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Olivier5
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 11:55 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Well what was the point of all the fuss about the difference between rifle wounds and handgun wounds?

The point is that not all guns and ammos have the same lethality, and that the ones most likely to kill a large number of people in a short time should be more tightly regulated that those less likely to kill many people in a short time.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 12:33 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
"Civilized" Europeans...

Oh don't worry about us, we're not coming anymore.

Quote:
America is missing out on a tourism boom
By Alanna Petroff January 16, 2018: 12:39 PM ET

The United States is missing out on a major tourism boom.

The number of trips made by global travelers surged 7% last year, according to new projections from the UN World Tourism Organization (UNWTO). Meanwhile, trips to the U.S. fell by about 4%.

The decline, which follows a 2% drop in 2016, allowed Spain to overtake the U.S. as the second-most visited country in the world. Spain welcomed an estimated 82 million visitors last year, up 9% from 2016. The number of trips to the U.S. was roughly 73 million.

France remains the world's favorite tourist destination, with traveler numbers surging about 8% to roughly 89 million.

Industry experts said that two key factors were behind the decline in U.S. tourism: The strong dollar and controversial policies on immigration and travel introduced by President Trump's administration.

"The deterioration in demand from key markets such as the U.K. and Mexico can be attributable to the less desirable image of the U.S. under Trump following controversial decisions such as the travel ban," said tourism analysts at Euromonitor.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/16/news/economy/travel-tourism-us-world/index.html
Olivier5
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 12:42 pm
@oralloy,
It's a multivariate analysis, i suppose, in which any characteristic or feature more likely to kill many children (or adults) in a short amount of time would be either ruled off limit to civilians (ie considered weapons of war), or severely regulated in the case of less lethal stuff.
blatham
 
  4  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 12:44 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Nothing too fantastical. What you wrote makes clear that you have adopted a particular right wing theory of the last election, namely that the election was lost by Dems because the riff raff were tired of being looked down on by we snooty educated folks. It would then seem to follow that the prior two elections were lost by Republicans because we educated types were just a little sick and tired of uneducated, unthinking, incurious folks. That's all.
Lash
 
  1  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 12:53 pm
@hightor,
I think her relationship with Porter is involved.
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McGentrix
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 12:56 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

oralloy wrote:
The proper answer is that people who hunt with rifles are indeed good hunters, despite the devastating wounds that rifles cause.


nope

hunters who can't do better than a messy wound are not coming to hunting camp


Hunters who do not use the proper gun for the game they are hunting are not good hunters. One does not use a .30-06 for squirrel hunting. That's because there would be no squirrel left. That's because of the damage the bullet does.

You get that, right?

Same reason you don't hunt grizzly bears with am AR-15. All you are really going to do is piss it off. .223 doesn't really have enough stopping power vs a grizzly bear.

All guns make messy wounds. That is how you kill your target. That is why you aim for heart/lungs/liver and not the tender loin when shooting a deer.
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ehBeth
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:02 pm
@blatham,
MEC has taken a step in the right direction. They still bear watching.
McGentrix
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:03 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


Um, ehBeth specifically referred to hunting animals for their meat. Do people who hunt with an AR15 commonly devour the varmints they shoot? (I'm going by the chart you've provided.)

The devastation caused by the AR15 is maximal at ranges under fifty yards because of the high velocity of the projectile. That's what Dr. Sher found so disturbing compared to the handgun injuries she was more familiar with.


Most people don't eat varmints. They just control populations. That is why the AR-15 is a good varmint gun. It is accurate and capable of downing a varmint easy enough. For deer hunting, you'd want an AR-10 chambered for a 7.62 x 51.

I use a .30-30 and/or a 12 gauge shotgun for deer hunting. I wouldn't even think of taking my AR for deer hunting.

The devastation a lead tipped .30-30 can do is incredible. A 12 gauge even more so. That is why those are preferred for deer hunting.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:14 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:


How's that going to work, Finn? Can you provide a realistic scenario as to how this might happen? I know you poor people suffered mightily under the Obama dictatorship — but you still had enough patience to let the electoral process take place.


https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/assault-weapons-preserve-the-purpose-of-the-second-amendment/

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The argument is not that a collection of random citizens should be able to go head-to-head with the Third Cavalry Regiment. That’s absurd. Nor is the argument that citizens should possess weapons “in common use” in the military. Rather, for the Second Amendment to remain a meaningful check on state power, citizens must be able to possess the kinds and categories of weapons that can at least deter state overreach, that would make true authoritarianism too costly to attempt.


You might think this isn't a sound opinion, but I happen to think French is quite sane and he is not alone in making this argument.

I don't what point you are trying to make about "you poor people" suffering under Obama. While I do believe Obama and his administration were guilty of numerous acts of abuse of power (The facts of which will eventually come out once the shine is off his apple among historians) the suggestion that rational conservative actually thought he was a dictator or was trying to be one is ludicrous.

Of course, this doesn't mean we won't have one someday, a lot of people have expressed fear in this regard about Trump

hightor wrote:

As for your logic: Opioids are in the news today because pharmaceutical companies distributed them in an irresponsible manner, actually advertising them, flooding the market with samples, and hastening the addictions of those prone to abusing drugs. Opioids, however, are available by prescription only. Maybe we should change the laws so that firearms are only available by prescription as well.


If people weren't fatally abusing them, they wouldn't be in the news. You do realize, don't you, that the "opioid crisis" includes our old friend Heroin? Just last night I saw a woman whose son died of an overdose of heroin, interviewed on TV. It's a sad and tragic tale, but her son had never been prescribed opiods. The government has failed miserably in the so-called "War on Drugs," and so it's time for every politician to join hands and find scapegoats in doctors and drug companies. In any case, opiods are very definately not only available by prescription.

As you know there are already gun-control measures in place, but neither they nor any proposed keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:19 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

This is frustrating. I've already posted a source that shows that handguns are used more often in mass shootings than are rifles. In fact, handguns are used more often by a ratio of 5 to 1.


Of course, it is, because you are discussing this subject with someone who admits she knows very little about firearms. What she knows about "assault rifles" has been fed to her by highly biased sources who prefer not to deal in facts.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:24 pm
@blatham,
If your secretary tells a caller, who you do not wish to meet with, that you are "out of the office," do you consider that appropriately named "white lie" a reeking transgression?

What color is Adam Schiff's lie that he knew all along that he was pranked by Russian comedians who offered him nude photos of Trump?
tsarstepan
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:24 pm
https://i.imgur.com/QomwX4E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nIdlUNy.jpg
Ben Carson... in the news again as a bloody Trumpian hypocrite.
Ben Carson cancels order for $31,000 dining set amid ethics controversy
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:25 pm
@blatham,
Your concern for America is truly touching.
ehBeth
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:26 pm
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/arming-teachers-is-not-a-good-option/

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The FBI analyzed 160 cases of active shooters over the period from 2000-2013, and not one was stopped by a concealed carry permit holder who was not active duty military, a security guard, or a police officer. 21 were stopped by unarmed civilians.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:33 pm
@oralloy,
Boo!

Now go change your pants.
camlok
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Why can't you simply say that you agree with Bernie when he makes some sense, Finn, instead of trying to squirm out on something you agree with too?
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