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@jcboy,

Not even any of his Righty loyal followers believe this piece of tRump bs, especially his buddies.....

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@Olivier5,

Olivier5 wrote:

There are many groups working for the greater good, the advancement of mankind and stuff, science, education, health for all and antiracism and the like. They are forces for good to the extent that they do morally good stuff.

Such as civil rights organizations like the NRA.

Olivier5 wrote:

There are also groups that foster their own (or their masters') interests at the expense of the greater good. They are forces of evil to the extent that they do morally evil **** to the general public, for their own or some narrow group's interest.

Freedom and civil rights are very much in the interest of society.

Olivier5 wrote:

In my opinion, the NRA squarely belongs to the second category.

No. Civil rights are what make America such a wonderful place.

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

For sure, the worst would be events the armed teachers preceive to be treats and shoot students or parents up by mistake......my god, so many more!

Teachers should be able to figure out the difference between someone who is going around murdering people and someone who is not.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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You are pressing a nonsensical comparison.

Is a school child's life more valuable than an adult politician's?

His point is that our emotional response to victimized/murdered children is more acute than if the subject was an adult. We, most of us, have a much more robust urge to protect children than adults and we are far less forgiving of such crimes committed against children.

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@blatham,

Blatham, you forget, this is a RightWing politician. If they had of been LeftWing, then Finn would be for the politician to have died. Of course, he would still have cared less that 17 children died anyways unless the killer was a leftie........

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@oralloy,

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Teachers should be able to figure out the difference between someone who is going around murdering people and someone who is not.

Why should teachers be so good at that when USians are so blind and dumb to the tens of millions war criminal US governments have slaughtered since WWII?

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@oralloy,

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Teachers should be able to figure out the difference between someone who is going around murdering people and someone who is not.

Didn't you get the email?

The NRA said, "Under no circumstances should anyone use this ridiculous meme [above] for any reason whatsoever. People will think we are totally nuts".

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@BillW,

I did note the irony of a modern conservative fellow who, in this case, seemingly has a child's life and a politician's life as equivalent. But I'm not a confrontational sort, so didn't say a peep about it.

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@blatham,

I have learned over the years how to play in the same playground as them. I have found that the best way to defeat a bully is to play their game. Let me add that it does weigh on me at times, I guess that's what they mean by "Snowflake" - which is a compliment. A pejorative is RightWing Conservative, what a diss!

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@BillW,

If you are so good at seeing thru right wing bullshit, Bill, how is it that you can't see thru the USGOCT? It is way more flimsy than even a Trump delivery.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Didn't you get the email?
The NRA said, "Under no circumstances should anyone use this ridiculous meme [above] for any reason whatsoever. People will think we are totally nuts".

Your inability to tell the difference between someone who is going around shooting people and someone who is not, does not mean that teachers will have the same difficulty.

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@oralloy,

You missed the email.

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@blatham,

Of course. It is an emotional response.

So now put your emotions to the side and tell me whose life is more valuable: a random child's or a random adult's? And why please.

Clearly, Barrack Obama is no hero of mine but he is to millions who would love to see him still in the White House. If you were someone who thought he was crucial to the nation's health and prosperity (and it would be dishonest of you to suggest there weren't a great many people who believed such a thing) how would you measure the value of his life against a random teenager's?

People make these judgments. They may not voice them, but they make them nevertheless.

Going on about how the lives of children are more important than the lives of adults is, emotionally gratifying, and perhaps, in some cases, quite legitimate, but using such an emotional expression in an important discussion that requires clear heads, is cheap.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

A comparison that YOU started.

I’ll cease harping on it.

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NRA types are always rather, what's the word I'm looking for, oralloy, can you help me out, ummmm, mmmm, oh yeah, thick!

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THAT'S A KNOPE
For Some Reason, The NRA Thought It Would Be A Good Idea To Use A 'Parks And Rec' GIF To Promote Itself

Last night's CNN town hall on gun control was a bit of a shitshow, with Stoneman Douglas mass shooting survivors confronting (and sometimes heckling) pro-gun talking points by Senator Marco Rubio and NRA spokesperson Dana Loesch. The NRA's social media manager decided that the best way to buck up Loesch after her rhetorical defeat at the hands of teens was to tweet a GIF of... Leslie Knope from "Parks and Recreation"?

http://digg.com/2018/nra-parks-and-rec

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@camlok,

What's the problem?

I have never watched this TV show (or seen the graphic that the NRA used).

I have however already expressed my hope that the NRA will flip the bird to the kooks who are throwing a fuss about it, and will keep on using the graphic in spite of the tantrums.

I continue in this hope.

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@ehBeth,

While that article had links back to the relevant polls, I found it most interesting to take a deeper look at this one (ymmv)

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521

I found some of trendlines fascinating - and the difference between younger and older respondents is truly striking.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

I don't know that anyone has made a claim that kids' lives are more important then adults' lives. There's obviously no empirical way to measure the value of anyone's life. We have only our intuitions and preferences regarding that. Is a christian's life more valuable than a muslim's life? Or vice versa? But we do understand that we have a moral obligation to protect those who are most vulnerable, including youth.

An emotional response does not make that response invalid or inappropriate. You and I have a moral/emotional response to Buchenwald, to rape, to torture, to cruelty.
What sort of policy or legal decisions could we ever make about such acts if we weren't directed by such moral intuitions/values. That you have an emotional response to the murder of 6 million Jews does not mean that the steps you take or decisions you make or the politicians you support afterwards are going to be irrational.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

There's obviously no empirical way to measure the value of anyone's life.

insurance carriers and courts think they can

I think they/we get it wrong pretty much each time I see a valuation.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

What sort of policy or legal decisions could we ever make about such acts if we weren't directed by such moral intuitions/values. That you have an emotional response to the murder of 6 million Jews does not mean that the steps you take or decisions you make or the politicians you support afterwards are going to be irrational.

...and, then there's the Holocaust deniers - tRumpians, deplorables and totally disgusting individuals.....

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