]

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Just to expand a bit:
Women were legally considered property
Women got the vote after blacks
As with blacks, laws have been enacted to control the segment of population
Marital rape was not considered illegal until quite recently in some states—it is still argued
Equal pay is still at issue
Reproductive rights are still at issue
As with blacks, women are under-represented in politics and CEO positions

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@thack45,

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I don't disagree, but I do think Limbaugh's question is a rhetorical one, designed to lead his listeners to the conclusion that Hawking was some sort of crackpot

What Limbaugh is doing with such a statement or theme is playing to his evangelical audience. The "no one saw it" theme is a commonplace in religious right rhetortic. It isn't just Darwin that these folks (the nutcase evengelicals, which is a lot of them) feel the need to refute but a whole range of scientific findings that provide knowledge and evidence that undercuts key evangelical notions/claims. Eg all the idiocies that young-earth creationists come up with such as, "God put those "dinosaur" bones in the ground so that we would find them and thus we would be given another soul-growing test of our faith."

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It may be that nothing pre-existed the Big Bang, but I don't understand how that can be and I think anyone who says they can is full of it.

This is very poorly thought out. That Finn or anyone else or even great masses of humans find an idea counter-intuitive means little or nothing at all. For example, there are features/consequences of relativity theory which are highly counter-intuitive. For example; if you are driving your car at 10 mph and another car passes at 20 mph, relative to you that second car will only be travelling at 10 mph. However, if you are in a spaceship travelling at 10 mph less that the speed of light and another spaceship passes you at the speed of light, from your relative perspective that second craft is NOT going 10 mph - it is moving past you at the speed of light. Another example - how intuitive is it that time itself is variable, that if you take off on a substantial journey into space and return, that you will have aged X years while folks back home and their kids and their kids kids are long dead?

The failing here is to imagine that our primate brains are dependable and adequate tools to comprehend the universe correctly. We don't expect chickens or orangutans to have the capacity to do it.

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@Blickers,

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Before these tests all that most people had to go on was what their family told them, and we now know that was frequently wrong. Did it ever occur to you that is what happened with Elizabeth Warren-she honestly believed what her family told her?

That's a very good point. My mother always suggested that her family had Jewish ancestry. We all bought the thesis. There seems no reason not to. My sister just had her DNA reviewed and it ain't the case.

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How much longer is the right going to drag the Native American thing out about her?

That's the easy one to answer - as long as it appears useful in cranking up negative notions about her character.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

What you (or David French) believe about Warren's motives or the motives of Harvard in hiring her don't constitute evidence. Please don't waste my time.

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@Lash,

I'm not disagreeing with your list or with its importance. But I agree with Finn that "blacks have had far more animosity directed at them than women have". Women were (and are) indeed subjugated by the male power structure but not with the accompanying prejudice, fear, and hatred which characterized the attitude toward blacks by racists in the Jim Crow era — and today. Women were not regularly lynched, for instance. They got to drink out of the same water fountains as their menfolk. I think a white man who expressed the opinion that he "hated women" would be seen as someone with a psychological problem whereas it was pretty acceptable (and expected in some quarters) for whites to express their hatred for n******s and "Injuns".

The watchword here is "animosity". The oppression of women was — and is — a more subtle form of patriarchal discrimination, and it's an attitude which can be found in many men of any and all races and ethnicities.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Limbaugh may be many things, but an evangelical fundamentalist Christian is not one of them.

Of course he's not. He's a sociopath and a conman making mega millions from stupid people who suck up his brand of rabble rousing and from his actual allies for whom he serves as a very handy mouthpiece.

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See, in my humble opinion, folks, if you believe in God, then intellectually you cannot believe in manmade global warming … You must be either agnostic or atheistic to believe that man controls something that
he can’t create.

Aside from how stupid that claim is, the point to keep your attention on is, again, his kow-tow to religious idiots of the modern right and how he is working in the service of the petroleum/extraction industries. His attacks and false claims on the Chevy Volt underline who and what power structures Limbaugh is effectively working for.

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Winner of this morning's "Now There's a Big ******* Surprise" award

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Trophy hunters are packed on a new U.S. advisory board created to help rewrite federal rules for importing the heads and hides of African elephants, lions and rhinos. That includes some members with direct ties to President Donald Trump and his family.

A review by The Associated Press of the backgrounds and social media posts of the 16 board members appointed by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke indicates they will agree with his position that the best way to protect critically threatened or endangered species is by encouraging American hunters to shoot some of them.

Trophy hunters are packed on a new U.S. advisory board created to help rewrite federal rules for importing the heads and hides of African elephants, lions and rhinos. That includes some members with direct ties to President Donald Trump and his family.

A review by The Associated Press of the backgrounds and social media posts of the 16 board members appointed by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke indicates they will agree with his position that the best way to protect critically threatened or endangered species is by encouraging American hunters to shoot some of them.

TPM

Hard to imagine how this crowd could become more venal.

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@blatham,

Many people in the south, like me, have pictures of great-grandmothers with ‘deeply tanned’ skin, iconic high cheekbones, short stature and raven hair, and were told of their Native American status; however, knowing NA scholarships were designed for NAs who suffered discrimination or were raised on a reservation—who suffered hardship—very few would claim one of those scholarships.

I saw that box on the college application. I paused over it. I thought better of it. She should have too.

There’s a character issue in taking those scholarships.

But, to balance, that’s one of very few disagreements I have with Warren.

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@hightor,

I hear you, but women were publicly beaten, raped, and murdered, almost always with impunity.

The ‘rule of thumb’ refers to a law that the rod a man used to beat his wife shouldn’t be thicker than his thumb.

Death by childbirth killed legions of women.

I don’t dismiss your opinion, but it’s important to me to remind about women’s history.

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Swamp-draining notes from all over

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Pruitt huddled with coal exec who raised over $1M for Trump
EPA has fought requests for Pruitt’s schedules, releasing them only when forced by lawsuits by environmental or government transparency organizations.

Politico

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

That is NOT infrastructure failure, it is new construction that doesn't go into operation until next year.

in·fra·struc·ture
ˈinfrəˌstrək(t)SHər/Submit
noun
the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g., buildings, roads, and power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.

It WAS infrastructure.

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