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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 11:56 am
@maporsche,
last night ABC (before the polls closed) ABC still thought it was likely going Republican

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/analysis-math-democrats-quest-win-pennsylvania-special-election/story?id=53639614


(given the photo they used, my guess is that they're not fans of Biden or Lamb)
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 11:58 am
@blatham,
maybe it'll work
maybe not

Saccone/PACs outspent Lamb+ about 3:1 in Pennsylvania's special
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 12:43 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I think we should all encourage [Ryan] in this belief.
Of course, he knows better. But they've jammed themselves into a corner and it's not at all clear what strategies they might implement between now and November to ameliorate their well-deserved dilemma. Lots of money, voter suppression, lying are all a given but that isn't going to do the trick (as it didn't in Penn last night).

It will be interesting to watch GOP candidates run away from Trump (thanks but no thanks on your offer to campaign here, Mr President").
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 12:45 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
This is a bit tricky. Certainly in Ontario, the Greens are fiscally closer to Conservatives than to the Liberals or NDP.
Are they? Amazing. Do you see this as a function of extremism?
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 12:52 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
maybe it'll work
maybe not
It definitely will work if we mean it will influence GOP voters and probably some independents. But it almost certainly won't be anywhere near enough (your example of last night is definitely to the point). It really does look like an enormous wave coming and I don't see how that changes outside of some huge catastrophe that somehow makes Trump look good. But given Trump, what the hell could that be?
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 12:59 pm
@blatham,
They've always been socially liberal, fiscally conservative. I used to occasionally vote Green til I took a serious look at their economic platform about 20 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_Ontario

Quote:
The Green Party of Ontario shares the same Ten Key Values as other North American Greens. Although the party has generally been perceived as being left-wing, the party combines ecologically and socially reformist policies with strong respect for the free market and entrepreneurship. Many key members are recruits from the former centre-right Progressive Conservative Party of Canada, including Elio Di Iorio, who was a protégé of former Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark, and Peter Elgie, son of former Ontario Progressive Conservative cabinet minister Robert Elgie.[21] The party's newly chosen Chief Financial Officer, David Scrymgeour, was the National Director of the former Progressive Conservative Party of Canada.

Under Frank de Jong, the GPO has emphasized policies typical of both left- and right-wing parties. In the words of de Jong, the GPO tends to favour policies that are "socially progressive, fiscally conservative, and environmentally aware".[22] As such, policies in areas such as education, health, environmental protection and social equity are notably progressive, while policies on income & property taxation, market regulation, and industrial subsidization are more conservative in nature.


they verge on left-libertarian
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:00 pm
From Greg Sargent
Quote:
Democrats can do better among blue-collar whites. In his speech to supporters last night, Lamb stressed the importance of organized labor to the future of the Democratic Party, spoke up for the value of unions and work, and emphasized the importance of maintaining bedrock programs such as Medicare and Social Security. He had also campaigned against the GOP tax cuts as a giveaway to the rich — and, importantly, blasted the tax cuts for creating deficits that would require deep cuts to entitlements, harming the middle class.
WP

I think this is exactly right. And such a range of traditional Dem policies if bolstered by further appeals to women and youth and minorities ought to get the job done.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:15 pm
From Frank Rich
Quote:
Trump’s top appointees, exemplified by the Cabinet, are in their jobs for only three reasons: to demolish the federal government; to spend taxpayers’ money on luxury travel and office refurbishing; and to toady to the president in public and obey his policy whims in private. Tillerson is out because he succeeded in only the first of these by decimating the State Department. His successor, Mike Pompeo, will not make Tillerson’s mistake. He’s the very model of a heel-clicking Vichy Republican.

The latest scuttlebutt has Rick Perry, the Energy secretary who took the job not knowing what the Department of Energy does, moving to Veterans’ Affairs. As others inevitably follow Tillerson out the door — Jeff Sessions, H.R. McMaster, et al. — we’ll increasingly see successors like Pompeo, picked from within the current ranks of administration flunkies.
NYMag

That is spot on, particularly the first graph. My only disagreement is Rich's apparent analysis that Pompeo and others like him are Trumpists. I do not see it that way at all. Pompeo, like many others, arrived via the Tea Party "movement" which was a Koch brothers' vehicle. Pompeo's crowd will drop Trump in a New York minute if the need prevails. But they will not ever try to run away from the influence and control of the Kochs.
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:18 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Tea Party "movement" which was a Koch brothers' vehicle.

The TEA Party was grass roots. You need to stop lying.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:24 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
From Greg Sargent
Quote:
Democrats can do better among blue-collar whites. In his speech to supporters last night, Lamb stressed the importance of organized labor to the future of the Democratic Party, spoke up for the value of unions and work, and emphasized the importance of maintaining bedrock programs such as Medicare and Social Security. He had also campaigned against the GOP tax cuts as a giveaway to the rich — and, importantly, blasted the tax cuts for creating deficits that would require deep cuts to entitlements, harming the middle class.
WP

I think this is exactly right. And such a range of traditional Dem policies if bolstered by further appeals to women and youth and minorities ought to get the job done.

So what you're saying is that the Democratic Party needs more people who think just like me -- people who support a social safety net, but at the same time don't hate the Constitution and civil rights.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:30 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

And I can't even begin to count up the number of brave Roman's killed by limey criminals throwing bags of Earl Grey over top.


Funny you should say that, (unless you already know,) but Earl Grey's statue, (he of the tea,) is in Newcastle, not far from Wallsend, (where the wall ends.)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Grey%27s_Momument_and_Momument_station_-_Newcastle_upon_Tyne_-_England_-_130804.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/Charles_Grey_-_2nd_Earl_Grey_-_atop_the_Grey_Momument_-_Newcastle_upon_Tyne_-_England_-_140804.jpg/170px-Charles_Grey_-_2nd_Earl_Grey_-_atop_the_Grey_Momument_-_Newcastle_upon_Tyne_-_England_-_140804.jpg
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:35 pm
@izzythepush,
I did not know. But jesus, that is some pedestal our Duke is planted on.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:37 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
I did not know. But jesus, that is some pedestal our Duke is planted on.


Have you two tried private messaging for your conversations that have 0 to do with the topic?
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hightor
 
  4  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:50 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The TEA Party was grass roots.

Here, read up:
Quote:
As luck—or careful, strategic planning—would have it, just such a highly leveraged network with these very pillars was in place as the Tea Party movement appeared to emerge from nowhere at the start of President Obama’s first term in office. That Tea Party movement looked an awful lot like the efforts the Kochs’ CSE had led in the Clinton and Bush years—just with more money, broad state-based causes, better-trained leaders, and a willingness to integrate and coordinate more efficiently with each other.

According to publicly available IRS records, the five essential pillars of just such a Tea Party movement network were all funded and in place by that spring of 2009—the Sam Adams Alliance to direct grassroots efforts; the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity to direct propaganda efforts in state capitals across the United States; the State Policy Network to coordinate funding and free-market policies at state-based think tanks; hundreds of grants from the Koch foundations to American universities that were linked in through SPN; and, of course, CSE’s successor, Americans for Prosperity, built to coordinate the effort nationally.

Time

More:

Quote:
A few weeks after the Lincoln Center gala, the advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation—an organization that David Koch started, in 2004—held a different kind of gathering. Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials “have a socialist vision for this country.”

Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama’s senior adviser, said, “What they don’t say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens’ movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires.”

Covert Operations

Quote:
You need to stop lying.

You really need to do a better job informing yourself about the facts.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:56 pm
https://able2know.org/topic/450532-2#post-6613282
@edgarblythe,
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It gets hard to participate in forums when the most innocent of posts becomes fodder for controversy.
That is EXACTLY what Hitler said, you goddamn bastard. - blatham
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edgarblythe
 
  1  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:59 pm
blatham
0REPLYQUOTEREPORT Wed 14 Mar, 2018 01:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
It gets hard to participate in forums when the most innocent of posts becomes fodder for controversy.
That is EXACTLY what Hitler said, you goddamn bastard. Signature
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 02:02 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
You really need to do a better job informing yourself about the facts.
Laughing Laughing Laughing
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edgarblythe
 
  0  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 02:23 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
maybe it'll work
maybe not
It definitely will work if we mean it will influence GOP voters and probably some independents. But it almost certainly won't be anywhere near enough (your example of last night is definitely to the point). It really does look like an enormous wave coming and I don't see how that changes outside of some huge catastrophe that somehow makes Trump look good. But given Trump, what the hell could that be?


You could renominate Hillary Clinton.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 04:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
Did you assume I was serious?
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 14 Mar, 2018 05:05 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
You could renominate Hillary Clinton.
I probably can't, given the 8 drug convictions and that incident where I was drunk and attacked a cardboard cutout image of Celine Dion with an ax. Note: I had the ax, not Celine.

But if I could nominate her, I wouldn't. Not for the reasons you might have but for my own practical notion of how things stand.
 

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