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Olivier5
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:45 pm
@oralloy,
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The only such characteristic is magazine size.

That, and the bullet kinetic energy, and the rythm of fire, I suppose. Perhaps a few other things, i wouldn't know the latest stuff and all the details.
glitterbag
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:46 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Boo!

Now go change your pants.


Made me laugh, I needed that.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 01:58 pm
@hightor,
You're being disingenuous.

Your original response to Glenn was

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I'm more concerned about the nature of the threats to your safety. Are you so obnoxious that people want to do you bodily harm? Do people regularly attempt to break into your home? Is yours the only wealthy household in a poor, blighted neighborhood? Do you play the accordion?

I'm reminded of the members here who suddenly began to spout the current NRA dodge, "We need to be nicer to frightened, hateful people so they won't shoot us." Maybe you should try a charm offensive.


Are you now suggesting that this represented an honest inquiry as to why Glenn wants a gun and without a considerable element of mockery?


izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:01 pm
@glitterbag,
I guess not as much as somebody needed to empty his bowels.

And no word of thanks, what a bloody ingrate.
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:10 pm
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President Donald Trump has said he will sign off on steep tariffs on steel and aluminium imports next week, hitting producers like Canada and China.

He said steel products face a 25% tariff, with 10% on aluminium goods.

Mr Trump tweeted that the US was suffering from "unfair trade". But the move has hit US markets, with the Dow Jones index down more than 2%.

The US imports four times more steel than it exports, and is reliant on steel from more than 100 nations.

The value of shares in American steel manufacturers jumped significantly after the announcement.

The news is likely to provoke an angry reaction from China, and analysts have expressed fears of the prospect of new trade wars.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43249614
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izzythepush
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:13 pm
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President Putin has unveiled Russia's new stockpile of "invincible" nuclear weapons, with a video graphic appearing to show missiles raining on Florida.

But why would the Kremlin want to target the Sunshine State in the event of an atomic war?

Florida is home to tourist attractions such as Walt Disney World and the Everglades National Park.

But it is also has high-profile targets including President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

A spokesman for the US Defence Department said the Pentagon was "not surprised" by Mr Putin's rhetoric.

"The American people should rest assured that we are fully prepared," said Dana White from the Pentagon, downplaying the Russian threat.

Mr Putin's video shows a brief animation of multiple nuclear warheads heading for the Panhandle.

There are several nuclear bunkers at President Trump's Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago, where he has spent a number of weekends since taking office.

The cereal heiress who built Mar-a-Lago in 1927 had three of them installed during the Korean War.

There is another bomb shelter at Mr Trump's golf course a few miles away in West Palm Beach (under the second hole, according to Esquire).

Another bunker was created for President John F Kennedy not far from Mar-a-Lago.

It is located on Peanut Island, a 10-minute journey from a Palm Beach house where Kennedy often stayed.

Yet no bunker, however brilliantly assembled, will survive a direct hit, say experts.

Another military target could be US Central Command, which is headquartered at MacDill Air Base in Tampa.

Known as Centcom, it is responsible for the operational theatre spanning parts of the Middle East, Central Asia and North Africa.

But analysts say that Florida is unlikely to be a prime target in the event of nuclear armageddon.

Matthew Kroenig, in his book The Logic of American Nuclear Strategy, writes that Russian's priority would be to blunt US retaliatory capability.

Moscow would probably target US nuclear silos at Malstrom Air Force Base in Montana, Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, the home of US Strategic Command at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska, and Warren Air Force Base, which straddles the borders of Wyoming, Colorado and Nebraska, he says.

The Kremlin would also aim to wipe out America's two strategic submarine bases in Bangor, Washington, and King's Bay, Georgia, along with about 70 other US military bases around the country, Kroenig writes.

And it would fire two missiles at each of the 131 most populous US cities "to destroy industrial capability and inflict massive destruction", with a bullseye on the command and control centre of Washington DC.

Mark Fitzpatrick, from the International Institute for Strategic Studies, told the BBC: "This isn't a warfighting strategy, to have a video of attacking Florida.

"This is a message. The symbolism is in the video itself. It's a rhetorical flourish."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43248794
camlok
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:16 pm
@oralloy,
You're one of those cowering Americans who US governments can expect, at light speed, to be scared into thinking you are being attacked.

9/11 is a prime example of that. Y'all believed an impossible story because y'all are so primed by Hollywood crap movies to believe these nonsensical things.

Y'all continue to pretend to believe the totally impossible USGOCT because you have been so duped for so long that and you aren't adult like enough to admit you were/are wrong.
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camlok
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:20 pm
@izzythepush,
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The cereal heiress who built Mar-a-Lago in 1927 had three of them installed during the Korean War.


See how stupidly paranoid Americans are. What did that idiot expect to eat for the next 40 years underground, her cereal?

And then there are the idiots that read and promote this propagandist crap without even bothering to think.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:32 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

If you read back to what I was responding to, you’ll understand my statement.




I did, several times, and I still don't really understand your statement.

The question was

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Why don't you credit the NRA for the policies that they've agreed to?


Why you choose not to is up to you, but it really doesn't make much sense that a refusal to do so (assuming that refusal does exist...you've essentially admitted to it though) is based on the fact that it has not been elected to a position of authority.

I'm thinking your point may be that they have never been in a position to "agree to" anything, but, if so, you may be getting caught up in terminology.

Regardless of what you think of the NRA or any other member organization that lobby elected representatives (and there are at least as many on the left as the right) they have influence and their supporting this or that legislation can make a difference if the politicians believe that the organization is representing the wishes of a sufficient number of voters.

By backing a certain bill, these organizations are not permitting them to be enacted. As you suggested, they don't have that authority and I very much doubt any of them think they do. Groups like the NRA, Planned Parenthood, and the ACLU are typically credited, by their detractors, with far more power to manipulate the process of government than is actually the case. There actually was a 10-year ban on the sale of "assault weapons" that was opposed by the NRA. It was later repealed, but its existence in history proves that the NRA isn't all-powerful.

I am a detractor of Planned Parenthood, however, if they were to support limiting legal abortions to the first 20 weeks of pregnancy I would give them "credit." It wouldn't amount to me "thanking" them for "agreeing" to allow such legislation to pass, but it would be an acknowledgment that they are capable of seeing things in a way I find to be proper.

This is only of importance to the extent that your reaction may be representative of a regard for the NRA that is so adamantly negative and demonizing that you fail to see where there are areas of mutual agreement.

That Lash may loathe the NRA, or Finn may despise Planned Parenthood is ultimately not of much importance unless we are not outliers in terms of demonizing opponents and they are just two examples out of hundreds of millions of a national divide that is getting worse and worse and is preventing rational and permanent solutions grave problems.

hightor
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 02:36 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Are you now suggesting that this represented an honest inquiry as to why Glenn wants a gun and without a considerable element of mockery?

I didn't think the two were mutually exclusive. I've noticed that Glennn has a sense of humor and can handle a ribbing every now and then.
hightor
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 03:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
French wrote:
Rather, for the Second Amendment to remain a meaningful check on state power, citizens must be able to possess the kinds and categories of weapons that can at least deter state overreach, that would make true authoritarianism too costly to attempt.

I'm not trying to be obtuse here — I just don't see how it would work. I doubt there would be a coup or an intervention by a hostile country. I could see an incremental accumulation of wealth and power taking place over a long time as economic conditions keep deteriorating for the underclass. And maybe these people, chronically un- or underemployed, grow restless and turn to crime, especially attacking bastions of privilege. The rest of the population might begin to call for a crackdown of some sort and martial law might be declared in some regions and restrictions placed on travel, identification documents required on demand, etc. The government might become repressive but only to satisfy the demands of people afraid for their own safety. I don't see how firearms in private hands would deter sort this sort of thing from happening. This is just hypothetical musing not a fixed belief.
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You do realize, don't you, that the "opioid crisis" includes our old friend Heroin?

I'm very aware of that. What's happened in my community is that men in the fishing industry get injured (it's dangerous work and can take a toll on one's body). Guys with chronic pain are prescribed opiate-based pain relievers. (In spite of the fact that opiates are not recommended for chronic conditions.) After a while the pills aren't effective, guys up their dose. Doctor won't write a generous enough prescription for guys who have now developed an addiction. The private market steps in, and now there's a heroin highway running from NYC and Boston north to the Maine coast. The addicts are able to function for a while but their health deteriorates. After a while they are no longer reliable and lose their job.

I know a man in the construction industry, formerly addicted, who cleaned himself up six years ago but recently fell off the wagon and became unreliable. His boss suspected him of using and contacted a lawyer to see if he could be fired. "Not unless you catch him or he admits it," was the response. Last week, confronted by his boss, he admitted his addiction. He was fired. He's got three kids at home. This story is being repeated all over the country.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 04:06 pm
@oralloy,
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An elephant gun that holds only a few rounds fires bullets with massive kinetic energy. It would not be used to massacre lots of people though because it holds only a few rounds.

Evidently. That's a multi-variate analysis for you: you took in consideration two variables AND their interaction.

It's not about any single variable, it's about their potential human lethality per second, in combining all relevant ammo and gun variables.

You can buy elephant guns in France, evidently it's a small market... mostly online but there might be a shop or two in Paris for big game hunting.
Glennn
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 05:50 pm
@ehBeth,
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that's why you want a gun that can do a good, clean kill

If you had read the contents of the link I provided you, you would know that the AR-15 is convertible in that it can be set up to accept several kinds of ammo.
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def not accepted in our hunting circles

Perhaps your circle is old fashioned.
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Glennn
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 06:19 pm
@hightor,
So, are you in favor of a ban on handguns?
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Lash
 
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Thu 1 Mar, 2018 06:48 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Just FYI, I don’t loathe the NRA or Planned Parenthood. I loathe their power in my country.

I think both of them should be cut down to size.

I have an NRA membership. I’ll keep it.
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