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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:39 am
Has #45 walked this back yet?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-take-guns-mental-health-florida-school-shooting-due-process-a8233751.html

I thought it would be gone with this morning's tweets but not yet ...


Quote:
“Or, Mike, take the firearms first, and then go to court,” Mr Trump responded before adding his comments about "taking the guns early".
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:40 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The proper answer is that people who hunt with rifles are indeed good hunters, despite the devastating wounds that rifles cause.


nope

hunters who can't do better than a messy wound are not coming to hunting camp
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:42 am
Shooter at Dalton, Georgia, was taking SSRIs for depression. Thankful he barricaded the door and aimed away from people.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I get a gun, when I want it and when it's according to the laws.

Laws that require you to convince your government that you "need" that particular gun before you are allowed to have it.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
Switzerland has similar laws regarding guns to any other EU_country.

Unless they've changed in the last few years (which I doubt), people in Switzerland can buy a semi-auto rifle or semi-auto shotgun just by passing a background check. A bolt-action rifle or double barrel shotgun doesn't even require the background check.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:45 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Laws that require you to convince your government that you "need" that particular gun before you are allowed to have it.
No.


Walter Hinteler wrote:
Switzerland has similar laws regarding guns to any other EU_country.

oralloy wrote:
Unless they've changed in the last few years (which I doubt), people in Switzerland can buy a semi-auto rifle or semi-auto shotgun just by passing a background check. A bolt-action rifle or double barrel shotgun doesn't even require the background check.
No. It's from 1999 with minor changes in 2007 (to get it according EU-norms)
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BillW
 
  3  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:52 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

YOU will no doubt be very happy the day you bite one of these high velocity bullets, leaving a 3-inch wide tunnel of blood soup through your abdomen...

Abdominal wounds are the worst. I also see there is no mention of bones being hit. When bones are hit, it shatters into multiple pieces of bone that pierces the body in many multiple places. This increases multifold the bleeding and possibility of other organ trauma.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 09:53 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

If court follows swiftly


that's funny in its own special way
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:06 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Last I heard you were only allowed to have guns that your government decided that you needed.
Perhaps your German isn't good enough to have got the meaning of it. (Laws aren't made here by the federal/state's governments but by the state's/federal parliaments.)


Walter Hinteler wrote:
No. It's from 1999 with minor changes in 2007 (to get it according EU-norms)

oralloy wrote:
So in Switzerland people are still able to buy semi-auto rifles and semi-auto shotguns simply by passing a background check, with bolt-action rifles and double-barrel shotguns not even requiring the background check.
Well, it all according the Agreement between the European Union, the European Community and the Swiss Confederation on the Swiss Confederation's association with the implementation, application and development of the Schengen acquis = (nearly) exactly the same as in other EU-countries
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revelette1
 
  4  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:07 am
To change the subject, I wonder exactly why Hope Hicks resigned? Not her stated reason, but the real reason. You think Trump made her after she admitted she told white lies for him? Or do you think some of the answers she did give about the transition team and Russia could end up landing her in legal trouble? She comes across as a little flaky to me, but anyway, she did answer some questions but not any question about her role in the WH.

Quote:
Hicks' testimony spanned more than nine hours on Tuesday, and she addressed a range of questions about the 2016 campaign and some queries about the transition -- after prodding from lawmakers -- though she would not discuss her time in the White House.

Hicks told the committee she saw little value in the correspondence between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks that she was alerted to during the 2016 campaign, according to two sources.

During the campaign, Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, forwarded Hicks an email from Trump Jr. about the contact with WikiLeaks. Asked about the email on Tuesday, she told the committee she did not view it as significant, the sources said.

Hicks was also pressed about the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer, which she said she did not learn about until June 2017 even though she was in Trump Tower that day, CNN reported Tuesday.

Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, criticized Hicks for refusing to answer questions about the White House, noting specifically she would not address her role in drafting Trump Jr.'s misleading initial statement that the Trump Tower meeting was about adoptions.

Schiff said he tried to get the committee to issue a subpoena to Hicks "on the spot," but the Republicans would not do so.

Republicans argued that Hicks was different than former White House chief strategist Steven Bannon, who was hit with a subpoena in the middle of his interview, because she did answer questions on some topics involving the transition -- after the House lawmakers pointed out she had answered transition questions in her Senate interview.

One line of questioning Hicks discussed about the transition Tuesday was conversations between then-incoming national security adviser Michael Flynn and then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak.

Hicks told the committee that concerns their conversations during the transition could run afoul of the Logan Act -- an obscure 218-year-old law about private citizens negotiating with foreign governments -- never registered with her, according to one source.


CNN
izzythepush
 
  5  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I don't know why you bother. Oralloy and reality aren't even on nodding terms. He doesn't know what a serf is, can't define it, and he has no idea what freedom is. Freedom has nothing to do with guns, it's about free and fair elections, the ability to change your representatives and not allow powerful corporate interests like arms manufacturers to dictate public policy.

After Dunblane there was a toughening up of gun laws because we wanted it. We the people, not a bunch of lords. Even now it's possible to get a licence for a rifle, but it's not down to some lord, it's down to the police so mentally disturbed people and criminals can't legally get hold of one. Not only do we not want frightened little men walking round with guns we don't want the police to routinely have them either. Only specialists are allowed to carry guns, and with the exception of places like the Houses of Parliament you only ever see armed police if there's an incident.

It suits the likes of Oralloy to live in a fantasy world because the truth is too hard to bear, Far from being free, they're in the thrall of corporate interests, like arms manufacturers, big pharmaceutical companies and food giants. Which is why their children live in fear of deranged idiots shooting up schools, why they pay more for medicine than any other developed nation, why despite paying more public money per capita for healthcare they still don't have UHC, and why they consume over 200 carcinogenic food additives banned over here.

Oralloy can't even think for himself, he says and thinks what the puppetmaster tells him to. That's the extend of his 'freedom,' a frightened man, slave to his own fears to the extent he dare not step foot outside his own door without a gun.

What a sorry existence.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:15 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
He doesn't know what a serf is, can't define it, ...
Well, he makes up his own definitions regularly.
Without explained it.
Like here.
maporsche
 
  5  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:22 am
@oralloy,
No, a pistol grip just gives you better control when you decide to hip fire into a crowd of students.

Without the ability to better stabilize the weapon, you're more likely to miss.
hightor
 
  5  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:25 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
When you started your crusade against the devastating impact of rifle wounds.

What crusade? I remarked on an article describing the wounds inflicted by the AR15. I haven't started a "crusade". I understand exaggeration as a rhetorical device but that's just silly.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:28 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
a frightened man, slave to his own fears


it's what Lapierre / NRA want

http://prospect.org/article/nra-finally-on-defensive

Quote:
As Wayne LaPierre once said, "If I can borrow from Mr. Churchill [sic], we have nothing to fear but the absence of fear."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd73D44L6cM&feature=youtu.be

Lash
 
  0  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:32 am
I think Flake is considering a 2020 run at Trump. He was grinning like a Cheshire Cat this morning on CBS, when asked.
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camlok
 
  -1  
Thu 1 Mar, 2018 10:32 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I don't know why you bother.


Walter was being pedantic. As you also are being pedantic.

Quote:
Oralloy and reality aren't even on nodding terms.


In many respects you are right but you share that great disdain for reality, izzy, as do the vast majority of people here. You believe a total fiction, the USGOCT, when there is no evidence for it. Try to find some. You won't.

Arab hijackers could not have melted WTC structural steel and yet there was lots of melted/vaporized WTC structural steel. That you all still believe shows that you folks do not have a very good grasp of reality. Hence you ought not to be pointing fingers.

You "believe" in the USGOCT but you have the gall to write, "It suits the likes of Oralloy to live in a fantasy world because the truth is too hard to bear".

Quote:
He doesn't know what a serf is, can't define it,


You know that was simply exaggeration for emphasis. This is the type of dishonesty that you are famous for.

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